frelwa
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Andy Westlake's update doesn't change much. What do you think of it?
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dpreview X100 review update.
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drakkar
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I´don´t remember exactly the past report review, but in the last review, he don´t fix the "Cons" entirely, like the point about "Several key features buried deep in the menus (Auto ISO, ND filter, flash exposure compensation)". He wrote in the page 19 "the ND filter... you can also assign it to the 'Fn button'" same action for ISO setting, etc. Press for 2 secs aprox and you can access directly to the functions.
And the final statement "The X100 is an exasperating conundrum of a camera, combining excellent image quality, solid build and a superb viewfinder with sluggish operation and eccentric, buggy firmware. If you're prepared to put up with its numerous oddities and faults then it will repay you with superb results. " remains the same... , its ridiculous... just below the sentence "But overall Fujifilm has to be applauded for listening to feedback from both its users and reviewers, and addressing their concerns. It has made the X100 a better camera."
If the X100 ITS a BETTER camera for the reviewer, why remains the same final conclusion text, and other old statements???
Its very confusing for a possible new buyer!
And the final statement "The X100 is an exasperating conundrum of a camera, combining excellent image quality, solid build and a superb viewfinder with sluggish operation and eccentric, buggy firmware. If you're prepared to put up with its numerous oddities and faults then it will repay you with superb results. " remains the same... , its ridiculous... just below the sentence "But overall Fujifilm has to be applauded for listening to feedback from both its users and reviewers, and addressing their concerns. It has made the X100 a better camera."
If the X100 ITS a BETTER camera for the reviewer, why remains the same final conclusion text, and other old statements???
Its very confusing for a possible new buyer!
Howard A. Lewis
Leading Member
I suspect the lack of real attention to the updates is a result of haste.
"It" meaning the camera, the camera update, the review, the review update? Or perhaps all of the above?
I came away with some conclusions:
Only a couple of things were fixed, including "remembering" a couple of key elements across modes.
However, those "couple" of things were high on the list of things to fixed.
Most other complaints were not attended to.
Though a major source of exasperation was fixed, the camera still provides about the same user experience as before.
I'm a little surprised at the lack of discussion here in the forums over the updated review.
I take that as indicating users and potential buyers have accepted the idiosyncrasies of the camera, and the update as not changed anyone's fundamental impression of the camera.
For the record, it's a camera that I don't own, but am quite sure I'd thoroughly enjoy.
That's been my case. It's a great camera, but at times the camera gets in the way of picture taking (annoyances).
Overall, the positives definitely outweigh the negatives, but fixing those annoyances would make this a fantastic camera.
The firmware has improved the usage somewhat, but I think most of us have learned to work around the kinks even before the update.
barjohn
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They really haven't tackled much of the hard stuff like AF speed and accuracy yet.
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If I were a camera manufacturer, and the reviewers would completely overhaul their reviews to reflect firmware changes, I would be tempted to make frequent releases of firmware updates just to get the extra review coverage, rather than get it right the first time.
There is only so much attention a reviewer can give to firmware updates. The original release of this camera was Fuji's best shot. Some text from the original review is just going to stick.
I haven't heard any signs of Fuji working on yet another firmware update. Possibly it's bad marketing if it keeps people on the fence, but they don't seem to have any trouble selling whatever is in stock.
There is only so much attention a reviewer can give to firmware updates. The original release of this camera was Fuji's best shot. Some text from the original review is just going to stick.
I haven't heard any signs of Fuji working on yet another firmware update. Possibly it's bad marketing if it keeps people on the fence, but they don't seem to have any trouble selling whatever is in stock.
frelwa
Senior Member
I meant the review update, but I'll gladly take credit for the other "its."
I agree.
Me too. I hoped this thread would get discussion started, but not that many people have responded. Thanks for being one of the few.
I'm pretty sure you would. For one thing, there's a lot less of it to lug around than your Nikon kit. And you already seem to understand the X100 quite well and know what to expect.
John356
Well-known member
I agree with the previous messages - an improved very very nice camera that still needs some things fixed. If we are not careful and don’t put pressure on Fuji via this site they could just walk away from it at 1.10. My view is that we should go for the relatively doable things like (personal preference!) add auto ISO to the list of ISO, use RAW button as an extra Fn and steer away from the difficult or not doable such as focus issues. Would be good if Andy Westlake / dpreview presented to Fuji the remaining bug list and obtain a commitment from them to address these in next six months.
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Well said. Fujifilm was lucky to get another look at all. The verdict all around remains the same as before: the particularly nice combined with the needlessly frustrating.
Jeff Charles
Veteran Member
I doubt that this forum is driving Fuji's firmware decisions.
No need to tiptoe. I want them to prioritize the focus and shutter lag issues. Quicker, more sure AF, functional MF, and reduced shutter lag in bright light will make the X100 a more capable camera. Those other fixes will just make it more convenient . Not that I don't want to see those too.
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Mr Gadget
Senior Member
I have been looking for a small light weight take along camera - y'all know the drill here, almost everyone that has posted on this forum has said the same thing!
I have been waiting for Nikon to come out with something like a digital version of my beloved manual F3HP and Velvia. I was somewhat hoping that the new EVIL cam would use a sensor similar to the one that is in the D7000. After doing a bunch of research I came to the conclusion that it wasnt going to happen, so I started looking at the alternatives and came down to the X100 and the Panasonic (I refuse to refer to it as a Panny sounds like Nanny) G3 w/ the 20mm f1.7 lens.
The DP review of the X100 and preview of the G3 told the tale. The X100 at 6400 is in the same league as the D7000 and blows the G3's 4/3 sensor away (even though I must say it is vastly improved over the G2). The fact that the OOC jpeg image quality is so good that I can shoot jpgs and not worry with extensive post processing means a major simplification of my life.
I look at how I use my Nikon cameras and bounced that off of the "CONS" and decided that they really had little affect on how I shoot. I am sure that I will have issues and find problems but after 40 odd years of using cameras and taking photos I am sure that I will find work arounds.
Long story short after a lot of looking I was able to find only one X100 in stock at a reasonable price in the USA and I bought it last Friday. I hope to have it later this week.
I would like to thank DP Review for posting and updating a very complete and well documented review and for all the folks that have posted their experiences and images taken with this camera. Y'all have been invaluable to an old man who lives in the middle of no where!
Thanks again!
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I have been waiting for Nikon to come out with something like a digital version of my beloved manual F3HP and Velvia. I was somewhat hoping that the new EVIL cam would use a sensor similar to the one that is in the D7000. After doing a bunch of research I came to the conclusion that it wasnt going to happen, so I started looking at the alternatives and came down to the X100 and the Panasonic (I refuse to refer to it as a Panny sounds like Nanny) G3 w/ the 20mm f1.7 lens.
The DP review of the X100 and preview of the G3 told the tale. The X100 at 6400 is in the same league as the D7000 and blows the G3's 4/3 sensor away (even though I must say it is vastly improved over the G2). The fact that the OOC jpeg image quality is so good that I can shoot jpgs and not worry with extensive post processing means a major simplification of my life.
I look at how I use my Nikon cameras and bounced that off of the "CONS" and decided that they really had little affect on how I shoot. I am sure that I will have issues and find problems but after 40 odd years of using cameras and taking photos I am sure that I will find work arounds.
Long story short after a lot of looking I was able to find only one X100 in stock at a reasonable price in the USA and I bought it last Friday. I hope to have it later this week.
I would like to thank DP Review for posting and updating a very complete and well documented review and for all the folks that have posted their experiences and images taken with this camera. Y'all have been invaluable to an old man who lives in the middle of no where!
Thanks again!
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Show Low, Arizona
frelwa
Senior Member
The middle of nowhere? When George Takei comes from there? X100 on Auto ISO, Mr. Sulu!
Mr Gadget
Senior Member
Yep! He goes to the same gym that my wife and I go to, looks to be in great shape for being 74!
The closest camera stores are 3 hrs to Phoenix, 3.5 hrs from Tucson, 2 Hrs from Flagstaff and 4.5 hrs from Albuquerque. Pretty much in the middle of nowhere but we have a major UPS hub located in town!
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