The Pentax Q coulda/shoulda been a Ricoh....

Two small players combining to become a bigger business, surely a good thing?
Not that much bigger, really.

In Japan, Pentax and Ricoh is no. 8 and 9 respectively amongst manufacturers. Combined, Ricoh-Pentax is no. 8.

Pentax image division is about 3x bigger than Ricoh's.

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Let's check sizes

Q = 98x57x31mm 200g battery & card - probably no lens
CX5 = 102x59x29mm 205g battery & card
GRDIII = 109x59x26mm 208g battery & card

Depends how you treat the lens mounted but the Q is surely a small package for an interchangeable lens camera

Now let's just take a cold shower and try to get over the price ...

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Tom Caldwell
 
I'm thankful that we hopefully not will need to see a joke like this Pentax Q from Ricoh. Pentax better get into full frame with their dslrs, which should have been done years ago instead of fooling around. But if they want to walk into their grave together with Oly then i say - Go ahead!
Five days is a long time in the camera business... so that's a definite yes we will be seeing the Pentax Q from Ricoh. ;)

I'm wondering if we will now see a Q mount 1/2.3" module on the GXR alongside the P10, and a K mount APS-C module as well even if the flange distance is 45mm or somesuch.

So many questions now. Will the CX and Optio ranges merge together into the Ricoh Optio. Then the Ricoh Pentax Q is a separate system.... I'm wondering if Ricoh has the ability to adapt the Q mount to fit a 1/1/7" sensor = the GRD Q. I don't know the mechanics of that though if it's possible.
 
as it uses a crappy pinhead CMOS sensor, it's closer related to the CX series than the GX or GR .............

Maybe Ricoh can use the mount for one based on a proper sensor like the 10Mp CCD and make an interchangeable lens GRD ??????????

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i am pretty sure the shutter for the Q is in the lens. it is a leaf shutter and this is why the flash synch is so high. people in Pentaxland wondered about mounting the small 40 or 70mm pancake lenses to it for super-mega telephoto. but, they are sol.
Must wonder whether this forum can stand a merge with the Pentax crew - I am sure they are all decent people. (grin).
We're ok, we don't bite :). Interesting days ahead! Let us combine and slay the troll army that will inevitably descend upon us :)
Glad to see folks over here looking - most activity for a while.

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Tom Caldwell
 
"Pentax better get into full frame with their dslrs, which should have been done years ago instead of fooling around. " Good thought. Minolta/Sony, Canon, Nikon can grab millions of entry-level SLRs. Pentax fate should be the DSLR equivalent of Ricoh compact enthusiasts. Leica of digitals. On the other hand, Panasonic, Sony and Olympus, even Samsung are streaming far ahead with quality, compact digital SLRs, the mirrorless cameras. Although I like compact slrs as the name. Where are Canon and Nikon?? In any event, here's to keeping the Pentax camera name alive.
 
Good points. These retro concepts don't always make sense. Yes, at a time when film and processing were expensive, I guess half-frame 35mm made some sense, and the lenses and cameras could be smaller, less expensive? But Pentax is deliberately comparing the Q to the 110 SLR-none of these sub or alt-35mm formats were really that significant (110, disc, 126) in my opinion. Look how small Sony and Samsung are getting 2x factor SLRs with some serious add-on capabilities.
 
I'm very pleased with the IQ from the sensor in my CX4, noticeably better than my CX1, so while it isn't a D3, it's a fine small sensor.

Looking again at a picture of the Q, it certainly reminds me of my GX100 (now sold on).

I don't see much difficulty in re-badging the Q as the GX300, and slotting it in the range under the GXR, which is a very different technology proposition, particularly if a future module uses the latest, excellent 16mp Sony 'D7000' sensor.

Even the price point could work (remember the price isn't finalised as the launch price was pre-Ricoh takeover)

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Part of the satisfaction of the Q will come from people who pay big money for it and are SURE it gets better photos than a $400 camera with a larger sensor (i.e. LX5) or even better than brother in law's DSLR, because it cost more than said DSLR.

Often, user satisfaction is based on 'how much I paid tells me how great it must be'.
I find that quite cynical and a little depressing! I'm sure some people just enjoy photography!
Yes, some people do just enjoy photography as you say. But notice how the MP race and the x-mega-zoom-range race heats up and really it's all about numbers, not how well the camera takes photos. The numbers on stickers affixed to the display cameras impress those who don't know how to do anything but compare numbers on stickers.

The same applies to the price. Someone who doesn't know the difference between cameras may assume that 'you get what you pay for' but as we all know, $800 will buy a lot of different kinds of cameras which are decidedly not equal.

In 1962 you could have bought a Nikon Photomic-F in black with an F1.4 Nikkor lens for about $435. But - some people paid $490 for this instead:



As a camera collector I've picked up one of these turkeys for a few bucks and looked inside it. There's a huge capacitor to power the electronic flash and motorized film wind. It can take 10 photos and then (per the owner's manual) must be charged for 18 hours. The film was available only from the camera manufacturer so you can imagine the range available. Settings as I recall consisted of 'indoor / outdoor' and 'near / far', selected by enormous plastic buttons that make a pathetic "clack" when pressed. The camera itself is enormous - it must be 10 inches wide at least - and most of the inside is just empty space.

More than one purchaser must have proudly got it out to show to his brother in law (the family camera geek with a Nikon F and f1.4) and said 'what do you think of this?'. Imagine learning that you had just bought a piece of junk for more than a truly excellent camera would cost. But, people PAID the equivalent of way over a months' pay for one of these things because they were sure that it was worth the price and would take wonderful photos. Why else?

You may think I'm being cynical, but actually I am a realist, and some people equate MP or zoom X or even price with 'how good is the camera'. My in-laws do that all the time, trust me. "Is that a new camera?" "Yes, we got it at Christmas." "How many megapixels is it?" "14!" "Wow, that is quite some camera!"

I am NOT equating the Pentax Q with the Fotron and yes, the Fotron is an extreme example. My whole point is that those who do not know better assume that X dollars gets you X level of camera, and it's not always so.

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Pentax is deliberately comparing the Q to the 110 SLR-none of these sub or alt-35mm formats were really that significant (110, disc, 126) in my opinion.
Back around 1980 give or take, I bought one of these... sold it a few years later... and then to have one in my display case I recently bought another on Ebay. The Minolta 110 SLR. I took my first one on a trip to Washington DC and it took some very good photos for me but I can't say I tried making large prints of them. With a negative the size of my pinky nail I doubt they'd have stood up as well as a larger format.



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Panasonic, Sony and Olympus, even Samsung are streaming far ahead with quality, compact digital SLRs, the mirrorless cameras. Although I like compact slrs as the name.
There's no 'r' in the EVIL cameras; there is no reflex involved, and that is a big distinction.

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thanks !

i received an AE-1 in... '81 ?

when i was looking at that, i remember an interchangeable lens 110. i have talked with people at camera stores and they told me i must be thinking of the Pentax 110 camera. no, i knew that was not true because i remembered the body being... horizontal as in your picture. shaped more like the Instamatic.

for some reason i remember the lens barrel extending above the body. but, in your picture it doesn't... maybe the curve of the lens barrel extends below the body? also, i think i remember a pebbled surface rather than the smooth surface in your picture. don't really remember that big knob on front, either... but, it must have been a Minolta ! anyway, i thought about that camera; it looked neat... but, i was steered away and ended up with the AE-1.

it occurs to me maybe the camera i saw 30 yrs ago was not an SLR 110... maybe it was a interchangeable lens 110 with a rangefinder... do you know of anything like this? this would explain my remembrance that the lens barrel extends above the body...

i searched for "interchangeable lens 110", but all i see are links to information about that new Pentax Q...

all this really drives me bats and i wish i could find the camera i remember. if you have clues to offer, i would really appreciate it...
Pentax is deliberately comparing the Q to the 110 SLR-none of these sub or alt-35mm formats were really that significant (110, disc, 126) in my opinion.
Back around 1980 give or take, I bought one of these... sold it a few years later... and then to have one in my display case I recently bought another on Ebay. The Minolta 110 SLR. I took my first one on a trip to Washington DC and it took some very good photos for me but I can't say I tried making large prints of them. With a negative the size of my pinky nail I doubt they'd have stood up as well as a larger format.
 
I don't see much difficulty in re-badging the Q as the GX300,
I do - the GX100 had a proper 1:1.8" CCD and not a crappy 1:2.3" CMOS - the Q should have used the G12 sensor to stand even a remote chance of having decent image quality

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as it uses a crappy pinhead CMOS sensor, it's closer related to the CX series than the GX or GR .............

Maybe Ricoh can use the mount for one based on a proper sensor like the 10Mp CCD and make an interchangeable lens GRD ??????????

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A Problem is only the pessimistic way of looking at a challenge

Wouldn't that be nice
 
it occurs to me maybe the camera i saw 30 yrs ago was not an SLR 110... maybe it was a interchangeable lens 110 with a rangefinder... do you know of anything like this? this would explain my remembrance that the lens barrel extends above the body...

i searched for "interchangeable lens 110", but all i see are links to information about that new Pentax Q...

all this really drives me bats and i wish i could find the camera i remember. if you have clues to offer, i would really appreciate it...
There was a Pentax 110 from 1978 with interchangeable lenses, and a different Minolta 110 that I don't think had interchangeable lenses but was a more expensive model than mine:



http://lowendmac.com/digigraphica/11dg/pentax-q.html



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"Cool" looking camera - I can imagine why it would be good in your display case. Take one of these things out in public and pretend it is a digital and you would have all the girls a'callin'out to you (smile)

I have a Pentax 110 and the lens kit. Even an unused (well expired) casette of 110 film.

Ah those were the days, might even have to get a Q simply for pose value and there might still be a space in the glass case. Photographs? Who needs photographs? Just change the lens of one of these things in a public place and you would have plenty of new friends ...

Very pose worthy and cheaper than a Ferrari ... (well ... just a little .... )

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Tom Caldwell
 
"Cool" looking camera - I can imagine why it would be good in your display case. Take one of these things out in public and pretend it is a digital and you would have all the girls a'callin'out to you (smile)
I wear a cowboy hat - everywhere - and I have 'em calling out to me from passing vehicles, from street corners... something about the hat gets 'em looking. A year ago one of 'em drove her Dodge Durango into a concrete light pole base in a parking lot while she was checking me out. They had to tow the Durango away; she was OK but how'd she explain to her husband how she ran dead center into a concrete light pole base?

Yeah, the Minolta 110 is a nifty looking little thing. I think my first one cost me about $175 in 1980 dollars (about $450 in today's money) but I got a nice clean example for $20 or so on Ebay.
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