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Why are D7000 owners so defensive?
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When I purchased my D80 + 18-200 VR a couple of years ago both were severely bashed in this forum. I really didn't find anything wrong with the camera or lens. On the contrary I enjoyed shooting and was quite satisfied with the results. I believe some of the D7000 problems are real and Nikon should deal with it. Of the remaining complaints, part are posted by imaginary owners and the rest by inexperienced shooters that need more time to assimilate the complexity of the D7000.
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dave1812
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RunOrDie226
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As I have a D7000, how do we know what and when to look for? So far, I have heard about AF problems, Oil problems, mirror problems, and am I missing anything?
So how can we tell if we encounter any of the D7000 problems?
The only thing I encountered is a lose Exposure Compensation button which gets slanted when pressed. i also encountered dust on my sensor.
Another weird thing i noticed is that when looking through the viewfinder, I see this tiny eyelash in the bottom left of my viewfinder. It does not appear in my pictures and I can't seem to locate it......It's not on the back of the viewfinder, not on the front of the lens....
So how can we tell if we encounter any of the D7000 problems?
The only thing I encountered is a lose Exposure Compensation button which gets slanted when pressed. i also encountered dust on my sensor.
Another weird thing i noticed is that when looking through the viewfinder, I see this tiny eyelash in the bottom left of my viewfinder. It does not appear in my pictures and I can't seem to locate it......It's not on the back of the viewfinder, not on the front of the lens....
"Why are D7000 owners so defensive?"...
Is a question, PETER. Back of the class, dunce!
Is a question, PETER. Back of the class, dunce!
Cope
Veteran Member
RunorDie, you started a thread asking this question. It is not good to post the same question in multiple threads.
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tvnewsbadge
Senior Member
Sorry but that dog doesn't hunt. If not for "entertainment purposes", why did you start such a meaningless thread based on such a stupid premise?
CaseyKittyKat
Well-known member
When it gets down to it, if the D7000 was a camera used by photojournalists (for eg.) where any problems would be noted in the article (just image a writer for Nat Geo saying "and it was here that the lion finally brought down the gazelle, but the pictures had major oil spots from my Nikon D7000 camera and were unusable") then you would see product recalls and public apologies.
Us they don't give a rat's A about..
Us they don't give a rat's A about..
..or you would not get noobs blaming their cameras for their own mistakes..
Imaginary posters.
Like Dave, Peter Pans, Pic Noob, and Caseykittykat who have a lot to say on each and every D7000 thread here.
Imagine they owned or even tried one of these cameras to form their opinions instead of spouting self indignant and self indulgent opinions which they gleaned from the forum. Then claiming to support the underdog or to be tired of fanboys beating down on genuine advice seekers.
Imagine a new D7000 user, like myself, so put off by the constant battering D7000 threads receive that we become defensive enough to inspire the OP to start this worthless thread.
Imagine this forum actually reverting to useful source of information it once was.
Imagine some of you actually listening to what Ray Soares or Steve Bingham or some forum denizens who post fantastic work... hold on a sec, that would never happen, you are TOO LOUD.
I try, I really do, to ignore this drivel but it's like driving past a train wreck in slow motion, you really should close your eyes. You should but you can't.
Like Dave, Peter Pans, Pic Noob, and Caseykittykat who have a lot to say on each and every D7000 thread here.
Imagine they owned or even tried one of these cameras to form their opinions instead of spouting self indignant and self indulgent opinions which they gleaned from the forum. Then claiming to support the underdog or to be tired of fanboys beating down on genuine advice seekers.
Imagine a new D7000 user, like myself, so put off by the constant battering D7000 threads receive that we become defensive enough to inspire the OP to start this worthless thread.
Imagine this forum actually reverting to useful source of information it once was.
Imagine some of you actually listening to what Ray Soares or Steve Bingham or some forum denizens who post fantastic work... hold on a sec, that would never happen, you are TOO LOUD.
I try, I really do, to ignore this drivel but it's like driving past a train wreck in slow motion, you really should close your eyes. You should but you can't.
sandy b
Veteran Member
The noise in here is getting deafining.
grazuncle
Veteran Member
agree...
anyone researching here will only find 'issues' with the D7000. even prospective purchasers list the 'endless' negatives..
skin tone seems to be the latest 'issue' well try and pick a more subjective topic! one thread got pounced upon vehemently. and it turns out the skin was make-up after all
I have always said this camera should be in a different forum.. not on specs but for it's feature set.. it seems there are too many who just don't want to get under the bonnet and set it up as they prefer.. not to everyone else's taste but their own... That's ok by me.. buy a 'more' consumer level cam and be done with it. Let others enjoy their purchase.
You tend not to have these conversations so much in D300 or D3 fora because they want to learn how to make things work rather than whine.
it's an uncomfortable place to learn or else help people now... sad.
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anyone researching here will only find 'issues' with the D7000. even prospective purchasers list the 'endless' negatives..
skin tone seems to be the latest 'issue' well try and pick a more subjective topic! one thread got pounced upon vehemently. and it turns out the skin was make-up after all
I have always said this camera should be in a different forum.. not on specs but for it's feature set.. it seems there are too many who just don't want to get under the bonnet and set it up as they prefer.. not to everyone else's taste but their own... That's ok by me.. buy a 'more' consumer level cam and be done with it. Let others enjoy their purchase.
You tend not to have these conversations so much in D300 or D3 fora because they want to learn how to make things work rather than whine.
it's an uncomfortable place to learn or else help people now... sad.
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There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness.' :'!':
RayTZ,
I have not been posting about the D7000 issues lately. Why do you have to pick this up again? As I said, I have a D90 and am looking at getting a D7000. Why can I comment about giving others who MAY have issues a chance to voice their opinion a problem with you?
How do I know you are not an imaginary owner who has an imaginary DSLR?
I am not only picking up on the threads that are issue. Many of the posters here have excellent photos taken with the D7000 and I am happy to see that.
So please SHUT UP. At least regarding me.
I have not been posting about the D7000 issues lately. Why do you have to pick this up again? As I said, I have a D90 and am looking at getting a D7000. Why can I comment about giving others who MAY have issues a chance to voice their opinion a problem with you?
How do I know you are not an imaginary owner who has an imaginary DSLR?
I am not only picking up on the threads that are issue. Many of the posters here have excellent photos taken with the D7000 and I am happy to see that.
So please SHUT UP. At least regarding me.
i think i am defensive by nature
but the defensivism got reasons to be
when you read 147 threads about people bashing the d7000 because it's too complicated (couldnt you inform yourself before to buy?) or you happened to get a faulty item (there is no product in this dimension-world that doesnt come out with faulty products) or people complaining because their brand new d7000 comes out with 4000 shots (is it d7k fault or the shop where you bought it), or people saying that it's just too big and heavy (welcome to the DSLR world?) or people looking for excellent video (if you did research on the net you would have wanted a lumix camera? or a video-camera?)
the most useless reasons have been posted, then, ofcourse, there is also some valid reasons (like again, for every product, from an orange screwer to a standard 'fan')
then there is also those who, to justify their lack of funds (not that i am rich) come and say 'why the d5100 is better', while their very HONEST post would be ' for me this is the finest camera I COULD GET, no they turn it like a lower model is better than an higher model -if you feel better, its' ok, but u lie to urself-
d7k is a success model, it is not a basic model, and therefore gets more bashers than a loosy model (with few sales = this model would get less complains than the highly sold one, does it make it a better model for the less complaints?)
i personally enjoy my d7k
and i havent opened ONE SINGLE THREAD about why the d7k is better than the d400 d700 d3 x s x y and z
because i know what can do what, what costs what, and that's it.
i personally dont like those advices like ' you as a beginner better start with a cheaper model, it's still great, but it's fine for starting, no sir, sorry, im not going to throw my d5100 in 2-4 years because now i am a better photographer
the camera has to last long enough and not limit myself in anyways
but for those who:
1) have a certain budget
2) have a pro cam and need a second cheap model
the 5100 (or similar ones) it's a great product.
but do not start such reverse-psycholocial self-mass(net) convincement about why you did a better buy with less money
otherwise the cheapest of compact cameras is better over the top of the pro dslrs (if it gets broken-stolen you lose only 50 dollars versus 6-8000 dollars, at the end of the day you do not have ache to your harm, people will look at you less, thieves wont punch you, every extras you wanna buy will cost a lot less, your wife won't hate you and 10 more good reasons to choose the cheapest compact camera)
enjoy your choice whatever it is
but the defensivism got reasons to be
when you read 147 threads about people bashing the d7000 because it's too complicated (couldnt you inform yourself before to buy?) or you happened to get a faulty item (there is no product in this dimension-world that doesnt come out with faulty products) or people complaining because their brand new d7000 comes out with 4000 shots (is it d7k fault or the shop where you bought it), or people saying that it's just too big and heavy (welcome to the DSLR world?) or people looking for excellent video (if you did research on the net you would have wanted a lumix camera? or a video-camera?)
the most useless reasons have been posted, then, ofcourse, there is also some valid reasons (like again, for every product, from an orange screwer to a standard 'fan')
then there is also those who, to justify their lack of funds (not that i am rich) come and say 'why the d5100 is better', while their very HONEST post would be ' for me this is the finest camera I COULD GET, no they turn it like a lower model is better than an higher model -if you feel better, its' ok, but u lie to urself-
d7k is a success model, it is not a basic model, and therefore gets more bashers than a loosy model (with few sales = this model would get less complains than the highly sold one, does it make it a better model for the less complaints?)
i personally enjoy my d7k
and i havent opened ONE SINGLE THREAD about why the d7k is better than the d400 d700 d3 x s x y and z
because i know what can do what, what costs what, and that's it.
i personally dont like those advices like ' you as a beginner better start with a cheaper model, it's still great, but it's fine for starting, no sir, sorry, im not going to throw my d5100 in 2-4 years because now i am a better photographer
the camera has to last long enough and not limit myself in anyways
but for those who:
1) have a certain budget
2) have a pro cam and need a second cheap model
the 5100 (or similar ones) it's a great product.
but do not start such reverse-psycholocial self-mass(net) convincement about why you did a better buy with less money
otherwise the cheapest of compact cameras is better over the top of the pro dslrs (if it gets broken-stolen you lose only 50 dollars versus 6-8000 dollars, at the end of the day you do not have ache to your harm, people will look at you less, thieves wont punch you, every extras you wanna buy will cost a lot less, your wife won't hate you and 10 more good reasons to choose the cheapest compact camera)
enjoy your choice whatever it is
Colweb wrote:
And Nikon changed the production process so it shouldn't be possible anymore.
This is what I was waiting to hear. All those problems being reported on the D7000 are not coming out of thin air and not just newbies not knowing what they are doing either. With that said, it would seem like Nikon would fixed the problem in later productions. Could one find out from Nikon at what serial # they changed production? At one point and time I was even thinking about a D7000, the next level up from the D5100. However, I would have to be crazy in my head to buy something with so many complaints, real or unreal..
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And Nikon changed the production process so it shouldn't be possible anymore.
This is what I was waiting to hear. All those problems being reported on the D7000 are not coming out of thin air and not just newbies not knowing what they are doing either. With that said, it would seem like Nikon would fixed the problem in later productions. Could one find out from Nikon at what serial # they changed production? At one point and time I was even thinking about a D7000, the next level up from the D5100. However, I would have to be crazy in my head to buy something with so many complaints, real or unreal..
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Escaping
Senior Member
very well put, Mau ... I enjoyed your post... Thank you for a good perspective... If the weather is not so rainy out there, I would be out there with my D-whatever and not be here to catch your post.
Thanks... now .. where is that old D50 ?
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D700 / D300 / D90 / K10D / K-m / G2 / GF1 / LX5
Thanks... now .. where is that old D50 ?
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D700 / D300 / D90 / K10D / K-m / G2 / GF1 / LX5
dave1812
Senior Member
You are so transparent. You are also quite the "camera snob" who thinks that someone who buys a lesser camera (cost-wise) did so only because they couldn't "afford" a more expensive camera. that comment qualifies as you a card-carrying camera snob. FYI, I could buy a D7000 without batting an eye, but it's too large and heavy for my taste, it doesn't have an articulating screen, and that's the way it is. Quit trying to hold yourself up as someone who's in another socio-economic circle than others around here.
BTW, I've never said (not that I think you were referring to me) that the 5100 is "better" than the 7k. IMO, it's better than the 3.1, which I returned. But the 5.1 IS better suited to my NEEDS, rather than being literally "better" than the 7k.
Dave
Dee fifty one hundred
BTW, I've never said (not that I think you were referring to me) that the 5100 is "better" than the 7k. IMO, it's better than the 3.1, which I returned. But the 5.1 IS better suited to my NEEDS, rather than being literally "better" than the 7k.
--i think i am defensive by nature
but the defensivism got reasons to be
when you read 147 threads about people bashing the d7000 because it's too complicated (couldnt you inform yourself before to buy?) or you happened to get a faulty item (there is no product in this dimension-world that doesnt come out with faulty products) or people complaining because their brand new d7000 comes out with 4000 shots (is it d7k fault or the shop where you bought it), or people saying that it's just too big and heavy (welcome to the DSLR world?) or people looking for excellent video (if you did research on the net you would have wanted a lumix camera? or a video-camera?)
the most useless reasons have been posted, then, ofcourse, there is also some valid reasons (like again, for every product, from an orange screwer to a standard 'fan')
then there is also those who, to justify their lack of funds (not that i am rich) come and say 'why the d5100 is better', while their very HONEST post would be ' for me this is the finest camera I COULD GET, no they turn it like a lower model is better than an higher model -if you feel better, its' ok, but u lie to urself-
d7k is a success model, it is not a basic model, and therefore gets more bashers than a loosy model (with few sales = this model would get less complains than the highly sold one, does it make it a better model for the less complaints?)
i personally enjoy my d7k
and i havent opened ONE SINGLE THREAD about why the d7k is better than the d400 d700 d3 x s x y and z
because i know what can do what, what costs what, and that's it.
i personally dont like those advices like ' you as a beginner better start with a cheaper model, it's still great, but it's fine for starting, no sir, sorry, im not going to throw my d5100 in 2-4 years because now i am a better photographer
the camera has to last long enough and not limit myself in anyways
but for those who:
1) have a certain budget
2) have a pro cam and need a second cheap model
the 5100 (or similar ones) it's a great product.
but do not start such reverse-psycholocial self-mass(net) convincement about why you did a better buy with less money
otherwise the cheapest of compact cameras is better over the top of the pro dslrs (if it gets broken-stolen you lose only 50 dollars versus 6-8000 dollars, at the end of the day you do not have ache to your harm, people will look at you less, thieves wont punch you, every extras you wanna buy will cost a lot less, your wife won't hate you and 10 more good reasons to choose the cheapest compact camera)
enjoy your choice whatever it is
Dave
Dee fifty one hundred
I could not care less what you believe or whether you think I have a DSLR or not.
My opinion of your contribution to this forum is based solely on your posts. You, and others, are very vocal about something which you display little intrinsic knowledge of.
And that irritates me and others who you then label as fanboys.
Others with problems may post about them with or without your consent. You are not there to "give them a chance". You are not a moderator. But you have taken a strong stand on something which does not actually concern you and leads to a flame war which has turned this forum into a school yard mud slinging match.
One poster, unhappy with Nikon's warranty, is now on every D7K thread berating fanboys and those wanting to help alike.
You are of the opinion that D7k owners do not wish to acknowledge fault with the camera at all cost. That is true to an extent as no one wishes to admit that they bought a lemon but the fact is that most owners, myself included, are extremely happy with their great cameras and are at first puzzled and then angry when each and every week there seems to be an issue which they don't have. One new D7K owner is so concerned about his lack of problems he is posting about spring noises and other strange phenomena because he is sure there MUST be something wrong with his camera.
If you all lay off the band wagon and listen to the reasoned replies of a few owners who know what they are talking about, ignore the attacks of the few fanboys, you would help those D7K owners with oil, slap, focus, skin tone issues.
I would ask you, Pic_noob, if this specific model has all of these issues and it is truly such a bad Nikon product (let down of the century after all that hype), how come I, and many others, are experiencing NONE of them? Are we all just blinded by hype and brand loyalty? Can you, or Kittykat or Dave, who have never used the camera be so sure that we are wrong?
I do not wish to fight with you.
I will shut up regarding you. I will not ignore you just yet because you may have something to offer me. But from now on I tire of this and will use my ignore option. If one cannot look away from the train wreck one may still draw the blinds.
Regards,
Ray
My opinion of your contribution to this forum is based solely on your posts. You, and others, are very vocal about something which you display little intrinsic knowledge of.
And that irritates me and others who you then label as fanboys.
Others with problems may post about them with or without your consent. You are not there to "give them a chance". You are not a moderator. But you have taken a strong stand on something which does not actually concern you and leads to a flame war which has turned this forum into a school yard mud slinging match.
One poster, unhappy with Nikon's warranty, is now on every D7K thread berating fanboys and those wanting to help alike.
You are of the opinion that D7k owners do not wish to acknowledge fault with the camera at all cost. That is true to an extent as no one wishes to admit that they bought a lemon but the fact is that most owners, myself included, are extremely happy with their great cameras and are at first puzzled and then angry when each and every week there seems to be an issue which they don't have. One new D7K owner is so concerned about his lack of problems he is posting about spring noises and other strange phenomena because he is sure there MUST be something wrong with his camera.
If you all lay off the band wagon and listen to the reasoned replies of a few owners who know what they are talking about, ignore the attacks of the few fanboys, you would help those D7K owners with oil, slap, focus, skin tone issues.
I would ask you, Pic_noob, if this specific model has all of these issues and it is truly such a bad Nikon product (let down of the century after all that hype), how come I, and many others, are experiencing NONE of them? Are we all just blinded by hype and brand loyalty? Can you, or Kittykat or Dave, who have never used the camera be so sure that we are wrong?
I do not wish to fight with you.
I will shut up regarding you. I will not ignore you just yet because you may have something to offer me. But from now on I tire of this and will use my ignore option. If one cannot look away from the train wreck one may still draw the blinds.
Regards,
Ray
no ofcourse not, you are right too, some people can afford more expensive cameras
and goes for the less.
but i guess most of people with cash goes deep into their possibilities
NEEDS is THE ASPECT
i respect your needs
if you tell me, i cannot keep a 800gr camera i prefer a 400gr one, i do respect it
but if you talk in general terms one is better than another one (like giving a public review more than caring about YOUR OWN NEEDS) then the fight starts
let me add: you will (1) read the SPECS on internet-magazine etc (2) feel the weight at the shop, what you like-want, you take
if you just buy the heavier and you later complain about its weight, that is stupid (in my opinion)
it's like someone who wants a small city car and ends buying a bigger farm-working car
and goes for the less.
but i guess most of people with cash goes deep into their possibilities
NEEDS is THE ASPECT
i respect your needs
if you tell me, i cannot keep a 800gr camera i prefer a 400gr one, i do respect it
but if you talk in general terms one is better than another one (like giving a public review more than caring about YOUR OWN NEEDS) then the fight starts
let me add: you will (1) read the SPECS on internet-magazine etc (2) feel the weight at the shop, what you like-want, you take
if you just buy the heavier and you later complain about its weight, that is stupid (in my opinion)
it's like someone who wants a small city car and ends buying a bigger farm-working car
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