Why are D7000 owners so defensive?

[Clayton1985]

I would guess that at least 2 out of 3 threads started by a D7000 owner posting images include a defensive statement such as "considering the focus problems of the D7000" or "New D7000 owner here and no problems at all" or "haven't had to change the oil on my D7000".

Of course the D7000 isn't the first to have some of this when there are problems but I don't think I've ever seen it get to be this pathetic.

It doesn't help the image of the D7000 -- it actually makes it worse. The D7000 has had it's share of issues and you are wearing blinders if you don't realize that but Nikon has mostly resolved the early production issues and we are left with a great camera.... yes, some will still have issues but there is no need for those that don't to be defensive and add to the negative perception. Instead, go enjoy your camera.

 

[wlad]

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[dave1812]

Here's my take on it.

the d7000 is a "cheap" alternative to a pro body, but it's also more expensive than say, a D5100 which has the same IQ. Those opting for the D7000 have been on the defensive due to the "oil on sensor" issues, mirror slap, etc that doesn't seem to afflict cheaper models. they are caught between a rock and hard place--ie their camera is neither fish, nor fowl. It's not entry level, so those who purchased it, expecting zero issues are disappointed. those with more money than expertise don't know how to deal with it's complexity, so they post images here and ask what they are doing wrong, which brings out the "user-error" mantra of the vocal, condescending crowd. I find it quite amusing when I read the more outrageously defensive posts by some of the loose canons posing as photographers here. (If I've offended anyone, ah, what can I say. If the shoe fits, wear it!)

I would guess that at least 2 out of 3 threads started by a D7000 owner posting images include a defensive statement such as "considering the focus problems of the D7000" or "New D7000 owner here and no problems at all" or "haven't had to change the oil on my D7000".

Of course the D7000 isn't the first to have some of this when there are problems but I don't think I've ever seen it get to be this pathetic.

It doesn't help the image of the D7000 -- it actually makes it worse. The D7000 has had it's share of issues and you are wearing blinders if you don't realize that but Nikon has mostly resolved the early production issues and we are left with a great camera.... yes, some will still have issues but there is no need for those that don't to be defensive and add to the negative perception. Instead, go enjoy your camera.

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Dave

Dee fifty one hundred

 

[wlad]

Im just wondering when all the D7000 are so defective, why didn't Nikon issue a recall ? Are those 99% of D7000 owner really blind ? Or are these "issues" really just blown out of proportion on forums like these ?

 

[Clayton1985]

You of course are wrong. Just because you don't like what I have to say doesn't make me a troll. I'm not criticizing the D7000 at all but rather think the behavior of many D7000 owners is unnecessary and doesn't help the situation.

I don't think mentioning the D7000's issues (whether real or perceived) when starting a thread totally unrelated to any issues is beneficial to anyone. I'm not suggesting that anyone not defend their position on the D7000 but a new thread posting pictures of your daughter is not the place to do it. It is my opinion right or wrong. I have more invested in the D7000 than many of the posters I've seen defending it.

 

[Colweb]

Today I let a Nikon Pro dealer clean the sensor in my D7000. But that is just normal maintenance. I had changed lenses in a very dusty environment and shouldn't have done that. The sensor is spot on again at no cost (service).

But I also spoke with him about at those negative experiences some have. According to him, oil spots did happen but he has seen only 4 or 5 (cameras, probably more spots) . And as soon as it was known, all cameras where cleaned before they were sold. And Nikon changed the production process so it shouldn't be possible anymore.

AF problems ?? Shutter slap ?? Also according to him, when bought from Nikon dealer, just bring it back and you get another. But he hadn't seen any with this.

The first 100,000 or so had some problems. But when bought from an official dealer, Nikon solved all the problems for free. And the latest firmware upgrade should also solve the programming problems.

You shouldn't believe everything you read in forums ....

 

[dave1812]

shutter slap? ah, don't you mean mirror slap?

Today I let a Nikon Pro dealer clean the sensor in my D7000. But that is just normal maintenance. I had changed lenses in a very dusty environment and shouldn't have done that. The sensor is spot on again at no cost (service).

But I also spoke with him about at those negative experiences some have. According to him, oil spots did happen but he has seen only 4 or 5 (cameras, probably more spots) . And as soon as it was known, all cameras where cleaned before they were sold. And Nikon changed the production process so it shouldn't be possible anymore.

AF problems ?? Shutter slap ?? Also according to him, when bought from Nikon dealer, just bring it back and you get another. But he hadn't seen any with this.

The first 100,000 or so had some problems. But when bought from an official dealer, Nikon solved all the problems for free. And the latest firmware upgrade should also solve the programming problems.

You shouldn't believe everything you read in forums ....

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Dave

Dee fifty one hundred

 

[Clayton1985]

I agree with you and I really didn't intend for this to be a discussion about any problems. I would just like to see happy D7000 owners not feel like they need to mention that they aren't having problems when posting pictures or otherwise starting a thread.

 

[Cope]

Clayton1985 wrote:

I would just like to see happy D7000 owners not feel like they need to mention that they aren't having problems when posting pictures or otherwise starting a thread.
Clayton, they won't have to, once the negative posting stops.
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[Peter Pans]

Im just wondering when all the D7000 are so defective, why didn't Nikon issue a recall?

Perhaps it's a cultural thing just like when the Japanese were saying that the trouble at their nuclear plants wasn't serious. In short ~ denial. I could be the same ego, pride and mindset that in bygone days had some of them commit hara-kiri (suicide) rather than lose honour (face). Perhaps admitting to faults doesn't come easy and would damage their human pride, so they quietly tweak things as they go hoping that no-one noticed the un-tweaked ones that went before them.

Who knows, but there does seem to be a QC issue, although with Nikon staying tight-lipped out it, we are not likely to be able to quantify it properly. There is no proof, apart from anecdotal proof, that the problems are widespread, but conversely, there is equally no proof that the problem is minimal, the norm or below the norm. While ever this remains the case, neither side can win, there can be no logical conclusion, something I think Nikon would prefer, because I think they probably WOULD have been more vocal if the reported problems weren't genuine or were minimal. It wouldn't make business sense not to.

 

[Mako2011]

I would guess that at least 2 out of 3 threads started by a D7000 owner posting images include a defensive statement such as "considering the focus problems of the D7000" or "New D7000 owner here and no problems at all" or "haven't had to change the oil on my D7000".

Of course the D7000 isn't the first to have some of this when there are problems but I don't think I've ever seen it get to be this pathetic.

Many non-D7K owners start threads criticizing D7K owners....just as you just did.

.... yes, some will still have issues but there is no need for those that don't to be defensive and add to the negative perception. Instead, go enjoy your camera.

You just started a negative thread about not starting a negative thread....You funny man and that adds to the overall entertainment value, so....Thanks...Oh and Peter too

 

[Peter Pans]

Today I let a Nikon Pro dealer clean the sensor in my D7000. But that is just normal maintenance. I had changed lenses in a very dusty environment and shouldn't have done that. The sensor is spot on again at no cost (service).

But I also spoke with him about at those negative experiences some have. According to him, oil spots did happen but he has seen only 4 or 5 (cameras, probably more spots) . And as soon as it was known, all cameras where cleaned before they were sold. And Nikon changed the production process so it shouldn't be possible anymore.

AF problems ?? Shutter slap ?? Also according to him, when bought from Nikon dealer, just bring it back and you get another. But he hadn't seen any with this.

The first 100,000 or so had some problems. But when bought from an official dealer, Nikon solved all the problems for free. And the latest firmware upgrade should also solve the programming problems.

You shouldn't believe everything you read in forums ....

Good advice ~ I don't believe you.

 

[JakeB]

"Leading question, your honor."

"Sustained."

I would guess that at least 2 out of 3 threads started by a D7000 owner posting images include a defensive statement such as "considering the focus problems of the D7000" or "New D7000 owner here and no problems at all" or "haven't had to change the oil on my D7000".

Of course the D7000 isn't the first to have some of this when there are problems but I don't think I've ever seen it get to be this pathetic.

It doesn't help the image of the D7000 -- it actually makes it worse. The D7000 has had it's share of issues and you are wearing blinders if you don't realize that but Nikon has mostly resolved the early production issues and we are left with a great camera.... yes, some will still have issues but there is no need for those that don't to be defensive and add to the negative perception. Instead, go enjoy your camera.

 

[Clayton1985]

I would only suggest that two wrongs don't make a right and the defensive comments that I'm referring to aren't doing anything to help eliminate the negative posts.

 

[Holmes375]

Some of the problems have been blown way out of proportion and others have been nothing more than inexperience on the part of the shooter.

I purchased a lightly used D7K from a fellow who had nothing but AF problems with it. I loaned him a couple of my lenses and he still had poor results. When I tested the camera I could find no problem at all. I ended up buying it from him for a very nice discount and it has never been serviced or AF fine tuned. And its never missed a beat for me. You can check my posting history here to see how the camera performs.

I believe he simply failed to study the operational manual thus did not fully understand the system. Additionally, his shooting technique is rather poor and the D7K is unforgiving in this area.

He has returned to his Canon kit and living happily ever after and still convinced the Nikon D7K he sold me had a back focus problem. The fellow also is quick to spew nastiness regarding Nikon and the D7K to anyone willing to listen.

I'm not a D7K fanboy nor do I dismiss the issues discussed here. But I do understand why some of the more experienced enthusiasts are defensive when their preferred and incredibly capable machine is endlessly ravaged by antagonists.

Fanboys/hateboys... the truth resides somewhere between these two extremes.

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Holmes
http://holmes.zenfolio.com/

 

[Clayton1985]

Wrong, I do own the D7000. Of course I would expect you to contribute this valuable insight since you probably own the record for posts defending the D7000

 

[Colweb]

shutter slap? ah, don't you mean mirror slap?

Yes...

Sometimes I type quicker than I think or is it thinks faster than I type

 

[Mako2011]

Wrong, I do own the D7000.

Sorry, I meant you too just started a criticizing/negative thread like many non-owners do

Of course I would expect you to contribute this valuable insight since you probably own the record for posts defending the D7000

I would but didn't want to sound defensive and have you start another negative post I assume you started this as an entertainment as you seem intelligent enough to have anticipated the direction it would take. I'm guessing it will get funnier long before it turns serious. That's not a dig, just a honest observation.....watch and see if I'm wrong.

 

[Clayton1985]

Yes, I expected some of this but I didn't start this just for entertainment. And to clarify I wasn't referring to any negative post but only those that have nothing to do with any issues other than to throw in a comment. For example posting pictures of your daughter and adding a "no backfocus issues here" comment.

 

[Peter Pans]

.... yes, some will still have issues but there is no need for those that don't to be defensive and add to the negative perception. Instead, go enjoy your camera.

You just started a negative thread about not starting a negative thread....You funny man and that adds to the overall entertainment value, so....Thanks...Oh and Peter too

Saying (paraphrased) "Don't be so defensive, instead, go and enjoy your camera" is being negative? I think that's a positive and therefore you're the one who needs recognition for the entertainment value of your posts

What's REALLY happening, is that you're trying to mock and ridicule people into shutting up, which only goes to further highlight the valid point made by the OP regarding brand/model, love-is-blind-style defensiveness/misplaced loyalty. Thanks.