D60 vs D1 vs D1s

For the dedicated hobbyist shooting wildlife, family portraiture, wildlife, landscapes, and travel, on an eos 1V, which is the best choice? I enjoy doing these activities more than endlessly playing with software, etc. But it is time to stop shooting all that film that takes so long to scan. I need something tough (shooting in places from Key West in summer to winter in Montana), that can produce up to 11x17 inch prints. I ordered a 1Ds that is now in, but am having terrible buyer's remorse even before I pick it up! I wonder if it will serve me as well as the 1V, or the F1 before it, or will it be obsolete soon. Thanks for any input.

I have used all of the cameras you mentioned, and previously owned a D30. My 1Ds came in on Friday and as such I have only had a day or so to play with it. All I can say is, there is no digital camera on the market today that comes close. If you are used to film, looking through the viewfinder on a field which is cropped can be annoying. The 1Ds finally provides a complete field of view missing on all of the others.

What can I say, the image quality, handling, etc. are a joy. It is an amazing camera. Will it be "out of date" soon? Sure. Will you ever "need" any more than this camera can deliver? Unlikely.

If you use a 1v, you will find the D60 limiting. If you print at 11x17 and do not want to do too much manipulation, then you will find the 1D lacking. The 1Ds is what you need to accomplish your stated goals.

Peter

joe cartwright said:

For the dedicated hobbyist shooting wildlife, family portraiture,
wildlife, landscapes, and travel, on an eos 1V, which is the best
choice? I enjoy doing these activities more than endlessly playing
with software, etc. But it is time to stop shooting all that film
that takes so long to scan. I need something tough (shooting in
places from Key West in summer to winter in Montana), that can
produce up to 11x17 inch prints. I ordered a 1Ds that is now in,
but am having terrible buyer's remorse even before I pick it up! I
wonder if it will serve me as well as the 1V, or the F1 before it,
or will it be obsolete soon. Thanks for any input.

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Peter Sills
Digital Focus
http://www.digitalfocus.net

joe cartwright said:

For the dedicated hobbyist shooting wildlife, family portraiture,
wildlife, landscapes, and travel, on an eos 1V, which is the best
choice? I enjoy doing these activities more than endlessly playing
with software, etc. But it is time to stop shooting all that film
that takes so long to scan. I need something tough (shooting in
places from Key West in summer to winter in Montana), that can
produce up to 11x17 inch prints. I ordered a 1Ds that is now in,
but am having terrible buyer's remorse even before I pick it up! I
wonder if it will serve me as well as the 1V, or the F1 before it,
or will it be obsolete soon. Thanks for any input.

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I've used a D60 and a 1D and am currently considering whether to go 1Ds or not.

I think from what I read of your intended use, the 1Ds would be preferred.

The 1D would certainly serve you as well as the 1V I'm sure... the 1Ds, you're cutting down on fps but you're gaining lots of resolution over the 1D.

Given you're shooting portaits/landscapes, you'd appreciate the resolution of the 1DS.

Wildlife hmmm I'm not a wildlife photographer and I know some prefer the faster fps of the 1D for that. Do you find yourself shooting at high fps at the moment?

D60 well I find the AF annoying and the 1D or 1Ds much more satisfying to use.. but then pricewise, heck, they should be!

Obsolete well no... your 1D or 1Ds will be able to keep taking photos for years... will something new and wonderful come out next year to make you think ouch? well yeah! bound to! but it won't stop your camera working and taking great photos so no, it won't be obsolete.

Hi Joe,

I think it's all a matter of which camera's features meet your needs the best. I don't think any one of these cameras is the winner in all categories.

I shot with the D30 for a year and a half, and as I got more into bird photography, upgraded to the 1D for better autofocus, metering, and speed. The D30 provided great images, but I wasn't able to capture the shots I wanted as consistently as I would want.

If you're shooting with the 1V, I'd think the D60 could be a problem in terms of its speed, autofocus and metering.

As for the 1D vs 1Ds:

Advantages of the 1D:
---ISO range (up to 3200 vs 1250 for the 1Ds)
---speed (8 fps, 17 frame buffer, vs 3 fps, 10 frame butter for the 1Ds)
---flash synch speed (1/500 second, vs 1/250 for the 1Ds)

Advantages of the 1Ds:
---resolution!!!

---possibly better noise performance at higher ISO (but may be too soon to call on that)

The higher resolution is certainly a big advantage for the 1Ds, but there is a price to pay in terms of file size: more demanding of your computer hardware and archiving/backup strategies.

I print/sell images up to 13x19 with both prior D30 and current 1D, so I would think you'd be happy with 11x17 with the 1D.

Just a few thoughts.

Don
http://www.dlcphotography.net

Coming from the 1v, you won't want the D60. You'll get too frustrated with it.

Both the 1D and 1Ds can print quite well up to 11x17.

If you don't need ultra-wide angle, I'd save 4 grand and get the 1D.

Will the 1D and 1Ds be obsoleted soon? Well, within a few years, I'm sure there will be something better and cheaper (though I'm not sure yet how they'll be better . . . that would be amazing!). But, either one of those cameras will be capable of taking excellent pictures until the day you die, I'm quite sure.

You'd PROBABLY be happier with the 1Ds over the 1D. But whether you'd be 4k happier is another question that only you can answer. Also, there's a potential problem with GETTING one of those right now. It's not impossible, but it will take some looking.

joe cartwright said:

For the dedicated hobbyist shooting wildlife, family portraiture,
wildlife, landscapes, and travel, on an eos 1V, which is the best
choice? I enjoy doing these activities more than endlessly playing
with software, etc. But it is time to stop shooting all that film
that takes so long to scan. I need something tough (shooting in
places from Key West in summer to winter in Montana), that can
produce up to 11x17 inch prints. I ordered a 1Ds that is now in,
but am having terrible buyer's remorse even before I pick it up! I
wonder if it will serve me as well as the 1V, or the F1 before it,
or will it be obsolete soon. Thanks for any input.

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http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

Given what you shoot, any plans on getting a 1Ds ?

What if you could sell the 1D and upgrade for only $2,000 more?

DonCohen said:

I think it's all a matter of which camera's features meet your
needs the best. I don't think any one of these cameras is the
winner in all categories.

I shot with the D30 for a year and a half, and as I got more into
bird photography, upgraded to the 1D for better autofocus,
metering, and speed. The D30 provided great images, but I wasn't
able to capture the shots I wanted as consistently as I would want.

If you're shooting with the 1V, I'd think the D60 could be a
problem in terms of its speed, autofocus and metering.

As for the 1D vs 1Ds:

Advantages of the 1D:
---ISO range (up to 3200 vs 1250 for the 1Ds)
---speed (8 fps, 17 frame buffer, vs 3 fps, 10 frame butter for the
1Ds)
---flash synch speed (1/500 second, vs 1/250 for the 1Ds)

Advantages of the 1Ds:
---resolution!!!
---possibly better noise performance at higher ISO (but may be too
soon to call on that)

The higher resolution is certainly a big advantage for the 1Ds, but
there is a price to pay in terms of file size: more demanding of
your computer hardware and archiving/backup strategies.

I print/sell images up to 13x19 with both prior D30 and current 1D,
so I would think you'd be happy with 11x17 with the 1D.

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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

From MY point of view of course

The D60 is the cheap option, has the worst AF, middle pic size and the CMOS sensor, most compact and lightest - sorta based on the Elan-7 body but with the Elan-II AF setup (though not as sensitive).

The 1D is the sports model, only has a 4Mp CCD but does 8FPS and has the Killer 45-point AF which will track a rat up a drainpipe at midnight. based on the 1V

the 1DS is the Hi Res FULL FRAME (no FOV crop like the other two) model.. FPS is similar to the D60 as are ISOs etc but has the lovely CMOS sensor and at 11Mp too PLUS the wonderful 45-point AF which will rat track BUT at only at a lower frame rate .. also based on the 1V

If the D60 is fast enough frame wise for you but you want the absolute best image quality, AND have the readies, the 1DS is the answer - if you do a lot of sports especially in low light and therefore need the FPS speed, the 1D is the answer -

the D60 is for those of us who can't afford the 1DS and either can't afford a 1D, don't need the 1D special features or just don't want a 4Mp CCD based camera -- the D60 only has TWO advantages over the 1DS, PRICE and WEIGHT - for me that's ONE - PRICE

I see the 1DS as a sort of "Super-D60" and for my needs would be perfect (in fact more than perfect) - I just don't have the cash

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And it's really not a problem just a thought, is that I would think in the very near future, Canon will upgrade the 1d......even if they just went to an 8mp cmos and kept all the other goodies (8fps, 1/500 sync, 1/16,000 shutter) that would be the best all round camera, and i would choose that in a heartbeat over the 1ds.......but they will have to be careful not to drag everyone away from the 1ds, so thats whty I dont think the full 11mp will make it into this newer version, or maybe even the full size sensor?? who knows........

joe cartwright said:

For the dedicated hobbyist shooting wildlife, family portraiture,
wildlife, landscapes, and travel, on an eos 1V, which is the best
choice? I enjoy doing these activities more than endlessly playing
with software, etc. But it is time to stop shooting all that film
that takes so long to scan. I need something tough (shooting in
places from Key West in summer to winter in Montana), that can
produce up to 11x17 inch prints. I ordered a 1Ds that is now in,
but am having terrible buyer's remorse even before I pick it up! I
wonder if it will serve me as well as the 1V, or the F1 before it,
or will it be obsolete soon. Thanks for any input.

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Sorry to say that your comment below is lacking. I do home prints up to 13x1 and formal commercial prints 20x16 that are awesome with NO res up or manipulation AT ALL from a 1D and clients LOVE them. They are in NO way flawed. So you can bag that comment..........

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If you print at
11x17 and do not want to do too much manipulation, then you will
find the 1D lacking. The 1Ds is what you need to accomplish your
stated goals.

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I believe that the interline CCD sensor is the only reason they can have 1/500 sync and 1/16,000 shutter.

Going to CMOS is what caused the 1Ds to be limited to "only" 1/250 and 1/8000.

Daven said:

even if
they just went to an 8mp cmos and kept all the other goodies (8fps,
1/500 sync, 1/16,000 shutter) that would be the best all round
camera,

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http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

I agree when you are not shooting small objects in the frame. However, I have tried this with images with a lot of leaves for example, and it can be problematic. It is more about what you are shooting than simply size.

If there is a lot of small detail, then the limitations of the 4 mpixel sensor show. Regardless of the fact that it is probably one of the cleanest sensors at that size around.

Peter

Lee Rothman said:

Member said:

If you print at
11x17 and do not want to do too much manipulation, then you will
find the 1D lacking. The 1Ds is what you need to accomplish your
stated goals.

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Peter Sills
Digital Focus
http://www.digitalfocus.net

if you can afford it, go for the 1DS.

i have a D60 and love it and it's ease of use, but from what i read here and elsewhere, the 1DS is like having the ultimate.

Peter Sills said:

What can I say, the image quality, handling, etc. are a joy. It is
an amazing camera. Will it be "out of date" soon? Sure. Will you
ever "need" any more than this camera can deliver? Unlikely.

If you use a 1v, you will find the D60 limiting. If you print at
11x17 and do not want to do too much manipulation, then you will
find the 1D lacking. The 1Ds is what you need to accomplish your
stated goals.

Peter

joe cartwright said:

For the dedicated hobbyist shooting wildlife, family portraiture,
wildlife, landscapes, and travel, on an eos 1V, which is the best
choice? I enjoy doing these activities more than endlessly playing
with software, etc. But it is time to stop shooting all that film
that takes so long to scan. I need something tough (shooting in
places from Key West in summer to winter in Montana), that can
produce up to 11x17 inch prints. I ordered a 1Ds that is now in,
but am having terrible buyer's remorse even before I pick it up! I
wonder if it will serve me as well as the 1V, or the F1 before it,
or will it be obsolete soon. Thanks for any input.

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Peter Sills
Digital Focus
http://www.digitalfocus.net

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photography is my passion.

I have had the 1Ds since Wednesday, enough time to "discover" how truly great this camera is. The D60 is now my wife's camera (great files, but NOT is the same league as the 1Ds). The 1D will stay in the bag for 8 fps shots (shown on my website). But I have rekindled my desire to shoot. Not many cameras have done that in a way this one has. If you can afford it, go for it. I can't say enough good things.... By the way, my Canon EOS 1V has been staring at me from the shelf for the past year.

Jim
14mm, 16-35, 28-70, 100 macro, 70-200, 300 f2.8, 400 f2.8, 600 f4, 1200 f5.6

http://www.jannard.com

joe cartwright said:

For the dedicated hobbyist shooting wildlife, family portraiture,
wildlife, landscapes, and travel, on an eos 1V, which is the best
choice? I enjoy doing these activities more than endlessly playing
with software, etc. But it is time to stop shooting all that film
that takes so long to scan. I need something tough (shooting in
places from Key West in summer to winter in Montana), that can
produce up to 11x17 inch prints. I ordered a 1Ds that is now in,
but am having terrible buyer's remorse even before I pick it up! I
wonder if it will serve me as well as the 1V, or the F1 before it,
or will it be obsolete soon. Thanks for any input.

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Do you really have a 1200mm lens?

redman said:

Jim
14mm, 16-35, 28-70, 100 macro, 70-200, 300 f2.8, 400 f2.8, 600 f4,
1200 f5.6

http://www.jannard.com

joe cartwright said:

For the dedicated hobbyist shooting wildlife, family portraiture,
wildlife, landscapes, and travel, on an eos 1V, which is the best
choice? I enjoy doing these activities more than endlessly playing
with software, etc. But it is time to stop shooting all that film
that takes so long to scan. I need something tough (shooting in
places from Key West in summer to winter in Montana), that can
produce up to 11x17 inch prints. I ordered a 1Ds that is now in,
but am having terrible buyer's remorse even before I pick it up! I
wonder if it will serve me as well as the 1V, or the F1 before it,
or will it be obsolete soon. Thanks for any input.

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Thanks for the input folks! Just when I am convinced that I shoud buy the 1Ds, I look at the photos that Don has on his site from a 1D and think... they are great, so I do not need more pixels of the 1Ds, especially for $3,500 more. The 1Ds that I got on the list for is now in, and I must decide by tomorrow AM. Lots more research to do.

mark kay said:

Do you really have a 1200mm lens?

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No, I just put that in there because I was bored.... I bought it about 5 years ago. I don't really use it too much because it is a bear to haul around and I'm getting old. It is a very sharp lens though. Maybe I'll dust it off and hook it up to the 1Ds. Should be interesting. Maybe I'll throw the doubler on it for grins. If there is any interest, I'll publish something....

mark kay said:

mark kay said:

http://www.jannard.com

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I am curious how much you paid. WOuld love to see some images from that baby. You can always sell it )

redman said:

mark kay said:

Do you really have a 1200mm lens?

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No, I just put that in there because I was bored.... I bought it
about 5 years ago. I don't really use it too much because it is a
bear to haul around and I'm getting old. It is a very sharp lens
though. Maybe I'll dust it off and hook it up to the 1Ds. Should
be interesting. Maybe I'll throw the doubler on it for grins. If
there is any interest, I'll publish something....

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redman95901 said:

http://www.jannard.com

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I'd like to see what that lens could do on a D1s. Hey Jim, not to blow your cover, but are you the CEO of Oakley? I live in OC and really amire Oakley and it's product lines! Just curious.

redman said:

mark kay said:

Do you really have a 1200mm lens?

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No, I just put that in there because I was bored.... I bought it
about 5 years ago. I don't really use it too much because it is a
bear to haul around and I'm getting old. It is a very sharp lens
though. Maybe I'll dust it off and hook it up to the 1Ds. Should
be interesting. Maybe I'll throw the doubler on it for grins. If
there is any interest, I'll publish something....

redman95901 said:

redman95901 said:

http://www.jannard.com

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No offense intended, but it is easier to get a sharp 72dpi file to look good for the web than a 288 (or 300) dpi file for a large print.... I had what I thought were great 12x18 prints from my 1D, until I printed the 1Ds. The 1D prints are still great, but they don't hold up to the 1Ds....no surprise. Most folks are more impressed with a great subject, light, and color. I like all the above 1st as well, but sharpness in a large print is a great luxury....

joe cartwright said:

Thanks for the input folks! Just when I am convinced that I shoud
buy the 1Ds, I look at the photos that Don has on his site from a
1D and think... they are great, so I do not need more pixels of the
1Ds, especially for $3,500 more. The 1Ds that I got on the list for
is now in, and I must decide by tomorrow AM. Lots more research to
do.

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I hate to blow my cover.... the 1200 cost more than any shooting product I ever purchased. If I sell it I'll lose a fortune. I'd rather keep it and pretend it has held its value.

Thanks for the O comment....a lot of hard work.

JLind said:

I'd like to see what that lens could do on a D1s. Hey Jim, not to
blow your cover...

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