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D7000 - I was thinking of getting one.. "was" being the operative word.

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When I got my second d5100, it was the first one of the 3 nikon bodies I received, that had 2 obvious spots. Sure I used the proper method to check for them, but then changing the aperture to f11, they STILL showed up. Your skepticism is just a manifestation of not understanding the issues.

According to YOU, is using Sensor Swabs with Eclipse using "the wrong tools"? sigh.
antoineb said:
(1) I'm not denying that some people show shots with spots

(2) I'm a bit skeptical as to the actual problem, because to show spots you typically need to shoot at f16 or f22 or higher. At such small apertures, diffraction causes a significant drop in image quality. So I'm wondering about the actual relevance in the firld

(3) finally, we don't know whether these spots were there when the camera was unpacked. Too many people think they're so smart, and too many people clean their sensors too often, and dare to do it with the wrong tools (ie anything that's more than just an air blower).

In any case, all this is irrelevant to you, given that you cannot buy as your Australian warranty might not work depending on where you will end up.
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Dee fifty one hundred
 
CaseyKittyKat said:
Am waiting until I arrive in UK, and I'll start researching again there (I had researched and decided the D7000 was the best option until I found the problems with it (or non existing problems, according to some here).

Pity about the warranty thing though - it would've been nice to get duty free.

I really don't see why it matter if i take an Australian bought camera into an English Nikon service centre..
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Perhaps it's because all the menus are written in Australian.
CaseyKittyKat said:
intruder61 said:
without reading all the blah between your post and this...what did you get instead?
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Pete
 
Peter Pans said:
Mako2011 said:
Peter Pans said:
Peter v.d Werf said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
"So stop talking about issues if you don't have any numbers"
  • Why should I stop talking issues that matter TO ME just because YOU say so? (Sieg Heil!!)
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Sorry, but the way you end this last line is completely out of line, please stop with this kind of nonsense.

Shouting with capitals...well, if you feel you need to, but stop with the **** salute crap. I think I can speak for many that this kind of talk has no place on a photo gear forum (or anywhere else for that matter....)
Stop taking things so personally here, it's a discussion, not a war........
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Are you saying that D7000 owners don't take it personally when people have the audacity to be wary because of reported problems? I'd say that the D7000 owners are the FIRST people to take it personally often with their "user error" and "get a point and shoot" jibes. And then of course when someone retaliates, they are accused of being the one taking things personally. Oh well, I guess hypocrite can be found anywhere.
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Peter Pans said:
I do enjoy it when you have had a chance to get in an extra cup of coffee or two. You greatly add to the fun part of this thread :) Much appreciated.
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Cool, but be careful that you don't address my point.
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Worry not....that would be like answering my wife when she asks "do I look fat" I know that's not what she's asking. With this many posts in this short a time...I'm sure it will show up soon :) No disrespect, I do enjoy your contributions.
 
pic_noob said:
It seems here you cant comment the slightest issue regarding the D7000 here. You will get shot down unless you admit you are the problem.
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It goes further than that though. They expect to see self-flagelation and prefer to have you approach them with an "I'm a useless piece of crap who knows nothing but your the expert who knows everything". If you kow-tow to them like that, then they'll be OK with you.
 
MajorNikon said:
Clue #1:
OP joins DPR just in the last few days
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At some point, EVERYONE joined DPR in the last few days.
MajorNikon said:
Clue #2:

OP claims "spent 8 years doing wedding/portaits/nudes/stock, etc.", but makes no mention of camera or lenses presently or previously owned.
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I thought the thread was about the D7000, not existing gear.
MajorNikon said:
Clue #3:
Starts post with, 'I was thinking of buying Nikon, but...'
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And?
MajorNikon said:
Clue #4:

Points to anecdotal accounts of problems with Nikon equipment and suggests such problems are systematic.
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In the absence of concrete evidence, the claim that the problems are minimal is every bit as anecdotal.
MajorNikon said:
Clue #5:

Identifies "problem" with Nikon warranty, even though all major photography equipment manufacturers have the same or similar policies.
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See above, i.e. "I was thinking about buying Nikon, but..."

The reason he has a problem with the Nikon warranty is because he was thinking of buying a Nikon. How many potential Nikon purchasers do you know who have a problem with Pentax warranties?

So much for your clues. They only serve to prove that you're clueless, but nice try.
 
emem said:
.. and accept this bulldust about warranties not applying outside of the country of purchase. COME ON PEOPLE - wake up to yourselves.

It seems we're living in a global economy when it suits the big boys but hey, little individuals can't cite a global economy to get things like international warranties working. I gather from reading these forums that Nikon (in its various iterations in various countries ) is particularly active in inconveniencing their customers in the name of stamping out "grey imports". What utter claptrap. DON"T ACCEPT THIS NONSENSE.

If a camera - or any other piece of electronic equipment, was purchased legally anywhere in the world, it should carry a manufacturers warranty wherever it ends up. Full stop. No argument.

As long as we collectively behave like spineless sheep, we'll be treated as such.

To the OP - take your stand - and make sure you let Nikon in Australia AND Japan what you're doing and why. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Amen.
 
Hey ... you know the term kow-tow :)
I am pretty sad to see new threads that mock on these reported issues.

an recent example:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1034&thread=38762177
Peter Pans said:
pic_noob said:
It seems here you cant comment the slightest issue regarding the D7000 here. You will get shot down unless you admit you are the problem.
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It goes further than that though. They expect to see self-flagelation and prefer to have you approach them with an "I'm a useless piece of crap who knows nothing but your the expert who knows everything". If you kow-tow to them like that, then they'll be OK with you.
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Why can everyone just discuss this nicely? Even if OP says something that not inline with the views of yours, you can just post and advice nicely. Instead,many are "defending/guarding" this place as if its their home. It's a forum!!

Maybe I should start a thread saying all the nice things about D7000 and so that everyone can say nice things ...
 
Peter Pans said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
Peter Pans said:
I wasn't just counting posts here, I've been reading many forums about these problems. Whole websites created to upload focussing cards and guides, tips on how to avoid oil spots or remove them, etc.
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Like you, I've also not limited my search to Dpreview. Here are some comments from a poster on another forum called Alton Andrew...it was in response to a review putting the D7000 at twice as good as the D300...

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BS voting in favor of the d7000. Still image focusing is MUCH better on the d300s, especially in low light - my d7000 jumps around like a lost puppy, but the d300s just nails it.
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Peter Pans said:
My d7000 looks like "vivid" on steroids, almost cartoon-like colors!! Buffer on the d7000 is laughable. If you shoot fast moving aircraft, you'll have less than 2 seconds worth of burst exposures (10 @ 6FPS) in RAW before you hit the buffer, then take a nap while it sloooowly recycles zzzzzzzz, oh sorry I nodded off.
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Peter Pans said:
(FYI my old canon 40d blows both of them out of the water for buffer/ focusing speed/ev)

Ergonomics of the d300s are much much better, unless you have the feminine hands of a girlyman, you may find the d7000 more comfortable (but the rubber has less stippling and is of thinner and cheaper quality.
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Just curious, but with the language he/she used such as "girlyman hands" and "cartoon like colors", this is supposed to be an unbiased and level headed review? These comments actually have merit? All user reports (other than professional reviewers)will be subjective rather than objective but this is just silly. But, that's part of the buying process, weeding out the overly skewed opinions (good and bad) and finding a measure of objectivity. This has none.
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James
 
If you think that the Nikon D7000 has to many issues then buy a Canon and be happy . You are doing a diservice to those who can get an excellent camera by putting doubts in them . You have no numbers to base your claims . You don't know how many of the overall sales of D7000 have been defective , so you should not post this here because it could be within the margin of defective copies permisible . Buy
a CANON and be happy.
 
crankerchick said:
emem said:
As long as we collectively behave like spineless sheep, we'll be treated as such.

To the OP - take your stand - and make sure you let Nikon in Australia AND Japan what you're doing and why. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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The key to your statement being "let Nikon...[know] what you're doing and why." I'm pretty sure Nikon Aus and Japan aren't http://www.dpreview.com . I just don't get the point of the initial post. So what she doesn't want to buy a Nikon camera. I fail to see how posting to say you aren't buying something means anything to people who don't know you and don't care that you aren't buying said electronics equipment.
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Perhaps he/she was hoping that someone would come up with something to change his/her mind. And the reported problems are going to be a bit of a worry if you don't have an appropriate warranty. I saw the point of the original post and I saw the poster get needlessly attacked because of his genuine concerns. And note that the OP didn't start getting shirty until he came under attack.
crankerchick said:
If she wanted to discuss warranty problems, then why not make that the point of the post.
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The worry about reported problems is instrinsically linked to the warranty that would need to be used should there be something wrong. THAT is the link.
crankerchick said:
The point of the post seems to be, "I'm not buying this product because..."
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Have you never given a reason for not buying a product?
 
pic_noob said:
Hey ... you know the term kow-tow :)
I am pretty sad to see new threads that mock on these reported issues.

an recent example:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1034&thread=38762177
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And these are the guys who complain when REAL issues are discussed.
pic_noob said:
Peter Pans said:
pic_noob said:
It seems here you cant comment the slightest issue regarding the D7000 here. You will get shot down unless you admit you are the problem.
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It goes further than that though. They expect to see self-flagelation and prefer to have you approach them with an "I'm a useless piece of crap who knows nothing but your the expert who knows everything". If you kow-tow to them like that, then they'll be OK with you.
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Pete
 
Mannypr said:
You are doing a diservice to those who can get an excellent camera by putting doubts in them.
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Some people have had multiple bodies because of problems with their purchase. In their case, it would have been a diservice to recommend the camera. Why can people only see this from one point of view. I can see both points of view.
Mannypr said:
You have no numbers to base your claims.
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What a co-incidence, neither do you have numbers to base your claim that the problems are minimal. See that? You seem incapable of seeing any point of view except your own.
Mannypr said:
You don't know how many of the overall sales of D7000 have been defective , so you should not post this here because it could be within the margin of defective copies permisible.
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You don't know how many of the overall sales of D7000 have NOT been defective, so you should not post this here because it could be OUTSIDE the margin of defective copies permisible. What makes your guess so credible?
 
jimmybob said:
Peter Pans said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
jimmybob said:
I wasn't just counting posts here, I've been reading many forums about these problems. Whole websites created to upload focussing cards and guides, tips on how to avoid oil spots or remove them, etc.
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Like you, I've also not limited my search to Dpreview. Here are some comments from a poster on another forum called Alton Andrew...it was in response to a review putting the D7000 at twice as good as the D300...

Quote....

BS voting in favor of the d7000. Still image focusing is MUCH better on the d300s, especially in low light - my d7000 jumps around like a lost puppy, but the d300s just nails it.
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jimmybob said:
My d7000 looks like "vivid" on steroids, almost cartoon-like colors!! Buffer on the d7000 is laughable. If you shoot fast moving aircraft, you'll have less than 2 seconds worth of burst exposures (10 @ 6FPS) in RAW before you hit the buffer, then take a nap while it sloooowly recycles zzzzzzzz, oh sorry I nodded off.
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jimmybob said:
(FYI my old canon 40d blows both of them out of the water for buffer/ focusing speed/ev)

Ergonomics of the d300s are much much better, unless you have the feminine hands of a girlyman, you may find the d7000 more comfortable (but the rubber has less stippling and is of thinner and cheaper quality.
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Just curious, but with the language he/she used such as "girlyman hands" and "cartoon like colors", this is supposed to be an unbiased and level headed review? These comments actually have merit? All user reports (other than professional reviewers)will be subjective rather than objective but this is just silly. But, that's part of the buying process, weeding out the overly skewed opinions (good and bad) and finding a measure of objectivity. This has none.
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Mainly because it's add odds with yours.
 
antoineb said:
(1) on the warranty, all makers are the same, all to stop grey imports as you mention. So you can't buy a Nikon or a Canon or anything if you're going to leave soon

(2) on AF, it's urban legend, period. I've got tons of perfectly focused shots from my D7k, even with the demanding 85mm f1.4 G lens, such as this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/antoinebach/5262393112/
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That's hardly scientific research, you know, based on ONE camera. You go on and on about people being wary because of the NUMEROUS user complaints and yet you base your opinion on ONE camera and claim that we're the ones who are not looking at this realistically.
antoineb said:
(3) on oil spots, it's another urban legend
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Wow, so there has been actual photographs of urban legends on this forum?
 
antoineb said:
(1) I'm not denying that some people show shots with spots

(2) I'm a bit skeptical as to the actual problem, because to show spots you typically need to shoot at f16 or f22 or higher. At such small apertures, diffraction causes a significant drop in image quality. So I'm wondering about the actual relevance in the firld

(3) finally, we don't know whether these spots were there when the camera was unpacked. Too many people think they're so smart, and too many people clean their sensors too often, and dare to do it with the wrong tools (ie anything that's more than just an air blower).
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Explain how an air blower can remove oil spots from your sensor.
 
crankerchick said:
If you wanted to talk about the warranty, why wouldn't you post about, gee, I don't know, the warranty.

I see what you are getting at, stating all the potential for issues and why a global warranty matters to you, because of your perception of higher than normal potential issues. But you didn't phrase your post that way at all.

Your entire initial post is all about why you aren't buying the camera. I'm pretty sure nobody cares about you as a single person in a world of many and why you don't want to buy a particular camera, or buy a camera from a particular brand with a warranty that is on par with many other manufacturers of the same type of equipment.

Your feelings on the warranty issue seem quite relevant, it's just that you didn't make that the focal point of your post. It comes off more as "Oooh look me, I'm not buying your product and here's why." No one here is trying to sell it to you. See what I'm getting at?
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I think people are consistently trying to sell the D7000 on here. If anyone comes here and says, "What DX camera should I buy" you will see the D7000 users come out in force with their sales patter.
 
Where those in need can hang out and discuss the camera you don't own/can't afford/can't figure out at 150 post length. (What is it with that arbitrary number anyway? DPR, get your act together, we need 500. At least!)

A support group if you will, membership upon approval of the group, verified by submission of ever so slightly out of focus, orange or oil-stained photos. Borrowed from the web would be fine, as not everyone would be so bold as to actually purchase the damn thing if there might be a problem. Life is dangerous enough without risking a faulty camera, for heaven's sake! I mean, any one of us could be taken out by a garbage truck on a given day. One simply never knows when one's number might come up.

Just think of all the studiously researched internet rumors these knowledge ferrets could bring to bear on these ever so weighty issues. Oh, the numberless batteries, bookspines and cereal boxes, the razor sharp dog ears and snouts and the magenta babies!
Do you think DPR would go for it?

Upon resolution of their particular issue or issues, the FUD forum member would then be eligible to apply for membership in the main D7000/D90/D5100 group. The qualification would be no fewer than 12 correctly exposed, razor sharp photos taken with a Nikon midrange DSLR that they actually own, posted to their gallery. "This User has no Photos" would be a disqualifier, obviously.
 
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