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After being a FCS user i'm really disappointed, its not Pro at all, really just an updated imovie, I really don't think I will every update anymore Apple software as if in this case they just let down there Pro user base. Final cut X has been a long time coming its either a 'half baked idea' or needs finishing off properly for Pro use, a pity as it has some good features. Avid & Premiere will be jumping with joy, I'm going to check out other options as of now.
 
Is it really only available from the App store? Ouch. Apple just made corporate purchase even more convoluted. How many employees will now have to use their own credit card and get re-imbursement from their administration?

I guess they're really going for consumer now and ignoring corporate completely or maybe they're trying to force administration to start using Macs. Mwaaaa Haaaa....
 
richiebee said:
Is it really only available from the App store? Ouch. Apple just made corporate purchase even more convoluted. How many employees will now have to use their own credit card and get re-imbursement from their administration?

I guess they're really going for consumer now and ignoring corporate completely or maybe they're trying to force administration to start using Macs. Mwaaaa Haaaa....
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Or possibly the company has its own credit facility? You know like company credit card?

Not convoluted for those with half a brain.... sheesh Richibee do you ever think before you post?

To the OP I use Premiere Pro on both Mac and PC, its not without it's issues but after a year or so of using it I'd say Pr CS5 is much better than the poor earlier versions and you can trial it if you need to. I moved from FCP (because I can't use it on my PC) and I'm liking it so far..
 
Apple aims their software at what 90% of what people want to do. They avoid the bloatware that way.

I suspect Apple does not want to commit resources to try and make the top video program for that 10% who need those features. There are high end program available for those people.

For the rest of us (the 90%) Final Cut X will be an affordable, capable, easier to use program that can produce high quality output.

Apple has committed to regular updates and improvements. It is going to be an excellent video editor for OSX.
 
Apple has always tried to change the way people think about things. I bought FCPX yesterday and yes there are a few things missing, but there are an aweful lot of very powerful new things added. When I first opened it I was utterly lost, coming from FCP 6/7 and editing virtually every day for the last 4 years. But I bought a course from Ripple, and started to learn. The more I have been using it, the more I realise that it will revolutionise the way people edit. But only for those that are willing to embrace change.
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Final Cut Studio, though great in its time, is rather “un-Mac” by today’s standards. Apple has placed its bet on a community of creative young Mac users who have grown up with a digital aesthetic that is consistent across the company’s hardware and software, and is now beyond the old film/tape/track-based metaphor of Final Cut Studio and its like. Some will learn and adjust, some will fall by the wayside, and some will take to it intuitively. FCP X is a strikingly forward-looking application, and proposes a new paradigm for digital video production. Apple has an uncanny sense for the spirit of the times, has both inspired and anticipated it with amazing success. I wouldn’t bet against it.

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Mark Smith said:
Or possibly the company has its own credit facility? You know like company credit card?

Not convoluted for those with half a brain.... sheesh Richibee do you ever think before you post?
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Straight for the personal attack. Nice. Not every company issues credit cards, but even those that do are likely to require that purchased licenses belong to the company and not the individual. Given Apple's approach to licensing a product to an individual I'm not sure how I'd comply with company policy when purchasing from the App Store, either.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out with Lion upgrades in corporate environments.
 
Dark Adept said:
Mark Smith said:
Or possibly the company has its own credit facility? You know like company credit card?

Not convoluted for those with half a brain.... sheesh Richibee do you ever think before you post?
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Straight for the personal attack. Nice.
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Yep_ I guess I have little tolerance of foolish people, especially ones that make stupid points and finish with "Haaa Haa' — so mature
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Not every company issues credit cards, but even those that do are likely to require that purchased licenses belong to the company and not the individual.
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Of course but then if it's a company buying the software, then why should the individual need/claim ownership?
Companies do this sort of thing all the time, have done for years.
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Given Apple's approach to licensing a product to an individual I'm not sure how I'd comply with company policy when purchasing from the App Store, either.
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Eh? tell me you're not being obtuse? Apple have one of the least restrictive EULA of any software company-mostly based on trust.
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out with Lion upgrades in corporate environments.
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It'll be easy, the same way we roll out any downloaded software from Apple, Microsoft or Adobe.

That is you buy a site licence or "xx' user and deploy it using packages and images.

If your company has bought the users/site licence then IT can roll out the package from a download.
We don't buy 700 DVDs you know!
 
Yidahoo said:
. The more I have been using it, the more I realise that it will revolutionise the way > people edit. But only for those that are willing to embrace change.
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You mean the way prosumers who are willing to change edit.
 
Mark Smith said:
Or possibly the company has its own credit facility? You know like company credit card?

Not convoluted for those with half a brain.... sheesh Richibee do you ever think before you post?
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I've never worked for a company that gives corporate credit cards to all its employees. I currently work for a small department (around 40 employees) of a large institution and two of us have corporate credit cards.

I don't understand why you need to be so angry when you reply.
Mark Smith145430 said:
To the OP I use Premiere Pro on both Mac and PC, its not without it's issues but after a year or so of using it I'd say Pr CS5 is much better than the poor earlier versions and you can trial it if you need to. I moved from FCP (because I can't use it on my PC) and I'm liking it so far..
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richiebee said:
I've never worked for a company that gives corporate credit cards to all its employees. I currently work for a small department (around 40 employees) of a large institution and two of us have corporate credit cards.

I don't understand why you need to be so angry when you reply.
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Don't be so obtuse, you don't need to hand corporate credit cards to all employees that would just be silly.

Most companies have departments that decide what new software/hardware is needed, they then give either a purchase order (in this case to the Apple sales Rep) the software is then downloaded and deployed across a network.

The reason people like you make me angry is the FUD you spread. In this case you either are totally ignorant of the way companies purchase and deploy software (which is OK) or are just trolling (more like it).
Here is how a large college will be rolling out Lion later this year.

1/ They will contact their Apple sales representative by phone and make a purchase order (no credit card needed)
2/ Apple send an invoice with a Key for downloading.

3/ The college I.T department then go to the App Store and put in the Key, where they will be directed to a 'download area' where a dmg is downloaded.

4? this disk-image is applied to machines over a network using server side tools.

No credit cards needed.
 
vdubreeze said:
Yidahoo said:
. The more I have been using it, the more I realise that it will revolutionise the way > people edit. But only for those that are willing to embrace change.
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You mean the way prosumers who are willing to change edit.
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Possibly. But maybe it's time for a change to a "non-linear editing" model whose fundamental characteristics and even terminology are still based on running strips of film through a Moviola or similar. It's called NLE, but the whole mindset of FCP 1 to 7 was linear, as is the case with Avid, PremPro et al.

Less than 10 years ago, oh how they sneered at FCP. Editing on a desktop computer (as opposed to dedicated hardware) was for prosumers only - real pros would carry on using high-cost specialist kit.

I don't like the way Apple has handled this (I think FCS/FCP7 should be supported and available for a period of transition). But I can see time for a change is here
 
It's not silly. Apple are changing their distribution options. It's not silly at all. The press release that announces Final Cut X claims that it is available through the App Store. It manages a paragraph on how Apple make the best personal computers in the world, but it mentions nothing of alternative distribution of Final Cut X. Since this is their first release that is only available as a download, that might have been a plan for them.
 
Mark Smith said:
Most companies have departments that decide what new software/hardware is needed, they then give either a purchase order (in this case to the Apple sales Rep) the software is then downloaded and deployed across a network.
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Can you point me to where it says this on Apple's web site? Where I work, we have two distribution points for Apple products. "Popular" titles, like iWork and OSX get purchased from our campus store, along with popular hardware like iMacs, Mac Books (and Pros), iPods and even some models of Mac Pro. Other software that doesn't fall into this category of "popular" (eg Logic, Final Cut, Aperture) and some consumer items that don't qualify for educational pricing (such as Mac Mini and iPad), are ordered directly through the Apple Store. In this case, I go to the Apple Store (online - we don't have a physical Apple store here) and purchase as a regular customer with my corporate credit card. We are not a big department. We don't buy in bulk.

If this distribution method continues, then that's fine, but it appears that it doesn't. When I go to the Apple Store, there is no option to buy Final Cut. When I go to the Final Cut page, the only option is to get redirected to the App store to purchase it. If I don't have the App Store, what am I supposed to do?
Mark Smith145430 said:
The reason people like you make me angry is the FUD you spread. In this case you either are totally ignorant of the way companies purchase and deploy software (which is OK) or are just trolling (more like it).
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The world is not out to get you. Or Apple. You should be less paranoid and less angry. It might help you live longer. I'm not so naive to think that I can singlehandedly take them down by giving them bad press. Grow up and stop being such a cry baby.
 
richiebee said:
It's not silly. Apple are changing their distribution options. It's not silly at all.
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You're wrong, Apple are changing distribution to via App Store FOR SINGLE USE ONLY.

Education and Businesses volume installs will work though the key and download system the currently use.
richiebee said:
The press release that announces Final Cut X claims that it is available through the App Store.
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Yes but it doesn't mean that volume users have to use the same methods.
richiebee said:
It manages a paragraph on how Apple make the best personal computers in the world, but it mentions nothing of alternative distribution of Final Cut X. Since this is their first release that is only available as a download, that might have been a plan for them.
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No that's wrong, nearly all business and colleges work on a download only system with software keys and server tools distribution, we do this regardless of whether this is Apple, adobe or Microsoft.
Everything is managed through packages and images, has been for years.

The App store is just electronic distribution, purchases are done though Apple sales reps who supply a key which sends you do a download area where a .dmg is downloaded for network distribution.
Final cut X works this way as will the forthcoming OS X Lion.

So yes you are being silly— but I assume ignorance of company/Edu purchase and software rollout rather than you just stirring the pot.
 
richiebee said:
Mark Smith said:
Most companies have departments that decide what new software/hardware is needed, they then give either a purchase order (in this case to the Apple sales Rep) the software is then downloaded and deployed across a network.
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Can you point me to where it says this on Apple's web site? Where I work, we have two distribution points for Apple products. "Popular" titles, like iWork and OSX get purchased from our campus store,
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Sorry that's silly you will not find any College or Business who go to a campus store to buy volume distribution, because it violates companies EULA in most cases. Companies and Education buy volume licenses, we then download the software (either from App store or ftp) then roll out over network based on package management. We don't buy physical media for install on individual machines.

For instance our CS5 Master edition has a site licence for £9,995 which we purchased from Adobe sales by phone. They sent us a key, we download the image and deploy to the workstations.

Here is some info on how the current Apple system works for business and education.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/58118078/US-OS-X-Lion-for-Business-and-Education-US-Version
 
It's never worked that way here. What you describe is how virtually all popular software is distributed on Campus - Mac and PC. But not Apple. With Apple software, whether ordered through the campus store or directly from Apple, there has always been a physical box delivered and we install ourselves.
Mark Smith said:
richiebee said:
It's not silly. Apple are changing their distribution options. It's not silly at all.
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You're wrong, Apple are changing distribution to via App Store FOR SINGLE USE ONLY.

Education and Businesses volume installs will work though the key and download system the currently use.
Mark Smith145430 said:
The press release that announces Final Cut X claims that it is available through the App Store.
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Yes but it doesn't mean that volume users have to use the same methods.
Mark Smith145430 said:
It manages a paragraph on how Apple make the best personal computers in the world, but it mentions nothing of alternative distribution of Final Cut X. Since this is their first release that is only available as a download, that might have been a plan for them.
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No that's wrong, nearly all business and colleges work on a download only system with software keys and server tools distribution, we do this regardless of whether this is Apple, adobe or Microsoft.
Everything is managed through packages and images, has been for years.

The App store is just electronic distribution, purchases are done though Apple sales reps who supply a key which sends you do a download area where a .dmg is downloaded for network distribution.
Final cut X works this way as will the forthcoming OS X Lion.

So yes you are being silly— but I assume ignorance of company/Edu purchase and software rollout rather than you just stirring the pot.
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