Fuji X100... disappointing, but really great review

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Congratulations to Andy Westlake for writing a fair and objective review of a camera that everyone wanted to love.

This must have been a painful task for Andy, since it was pretty obvious he was just as smitten as we were by the X100's stunning good looks and wonderful build quality.

The disappointment lies in the fact that good looks alone aren't enough. Especially at this price. Even the impressive image quality isn't enough. Because if nothing else, a compact camera with a fixed prime lens is supposed to be fast.

That's the whole point of permanently putting a great "all purpose lens" on a compact camera. You don't have to fuss and fiddle with changing lenses.

But instead you have to fuss and fiddle with slow write times, and slow responding buttons and controls... and clunky menus and firmware....

The X100 is like a beautiful woman who gets a pass on all her faults because she is so beautiful. Well, to be fair, Andy really did list all her faults, in elaborate detail, but he was still charmed enough to give her a Silver Award.

We all know that if this camera was good but ugly it would have ranked lower. Like a Sony NEX. Even an ordinary looking camera would have paid a higher price for the long list of bugs, quirks and poor design flaws.

And I would have done the same thing, because the image quality is really beautiful, and the design is really unique. It's just sad that it costs so much and has so many serious issues. I really wanted this to be a fast handling camera, so I could continue lusting after (and saving up for) one.

I think it took a lot of courage to write that review. It would have been very easy to write a glowing review, that would be soundly praised by everyone who already bought the camera.

What Andy effectively did was tell us the truth, as painful as it might be. Like a friend warning you that a beautiful girl has Herpes... before you ask her out! That's something only a real friend would do.

For now... I will just transfer my lust after the X200... which will be the exact same camera with all the bugs and quirks fixed! (Lets hope Fuji takes the hint).
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It would have been very easy to write a glowing review, that would be soundly praised by everyone who already bought the camera.
I don't understand that reasoning. Either the bugs are really something that gets in the way of photography, or not.

In the first case (which is Andy's position) those who bought the camera will be, by now, thoroughly frustrated by its quirky use, and will find the review just in tune with their experience.
In the second case, Andy is wrong, and the current owners will say that.
Anyway, looks like the opposite of what you state, doesn't it?

Furthermore, I am entirely convinced that dpreview's reviews are truthful, eventually wrong here or there, but stating their opinion, rather than playing for applause.
Am I right?
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But instead you have to fuss and fiddle with slow write times, and slow responding buttons and controls... and clunky menus and firmware....

The X100 is like a beautiful woman who gets a pass on all her faults because she is so beautiful. Well, to be fair, Andy really did list all her faults, in elaborate detail, but he was still charmed enough to give her a Silver Award.

We all know that if this camera was good but ugly it would have ranked lower. Like a Sony NEX. Even an ordinary looking camera would have paid a higher price for the long list of bugs, quirks and poor design flaws.
I agree that points for beauty were given, but that's an interesting choice of examples ... Of the NEX5, Michael Reichmann wrote:

"May I politely suggest that Sony have their NEX user interface designers be assigned window seats and that the company hire some new ones as quickly as possible?"

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I'm still conflicted by this camera.

I really love the design, the high build quality, and the extremely good IQ.
I want to own one.

But this review saved me $1200. Because this camera needs some serious fixing. The owners might have known about the quirks but the rest of us really didn't.

You really need handling speed for a street shooter. Lets face it.... no one will buy a fixed lens compact for birding, wildlife, sports photography, or action shots. The X100 looked like an ideal street shooter, and a good value when compared to the Leicas.

And speaking of Leica, this seems very much like the Leica M8 situation, in which Leica had to bring out the Leica M8.2 within a short time, causing the resale value of the M8 to drop quickly.

Oh well.... now I want that X200.
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I agree that points for beauty were given, but that's an interesting choice of examples ... Of the NEX5, Michael Reichmann wrote:
"May I politely suggest that Sony have their NEX user interface designers be assigned window seats and that the company hire some new ones as quickly as possible?"

When did Michael write that? Because from what I can see, Sony already did that - the original designers seem to have been sacked and new designers came in with a firmware update that fixed 90% of the problems with the user interface with software alone. The NEX controls are now perfectly usable for enthusiast users to get at all crucial settings quickly and without menu diving, through direct control buttons on the camera body - including drive mode, metering mode, ISO, DRO, White balance, flash control, and EV.

I only point this out because I fully agreed with Michael's opinion when the NEX came out - it was an atrocity and I wouldn't have touched one with a 10-foot pole. But once the X100 was announced, and I was drawn to it drooling with anticipation, I started thinking what I wanted and needed for a second compact body, and found myself taking a second look at the M4:3 and NEX cameras - while the Fuji was gorgeous, I had lingering fears that I'd quickly tire of being limited to a single focal length, and the ability of the mirrorless cams to use manual lenses gave them the ability to be nearly as tactile and classically controlled as the Fuji - a focus ring and aperture ring on the lens and shutter & EV on the body. Only then did I become aware of how the firmware had changed the NEX - it went from being a non-consideration while I considered the Panasonic options, to vaulting to the forefront when I was able to try the new firmware controls...the better sensor, better low light performance, and tilting LCD drew me over.

So I have to credit the Fuji X100 for guiding me to the NEX I eventually purchased to ride alongside my DSLR, and give full credit to the new designers who fixed the horrible NEX controls, turning the camera from a silly beginners P&S toy to a nice enthusiast camera.

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Not to derail, but the NEX was something I looked at seriously.

The dealbreaker for me was the crappy glass resulting in soft images.
 
I'm still conflicted by this camera.

I really love the design, the high build quality, and the extremely good IQ.
I want to own one.

But this review saved me $1200. Because this camera needs some serious fixing. The owners might have known about the quirks but the rest of us really didn't.
The quirks have been thrashed to death over the last 2 months. There is no serious fixing needed as it is in essence a very nice camera. The firmware issues can be annoying yes, but shooting the X100 is way nicer than shooting the Pens for example.

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indeed great review, and I really apreciate the hard work that went into investigating the small issues (and big issues). things like the camera locking up while file writing is something i've taken for granted lately, I never thought it would be a problem again (haven't experienced it since my Coolpix 5000). yikes.

And other things like the IQ when shooting high shutterspeeds, good job finding that oddity and exposing it, among other things.

great review, i also was very tempted by the good looks of the X100, and I still hope they sell well enough so Fuji continues to do similar more polished models. Maybe they can issue a firmware upgrade to help fix many of those firmware polish issues.

the image quality seems superb though!
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Because if nothing else, a compact camera with a fixed prime lens is supposed to be fast.
such as this one are not expected to be fast. It seems to be an engineering challenge. Apparently, you've not used a DPx, X1, or similar. Anyone with such experience had no expectations that the Fuji would have solved this performance problem.
 
I agree that points for beauty were given, but that's an interesting choice of examples ... Of the NEX5, Michael Reichmann wrote:
"May I politely suggest that Sony have their NEX user interface designers be assigned window seats and that the company hire some new ones as quickly as possible?"
When did Michael write that? Because from what I can see, Sony already did that - the original designers seem to have been sacked and new designers came in with a firmware update that fixed 90% of the problems with the user interface with software alone. The NEX controls are now perfectly usable for enthusiast users to get at all crucial settings quickly and without menu diving, through direct control buttons on the camera body - including drive mode, metering mode, ISO, DRO, White balance, flash control, and EV.
Ahhh - that's good. He wrote that last May.
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Not to derail, but the NEX was something I looked at seriously.
The dealbreaker for me was the crappy glass resulting in soft images.
I don't disagree at all - I don't often use the kit lens I bought mine with - 90% of the time, i've got some lovely old manual primes onboard which solves the glass problem for me. Of course, if you need AF, that's another story...I still couldn't have lived with the NEX as my only camera - there are too many situations where I need the focus speed and responsiveness of a DSLR. For me the NEX is a second body, with manual glass for fun/hobby/art shooting, and for that purpose, it's quite good. Pretty much the same thing I would have used the X100 for.

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Because if nothing else, a compact camera with a fixed prime lens is supposed to be fast.
such as this one are not expected to be fast. It seems to be an engineering challenge. Apparently, you've not used a DPx, X1, or similar. Anyone with such experience had no expectations that the Fuji would have solved this performance problem.
Which is the reason I never even considered buying a DPx or X1. I don't want a great camera that is slow and cumbersome to use. Others may feel differently, but this is just my preference.

My EP1 is very fast, and there are a few decent lenses available for it now. Plus I can use virtually any legacy lens that exists. But I'd rather have an X100, if these problems can be resolved with firmware upgrades or a MkII model. And hopefully, they will be solved.

One problem with the EP1 is the lack of a viewfinder. It doesn't even have the port to connect it with the optional one as an option. But even if it did, I just don't like the concept of optional viewfinders. It's just one more expensive part to lose, drop, or break, and it certainly makes a nice looking camera look like a kludge.

The built in EVFs, like the one the X100 has is a much more elegant and efficient solution.

I really would love having a high quality fixed lens camera with a great fast prime lens like the X100. But without all these issues.

The truth is... I don't need an interchangeable lensed compact. I have a DSLR for that.
I was looking for a really nice travel companion and street shooter....

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indeed great review, and I really apreciate the hard work that went into investigating the small issues (and big issues). things like the camera locking up while file writing
This is very interesting, because the F550EXR, a much less expensive camera, does not lock up when writing RAW or RAW+JPEG (provided there is space in the buffer).
 
My EP1 is very fast,
Imaging-resource says full-press shutter lag is .982 to 1.187 second, probably with 14-42 lens. That does not seem fast to me. Are you saying it is fast in other ways, or are these numbers wrong?
 
My EP1 is very fast,
Imaging-resource says full-press shutter lag is .982 to 1.187 second, probably with 14-42 lens. That does not seem fast to me. Are you saying it is fast in other ways, or are these numbers wrong?
Well... it sure beats 6 or 7 second lockups.

The AF speed of the EP1 was considerably slower before firmware version 1.4. Perhaps Imaging-resource was testing an earlier version?

All I know it it handles very quickly and intuitively, and that's that really matters to me.
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I'm still conflicted by this camera.

I really love the design, the high build quality, and the extremely good IQ.
I want to own one.

But this review saved me $1200. Because this camera needs some serious fixing. The owners might have known about the quirks but the rest of us really didn't.

You really need handling speed for a street shooter. Lets face it.... no one will buy a fixed lens compact for birding, wildlife, sports photography, or action shots. The X100 looked like an ideal street shooter, and a good value when compared to the Leicas.

And speaking of Leica, this seems very much like the Leica M8 situation, in which Leica had to bring out the Leica M8.2 within a short time, causing the resale value of the M8 to drop quickly.

Oh well.... now I want that X200.
Most of the problems are in the firm ware. Couple of months and they'll be fixed. Some of the design problems are simply not that bad. You own it, yiu get used to it, and it wont interfere with the photography.

I have to admit that I too was prepared to like this camera, but now I'm reassured that while my DP2 has problems - No need to replace it with this machine... :)

But if I had bundles of money, I'd buy it in a heart beat. The IQ is awesome.

Dave
 
Because if nothing else, a compact camera with a fixed prime lens is supposed to be fast.
such as this one are not expected to be fast. It seems to be an engineering challenge. Apparently, you've not used a DPx, X1, or similar. Anyone with such experience had no expectations that the Fuji would have solved this performance problem.
Which is the reason I never even considered buying a DPx or X1. I don't want a great camera that is slow and cumbersome to use. Others may feel differently, but this is just my preference.
I don't know about the DP1, but if you set the DP2 to manual focus, you can shoot at around 1fps indefinitely (well, I've only pushed it to eight shots) without the machine locking up. It DOES lock up in the three shot burst mode, and you have to wait for the card to write - But in manual focus mode, you can just leep shooting.

And of course in manual focus mode there is no apprciable shutter lag.

Dave
 
Maybe they should let the stylists, who did such a perfect job with the camera's looks, have at the functionality; they couldn't do much worse than the crew that actually did it.

But I really wanted a camera that looks so purposeful (and costs that much) to meet the expectations that it engenders; it just screams quick handling and easy full control, so it's pretty shocking to read that it runs more like a low-end P&S.

If they get it to shoot like a film Leica, Fuji could pry that $1200 out of me.

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