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IS The E510 Competitive With Today's Cams?
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papillon_65
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I'm not, but everything you are saying about this camera (dynamic range apart) is counter intuitive to my experiences of it. Clearly I'm not the only one. To say that it is noisy at low ISO's is so far off the mark it's not even funny. Take a look at some of the stuff Kernow posts here, do you see any noise issues with it?
I know this camera really well so, as I said, you've either got a faulty camera or you are just being provocative.
Your choice is really simple, if it doesn't do what you want or you don't use it then replace it with something that does, and that you will use.
The E-510 and E-500 are the most widely sold DSLR's Olympus ever produced, that should tell you something.
I'll happily agree on the dynamic range this camera has but some of the stuff you are coming out with is just nonsense.
If you think the E-510 is noisy at low ISO's I suggest you never pick up an E-600, E-620 or E-30.
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No, you are taking it really really really persona,, as you normally do anything here. On top of that, it was actually this forum (!) that even said that the camera is not known for its low light handling. But it shows the true value of the forum and how some people tell the truth, then the other group says that group is lying. All these forums have 180 degree things being posted about them.
Julian_K
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You seem to be very vague on what exactly your intended use of your camera is - can you be more specific?
You state that DSLR's aren't allowed in a lot of places you are going, then is your question really about the E-510's performance? It seems the decision is already made for you. I would challenge you to show some shots of a dark smoky concert from any compact camera producing acceptable results. Of course the 14-54mm and 50mm will produce better low light photos (through use of higher shutter speed) than your kit lens, it's simple mathematics.
Also there is really no reason at all why night photography shouldn't be at ISO 100 with use of a tripod. If you are expecting excellent results at night without the use of a tripod then you are really asking too much.
I could understand if you are raising all these issues if you were considering moving to a full frame system, but expecting a compact to produce good results at dimly lit concerts and at night without a tripod are totally unrealistic.
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You state that DSLR's aren't allowed in a lot of places you are going, then is your question really about the E-510's performance? It seems the decision is already made for you. I would challenge you to show some shots of a dark smoky concert from any compact camera producing acceptable results. Of course the 14-54mm and 50mm will produce better low light photos (through use of higher shutter speed) than your kit lens, it's simple mathematics.
Also there is really no reason at all why night photography shouldn't be at ISO 100 with use of a tripod. If you are expecting excellent results at night without the use of a tripod then you are really asking too much.
I could understand if you are raising all these issues if you were considering moving to a full frame system, but expecting a compact to produce good results at dimly lit concerts and at night without a tripod are totally unrealistic.
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papillon_65
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Not at all, just correcting your poor assessment of this camera. I use several different cameras from different brands, all have their strengths and weaknesses. I recommend you read this review, it pretty much covers everything. This is slightly out of date as noise reduction technology is much better now but it's a very accurate assessment of this cameras strengths and weaknesses.
http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/e510-rev.html
I'm not sure which part of this you didn't understand?
"It is not a high ISO camera but it certainly gives great results up to ISO 800 and you can get decent ISO 1600 shots with careful exposure and noise reduction software."
Perhaps you can show us some shots at low ISO's which display this noise you speak of? I'm happy to discuss them with you.
The E-510 is not a camera that you would naturally choose for low light shooting, but it can do it with the right lens, just as most DSLR's can.
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Tony
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I haven't been vague. Multiple threads out there. The factor is that yes, the compact will be used more, but before butthurt set in on the fanboys, the issue was to see how much I'd lose in other areas and if I'd ever have that remorse, outside of anything having to do with being more likely to carry the high end compact.
As far as the challenge of the dark, smoky clubs, go to any of the threads where I requested such pics (particularly the Samsung forum), and they will show you.
The rest I won't comment on because it's showing your poor english ability because then you started merging situations together to produce something I never said.
As far as the challenge of the dark, smoky clubs, go to any of the threads where I requested such pics (particularly the Samsung forum), and they will show you.
The rest I won't comment on because it's showing your poor english ability because then you started merging situations together to produce something I never said.
Iain Harper
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Fantastic pictures Julian. Did you shoot RAW and did you use expensive glass?
Iain.
Iain.
Julian_K
Senior Member
OK I'm still a bit lost but I'll try and summarise for you:
I'm not sure what parts of your response I made up, I generally speak English quite well most of the time (we do speak some form of English here in Australia) so apologies for that.
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- A high end compact will produce similar shots in low light to the E-510 with kit lenses. If you do not want to purchase any additional lenses, as well as enjoy the size of a compact, then that is the way to go.
- An E-510 with some faster glass will produce better shots than a compact.
I'm not sure what parts of your response I made up, I generally speak English quite well most of the time (we do speak some form of English here in Australia) so apologies for that.
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John King
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Wrong again, Green. These comments merely indicate yet again that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about; or you are just making mischief, for the sake of it.
Just because your eyesight is so poor that you cannot see anything you choose not to see; or can see anything you choose to see - does not make your observations any more correct than they are: which is to say, almost invariably wrong ...
Strange how you rarely "correct" or contradict anyone else's posts here other than mine and Riley's and a small number of others. Well, it would be strange if your objective was not so patently, in-your-face obvious ....
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Julian_K
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Thanks Iain - these were all shot in JPEG. Most of these are with the 40-150mm however some are with the 50-200mm and 50mm, there are a couple with the 11-22mm also, so I guess some of that glass is kind of expensive.
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Velocity of Sound
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I'm still not really sure what you're getting at with the megapixel count. A photo with a lot of detail at a low pixel count can be upscaled to match (and exceed) a photo taken at a higher megapixel count with less detail. If you'd like to do it yourself, look into software called "Perfect Resize" (previously called and better known as Genuine Fractals) - it's pretty impressive.
But a discussion of megapixel counts and "true resolution" isn't what you started the thread over, and it's one of those technicality discussions that can derail the entire conversation. If you'd like to go into more detail about it, we can. I won't pursue it further.
I admit that I have not used a high-end compact (like the Olympus XZ-1, Canon S95, or Panasonic LX5). Those cameras allow you to shoot in RAW (which gives you a lot of versatility over the photos, and was a feature previously limited to DSLRs) and seem to have pretty good lenses on them. Based on DPReview's image samples, the XZ-1 has sharpness that can match a DSLR (the others that I mentioned do not seem to), but you're taking a step back in ISO handling - the XZ-1 starts to get a bit ugly at ISO 800, while the S95 gets ugly at ISO 1600. You can process the noise yourself, of course.
From what I've seen, lower-end compacts have disappointing image quality compared to a DSLR. The images aren't bad , but the overall clarity and detail just isn't there. It probably has less to do with the sensor and more to do with the lens that's built in to the camera. Whether that matters or not depends on you. I'd be content to recommend a camera like that to someone like my sister, who wants something to take snapshots for memory's sake, to do light photographic applications like flower photography, and likely won't print any of her photos larger than 4x6. A camera like the XZ-1, let alone a DSLR, would be a waste for her.
Again, it all comes down to what you want out of your camera, and what you want to do with your photos (and what you expect from them). You could have the best, sharpest lenses in the world, but they won't look any better than most shots from a P&S if you're viewing them at small resolutions on a computer screen (unless you're cropping).
Having read over a few of your other responses to others in this discussion, I'd suggest shooting in raw and learning how to process your own images, if you aren't already. You can get more out of your camera that way, particularly in terms of dynamic range and high ISO performance. Dedicated noise removal software run on your computer can do a much better job of noise handling than the in-camera noise removal, and you can fine tune it to your preferences and to the scene.
blohum
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+1 to that, an excellent set of images... you certainly know how to get the best out the camera.
Vladimir Yanushkevich
Leading Member
but only at lo-ISO shots of static subjects
Yet you still continued to write that long pile of drivel?
papillon_65
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It certainly won't keep up with the 7D's of this world but it definitely can take action shots.
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Jon_T
Veteran Member
That may be, but I did not see anything posted by you in this topic . If you're asking for help and/or comments should not expect others to search through your previous posts in different forums.
I'm curious as to which compact(s) you feel can do as well (or better) than the E-510? Anyone who has used and/or read reviews on the Oly E-5xx DSLRs know that AF in low light/contrast conditions has always been a weak spot. Using the slow (small max apertures) kit lenses only compounds the problem.
I'll agree with you as to white balance, and color/chroma noise at 800 and 1600 ISO, you'll need to shoot RAW to get the full potential from the E-510's sensor.
Cheers,
Jon
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izubiaurre
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Good gallery, Julian.
I've enjoyed a lot of with your photos. And as say, the camera doesn't make the photograph. I still use my E-510 with the 2 lens kit and I'm very happy with them. I didn't have the need to shoot up to ISO 400 and the DR is a bit hard in strong contrast scenes, but there ND grad filters for that.
My little contribution to the cause:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/izubiaurre/
I've enjoyed a lot of with your photos. And as say, the camera doesn't make the photograph. I still use my E-510 with the 2 lens kit and I'm very happy with them. I didn't have the need to shoot up to ISO 400 and the DR is a bit hard in strong contrast scenes, but there ND grad filters for that.
My little contribution to the cause:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/izubiaurre/
Timskis6
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Tim
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sd40
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After reading the whole thing: Thread launched by malefactor, just to argue. I'm moving on.
Bobapingu
Veteran Member
Compacts certainly have their place but I predict you will be frustrated with the lack of dynamic range. The pics might look great but there will be more blacked out blacks and blown highlights. The thing with high ISO is that you have to get the exposure absolutely perfect in the camera and I stress, in the camera. This is why experienced photographers get great shots while newbies get a noisy mess.
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