YESSS...my brand new retro Fuji just arrived

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I have not yet figured out how to get to the games as I hate manuals and like to just play with the features and figure them out. I must do that though, the games are what elevate this camera to the truly weird status
I'm not going to tell you how to find the hidden virtual keyboard, but if you find it, type out "XYZZY".
Now you got me, first I have work out if you are taking the mickey then I have to find that bloody keyboard and type XYZZY
You have to be in the right location for xyzzy to work, otherwise nothing happens. Some might venture that the location is the state of Mind and you get there when you're feeling adventurous.

So much for clues. Here are the cheats. Xyzzy is best typed on a teletype. :)

http://www.rickadams.org/adventure/c_xyzzy.html
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=XYZZY
http://www.plugh.com/
http://www.rickadams.org/adventure/
http://www.rickadams.org/adventure/e_downloads.html
 
Who needs a teletype when an early desktop computer will do. Its surprisingly compact don't you think, considering its from the 1950's.





Actually i am just kidding, its not all that compact, here is a side view.



 
Interesting Desktop you have there.
10Khz ferrite core processor?

Seriously, which museum were you in, & do you know the make of that machine?
I fancy looking it up to read about etc.

Great pic :-)
 
Who needs a teletype when an early desktop computer will do. Its surprisingly compact don't you think, considering its from the 1950's.
Yes indeed, and I'd guess that its computing power wasn't all that much greater than the Bowmar Brain, an early four function hand calculator. Despite its reputation for slowness, compared with these, the HS10's CPU is a real powerhouse. The computer in your photo looks a lot like my college's local admin. computer in size and floor space, which I thought was an IBM 360/20, but from photos I've been looking at, it must have been an IBM 360/30, the smallest, slowest 'real' 360. It's CPU box was about 1/3 to 1/4 the size of the one in your photo, but there was a second large box (both standard IBM blue) that held secondary core memory. The photo (see below) looks somewhat like what I recall, but instead of the two disk packs, it had a bank of 9 of them, stacked two high. Only 8 could be online at a time, and the system op. had to replace disk packs as called for by whatever the school's admin. programs needed. One of my little pocket size external USB hard drives holds 4,000 times as much data as all of these disk packs stored.

I vaguely recall reading at the time that Intel's 8080 had more computing power, but it couldn't come close to matching the performance of the 360's I/O channels. I just found a description of the 360/30's computing power :
The slowest System/360 models announced in 1964 ranged in speed from 0.0018 to 0.034 MIPS;[1] the fastest System/360 models were approximately 50 times as fast[2] with 8 kB and up to 8 MB of internal main memory,[2] though the latter was unusual, and up to 8 megabytes of slower Large Core Storage (LCS).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360

I think that our 360's main memory was somewhere in the 32kB to 80kB range. This is how Intel and AMD computers-on-a-chip stack up in MIPS, one of the measures of CPU power :
Not only is tegra 2 faster than eniac, your pocket calculator is faster than eniac. Eniac was pitifully slow by modern standards. Here's a list of some processors, arranged by performance:

ENIAC: 0.05 MIPS
Intel 4004 (0.74 MHz): 0.097 MIPS
Intel 8080 (2 MHz): 0.5 MIPS
Intel 486DX (66MHz): 50 MIPS
Intel Pentium Pro (200MHz): 540 MIPS
AMD Athlon (1.2 GHz): 3560 MIPS
AMD Athlon FX-60: 19,000 MIPS
Intel Core 2 Quad QX6700: 50,000 MIPS
Intel Core i7 965: 76,000 MIPS
Intel Core i7 980x: 147,000 MIPS

As you can see, Eniac has been left in the dust pretty much ever since the invention of the integrated circuit. It's really quite amazing when you think about it, since at the time, it was the fastest available, and took up an entire room.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/296940-28-tergra-eniac



 
I can't remember what this baby was, Bllx08 reckons it was a IBM 360 but I have a feeling its an early British computer because this is from a display at the Science Museum in London.

Their computer display is very good and worth seeing if you visit London as it focuses on the very early aspects of computing.

The Computer Museum in Boston is much more extensive and goes right through pretty much all aspects of computing but its highlight for me was a big chunk of ENIAC, Americas first computer.

I think the memory on this unit was based on valves. Core came later and is associated with mini computers. I once saw a board of core from a HP minicomputer that was being repaired. I was told that the individual rings making up the core and which each had three wires running through them, were threaded by women by hand in South East Asia. This was because their hands were small and only they could do such intricate work.
 
I have been to both the Computer Museum in Boston and the much newer technology museum in San Jose. Of the two I much preferred the Boston museum. There was a room full of ENIAC components when I visited. It was impressive to say the least. Here are a couple of highlights for me from around the Science Museum in London.

This is the first Cray supercomputer which was designed with this shape to minimise the distance the internal wires have to travel thus speeding up the machine and yes the seat appears to be real leather.





This is an original component from Charle Babbages Difference Engine, the mechanical computer he conceived but could not complete during his lifetime due to the lack of existence of precision machine tools with which he could build it. This was long before electricity was available





Here is the complete working Difference Engine the Science Museum built 10 years ago or so to commemorate Babbages invention. There was a glare problem from the glass, sorry about that. The most amazing thing is that this unit even has a mechanical printer attached to it beyond the left side of the photo.





Finally here are some pictures of the worlds first automated machine, the Jaquarde loom invented in Lyon in France in the 1700's. It automated the process of making patterned silk cloth by feeding punch cards through the loom. The pattern on the cards told the loom which colour of silk thread to pick next.

Babbage was inspired by this loom to automate the calculation of arithmetic and of course the punch card card was used from the 1700's when this loom was invented right through to the IBM 360 you talked about from the 1960's. These punch cards were metal not paper and are joined together forming a chain so there was no need for a separate mechanical feeder. One pattern could have up to 24000 cards.

i noticed that no one stopped to look at the loom but this automated loom is father of the modern world as we know it and one of the most important inventions ever





In the second photo you can see the cards quite clearly



 
I can't remember what this baby was, Bllx08 reckons it was a IBM 360 but I have a feeling its an early British computer because this is from a display at the Science Museum in London.
Nah, yours was British beige and mine was too IBM blue and not quite as large unless all of the separate pieces are added in. The photo I included looked quite a bit like the one that I spent a lot of time near but never operated, although I sometimes put a new punched paper tape control loop on the system printer when the old one broke or wore out, or changed bulbs (like little 12v automotive bulbs used in tail lights) in the mag. tape units.

I think the memory on this unit was based on valves. Core came later and is associated with mini computers. I once saw a board of core from a HP minicomputer that was being repaired. I was told that the individual rings making up the core and which each had three wires running through them, were threaded by women by hand in South East Asia. This was because their hands were small and only they could do such intricate work.
It wasn't their primary computer, but a nearby high school had an ancient computer whose main memory was stored on a rotating drum, and from what I was told, programmers weren't free to write programs too distant from the metal. The bits of code had to be interleaved around the drum, spaced so that the next instructions read from memory (on the drum) were just approaching the read heads as they were needed to be fetched. If the code was poorly positioned on the drum, the programs would still work, but they'd run much more slowly. Talk about program loops!
 
Finally landed a nice E900 .. Yeah I know its built like a Toy, runs off 2 poxy AA batteries, the lens is horribly slow at the not very long end and it takes ghastly XD cards........ but it has the superb 1:1.6" 9Mp sensor frrom the S9600, Shoots RAW, the lens maybe slow but its wide-ish (32mm), tack sharp and full manual, takes lens adapters, has an OVF and a decent button array for a Fuji (unlike the superb F47FD which has that sensor and actually better JPG processing but is still crippled by the F20 lens, features and naff interface)

I tried one years ago and don't remember it being quite this fast (in all respects) or this cheaply made (the F20/47 etc are in a different world)

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A Problem is only the pessimistic way of looking at a challenge

 
It wasn't their primary computer, but a nearby high school had an ancient computer whose main memory was stored on a rotating drum, and from what I was told, programmers weren't free to write programs too distant from the metal. The bits of code had to be interleaved around the drum, spaced so that the next instructions read from memory (on the drum) were just approaching the read heads as they were needed to be fetched. If the code was poorly positioned on the drum, the programs would still work, but they'd run much more slowly. Talk about program loops!
When I was at Uni the computer science department had a UNIVAC that we accessed via punch cards. Over a 2 year period, I was allowed into the clean room to see the actual mainframe just once. It turned out that this computer used drum storage as well. Each drum storage unit was in a big cabinet. Basically the technology was similar to a hard drive in that it was magnetic storage over a rotating surface.

I never knew about the positioning of the code on the drum, that is really funny. One SD card probably has more storage on it than all the Drum units ever made put together and each one probably weighed 500 pounds or so. Amazing.
 
Thats a great find, the E series cameras had real diehard users as I recall. It will be interesting to see how well it performs compared to todays cameras.
 
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When I was at Uni the computer science department had a UNIVAC that we accessed via punch cards. Over a 2 year period, I was allowed into the clean room to see the actual mainframe just once. It turned out that this computer used drum storage as well. Each drum storage unit was in a big cabinet. Basically the technology was similar to a hard drive in that it was magnetic storage over a rotating surface.

I never knew about the positioning of the code on the drum, that is really funny. One SD card probably has more storage on it than all the Drum units ever made put together and each one probably weighed 500 pounds or so. Amazing.
Yeah, drums were used for early data storage. But the computer I'm talking about didn't use that kind of drum. I'm not even sure if it had any real data stores. The drums were used for code, almost like firmware. When I was briefly in the army, our "class" was shown part of our branch's data center. Some racks had very large plug-in cards that were used to supply the "program" instructions and other racks had banks of glowing nixie tubes. This was circa 1963/64 and I don't know if the equipment using the nixie tubes was operational, but the boards with the cords were. The programming was done by plugging in many cables, the kind switchboard phone operators used to use, but the wiring was much denser. My mom did this long before Lily Tomlin's character Ernestine learned the 'ropes', and when I was very young I recall seeing similar (but much larger) consoles operated by company receptionists.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9e3dTOJi0o
 
Thats a great find, the E series cameras had real diehard users as I recall. It will be interesting to see how well it performs compared to todays cameras.
I tested the high ISOs indoor and it shows more noise than the F20-31 series but also less melting of detail - it's obvious that the NR algorithm is less advanced than the F30/31 at 800 but at least it shows detail instead of blanket blurring everything like other cams ..

the Key I think is going to be RAW, it only locks the cam up for 4 seconds after the preview (Write light on time) so is usable - the issue is going to be RAW converter compatibilty, ACR (version which works in LE V6 anyway) isn't very good at all as it has way too much hidden and very crude NR which can't be disabled (though it did show that RAW could be excellent) , S7 is pants full stop with everything else so can't see the E900 being any different, Capture one doesn't work even after DNG'ing the files and RAW Therapee is so terminally slow at everything even on a Quad Core that you lose the will to live - I've not tried Rawshooter yet but I think the cam is too new for it .

DR from the E900 JPG engine looks very good, better than even the large sensor EXR cams (F/S200) in HR mode at base ISO and there's tons of detail (sharpening thankfully, unlike the F series cams be backed off and it needs it) ..

The battery system Sucks big time - whoever decided on 2AAs for a cam of this level needs a public flogging but I guess after they put in the feeblest of flashes, put in an LCD of even less Rez than the E550 one and made the lens a stop slower than the competition of the day (A620 etc) with less reach I guess they'd already earned eternal damnation - the E900 needed the quality build and rollerdial of the F800, 4AAs or better still the M603/F10/F11 NP120 Li-Ion, a flash which reaches further than the end of the lens and a hotshoe but at least the glass, processing and sensor are all of good quality and its not lacking manual features .

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A Problem is only the pessimistic way of looking at a challenge

 
Thats a great find, the E series cameras had real diehard users as I recall. It will be interesting to see how well it performs compared to todays cameras.
I tested the high ISOs indoor and it shows more noise than the F20-31 series but also less melting of detail - it's obvious that the NR algorithm is less advanced than the F30/31 at 800 but at least it shows detail instead of blanket blurring everything like other cams ..

the Key I think is going to be RAW, it only locks the cam up for 4 seconds after the preview (Write light on time) so is usable - the issue is going to be RAW converter compatibilty, ACR (version which works in LE V6 anyway) isn't very good at all as it has way too much hidden and very crude NR which can't be disabled (though it did show that RAW could be excellent) , S7 is pants full stop with everything else so can't see the E900 being any different, Capture one doesn't work even after DNG'ing the files and RAW Therapee is so terminally slow at everything even on a Quad Core that you lose the will to live - I've not tried Rawshooter yet but I think the cam is too new for it .

DR from the E900 JPG engine looks very good, better than even the large sensor EXR cams (F/S200) in HR mode at base ISO and there's tons of detail (sharpening thankfully, unlike the F series cams be backed off and it needs it) ..

The battery system Sucks big time - whoever decided on 2AAs for a cam of this level needs a public flogging but I guess after they put in the feeblest of flashes, put in an LCD of even less Rez than the E550 one and made the lens a stop slower than the competition of the day (A620 etc) with less reach I guess they'd already earned eternal damnation - the E900 needed the quality build and rollerdial of the F800, 4AAs or better still the M603/F10/F11 NP120 Li-Ion, a flash which reaches further than the end of the lens and a hotshoe but at least the glass, processing and sensor are all of good quality and its not lacking manual features .
Its interesting that the DR is so good. One definitely gets the feeling that advances in cameras tend to be two steps forwards and one step backwards. The lower NR also sounds like a big plus to me. I am not a RAW user but Fuji don't seem to have ever gotten a good grip on their RAW processing, so many complaints for so long.

I wish Fuji would do a large aperture EXR camera with a short wide zoom and a quality body.
 
For Lloydy and others that might be a little slow on the uptake, "That's a joke, I say, that's a joke, son."





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Its interesting that the DR is so good. One definitely gets the feeling that advances in cameras tend to be two steps forwards and one step backwards. The lower NR also sounds like a big plus to me. I am not a RAW user but Fuji don't seem to have ever gotten a good grip on their RAW processing, so many complaints for so long.

I wish Fuji would do a large aperture EXR camera with a short wide zoom and a quality body.
You'll be able to get this camera very soon. It's called the X100, and you wouldn't believe how short the zoom ratio is. The best part is that zooming is instantaneous, no slow, 'fly by wire' zooming here.
 

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