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I can't stand it when people make that mistake, so I'm going to comment here. Global warming is a phenomenon that is poorly named, and relates to a general increase of temperature throughout the world as an average. Not in every localized region. It also causes more drastic weather changes as well as more extreme temperature and weather patterns, rather than just making everywhere dry and hot like Arizona (as many people assume from the name).

As to the photo, It's a very nice shot.

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I was ready to say something also. I call the reaction you aptly described as : POCENTRIC. In this case Americanpocentric. :-( Wish we in the world would be more aware of the GLOBAL situation, case in point, Arctic and Antarctic ice, also reefs around the world. We humans and our carbon are changing the weather patterns.

But this is a photo forum so: Nice photo by the way :-)
HobbiesAreFun said:
I can't stand it when people make that mistake, so I'm going to comment here. Global warming is a phenomenon that is poorly named, and relates to a general increase of temperature throughout the world as an average. Not in every localized region. It also causes more drastic weather changes as well as more extreme temperature and weather patterns, rather than just making everywhere dry and hot like Arizona (as many people assume from the name).

As to the photo, It's a very nice shot.

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...is that apparently people don't have a sense of humor ;)

Now that said, a bit OT - "global warming" which has now magically changed to "climate change" might be true, but "man-made" climate change has yet to be proven.

That doesn't stop scumbags like Al Gore from getting extremely rich off the prospect, or the UN trying to strong-arm nations for billions of dollars to "fight environmental damage" while they simultaneously build extraordinarily extravagant buildings and pass off lucrative contracts to their closest friends.

Not once do the "warmists" admit the Earth could be cyclic in nature, and melting ice caps this decade or so just leads up to larger ice caps the next decade.

Instead, they trumpet on their their self-fulfilling prophesy of "climate change."

See, see!! All this snow is a result of global warming because the weather is strange!

Give me a break. With this philosophy anything that happens with the weather they can attribute to "climate change.". Yeah, no-freaking-duh, the climate changes. Prove to me man has anything to do with it (which they haven't). Until then, kindly STFU, get out of my face, quit telling me how to live, and quit taking my money.

( disclaimer - I'm all for being environmentally aware, recycling, but I don't buy man-made warming for a second)

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Really a beautiful photograph!! Where at in LA.

No snow in Lafayette - just a sleet storm/rain storm. Icy blue jay at the feeder - shot through the glass door.



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Mike
 
First, very nice photo. You have talent.

But second, there is no longer any scientific doubt about man made climate change. The evidence is overwhelming, and the scientific consensus is there. To deny man made climate change is like denying the earth goes around the sun, or denying evolution.

Denying climate change reminds me of when the tobacco industry tried to deny that smoking caused cancer. It's an ideological position with no grounding in reality.

The sad thing is that environmental damage may be prove very difficult to reverse, and so we need to act now and with a sense of urgency, so that future generations have abundant natural beauty to photograph.
 
I notice that people who like to talk about global warming a lot love to jump in and correctly point out the difference between "weather" (temporary and local) versus climate, which is long term and more global. It would be nice if the same folks didn't declare every local heat wave or drought to be the result of global warming then. I happen to believe that global warming IS taking place, but I grow weary of the lectures and the double standard. I think the OP was making a slight joke, and did not require a correction.

Respectfully,
Don
HobbiesAreFun said:
I can't stand it when people make that mistake, so I'm going to comment here. Global warming is a phenomenon that is poorly named, and relates to a general increase of temperature throughout the world as an average. Not in every localized region. It also causes more drastic weather changes as well as more extreme temperature and weather patterns, rather than just making everywhere dry and hot like Arizona (as many people assume from the name).

As to the photo, It's a very nice shot.

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Nice shot. I sure love living on Planet Earth, and photographing the wonders and beauty of nature, as well as the planets inhabitants. I agree that many "green" promotors are just in it for the profit, and Al Gore has shown a double standard, but I also feel that it is important to consider the big picture, and how man may be impacting our ecosystem.

If we look at the atmosphere as a finite measure, containing oxygen and other gasses, and then note over the last 100 years man starts pumping other components into the atmosphere (that are unique to man and not caused by the natural ecosystem), it only stands to reason that an effect, or effects not planned on might, and will occur.

Analogy: if you are a non-smoker, how much smoke can your lungs hold before you start coughing? How much smoke (and for how long) can your lungs hold before you die?

Logical conclusion: our Lungs have a finite capacity, our atmosphere has a much greater but still finite capacity. When will our atmosphere start coughing? When will our atmosphere die?
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Might is the key word there.

Again, I ask you please view this, about the first 20 minutes (forgive the cheesy intro).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Lf-56t1QA

It makes you think at least.

I'm Christian and in total agreement we should be good stewards of our planet - there is no question we could do a much better job. I'm all for using less and creating less waste and recycling what we can.

My problem is with people claiming anthropological global warming is proven when it most certainly is not. These same people then come and start bossing others around, demanding everyone follow their lead.

They quickly equate warming skeptics as "deniers" or even equate them with flat-earth society people in attempts to discredit anyone who disagrees with them instead of coming clean with their data.

It's absolutely amazing how some well-crafted photos and constant repetition that it's "fact" has swayed the public into believing global warming is absolutely true - when diving into the data collected by IPCC themselves yields different conclusions.

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JL Smith
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It is the REAL Scientist that say man made cabons are changing the world and making it warmer AND changing overall average temps. Talking heads with agendas are the nay sayers.

Look at the facts and science and quit listening to the limburgers and other right wing talking heads - they are the ones getting rich off the non science caca political talk.

The world climate is changing and all FACTS and SCIENCE point to mankinds carbon footprint since the industrial age.

Any other view is based on an opion given by non science and mostly right wing naysayers who by the way are getting very rich indeed.

Look at the science - very obvious.
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warming? It is a fact that has been mesured. The question is can man do somthing about it. I don't care weather we caused it or not but if we can control it we certainly should. Earth is all we have.
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Martin Greeson
 
The interesting part of the denial, that is hard to understand frankly, is that scientist around the globe are telling us that our carbon footprint is changing the global weather patterns and raising the global avearge temerature, but funny how the largest group in denial is one U.S.A. Party and their talking heads who are not scientist and have no background in these subjects, but are adamently in denial. I sure can't understand how they made this "political" at OUR peril.

Yes, of course it has been measured. The longer we are in denial the harder or impossible to change.

Earth, our animals, reefs, lots in danger, eventualy ourselves as well. The fix is relatively easy but will cost all of us - but hard to start in the U.S. - when it is made "political."
Martin Greeson said:
warming? It is a fact that has been mesured. The question is can man do somthing about it. I don't care weather we caused it or not but if we can control it we certainly should. Earth is all we have.
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"Might is the key word there".

I disagree, I think the key words are how much, and when.

How much will it take to cause our atmosphere to start coughing? When will our atmosphere die (or perform an upheaval that rids the planet of the polluters)?
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