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I have been using Adobe Photoshop since beta 1 to the present.

Adobe allowed students to buy their software with an Educational discount. Photoshop has been selling at $999 but students can buy it at $189.00

Students that got greedy bought the suite at $399 because the got over $2000 worth of software in that package. I tell my students about how the upgrades work and it has always worked this way since they started packaging the suites. It was never hidden. I did ask the adobe reps at a rollout when the first suites came out about upgrades and they said that what ever route you picked you must stay on that path. I have seen deals where you can upgrade to a suite but never backwards.
 
riwong said:
I have been using Adobe Photoshop since beta 1 to the present.

Adobe allowed students to buy their software with an Educational discount. Photoshop has been selling at $999 but students can buy it at $189.00

Students that got greedy bought the suite at $399 because the got over $2000 worth of software in that package. I tell my students about how the upgrades work and it has always worked this way since they started packaging the suites. It was never hidden. I did ask the adobe reps at a rollout when the first suites came out about upgrades and they said that what ever route you picked you must stay on that path. I have seen deals where you can upgrade to a suite but never backwards.
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1. The whole suite upgrade thing is not made clear in most campus stores. In fact, material from Adobe strongly suggests and pushes suite purchases and hints at no downsides.

2. Most campus stores don't even keep anything other than standalone photoshop in stock

3. Many campus stores charge about the same price for the non-master suites as you could order any single individual program out of the suite from an educational discount website

given 1, 2 and 3 is it any wonder than many students get a suite even when they don't need to? instant access, no documentation and forms to bother preparing and faxing out, basically the same price, no warnings

To get out of the suite after graduation actually means more total money spent than if they had never gone suite to begin with, in some cases.
 
bronxbombers said:
To get out of the suite after graduation actually means more total money spent than if they had never gone suite to begin with, in some cases.
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I mean it always does compared to what they could've done had they known and taken more careful advantage of student pricing but they can even end up worse than having never even used the student discount at all under some scenarios
 
bummer.

they should let users upgrade to just one program. Then if the want the upgraded siute down the road, pay full price for the suite.

I'm not understanding their logic. But I only bought pscs -- now on version 4, and lightroom -- now on version 3
bronxbombers said:
bronxbombers said:
To get out of the suite after graduation actually means more total money spent than if they had never gone suite to begin with, in some cases.
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I mean it always does compared to what they could've done had they known and taken more careful advantage of student pricing but they can even end up worse than having never even used the student discount at all under some scenarios
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or at the least trade back the suite, disable the registration codes and allow it to be traded in for a single program

anyway at least they do offer student discounts, so if you know what is up and don't make mistakes it can be good
MAC said:
they should let users upgrade to just one program. Then if the want the upgraded siute down the road, pay full price for the suite.

I'm not understanding their logic. But I only bought pscs -- now on version 4, and lightroom -- now on version 3
bronxbombers said:
bronxbombers said:
To get out of the suite after graduation actually means more total money spent than if they had never gone suite to begin with, in some cases.
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I mean it always does compared to what they could've done had they known and taken more careful advantage of student pricing but they can even end up worse than having never even used the student discount at all under some scenarios
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BenT said:
I have now learned (the VERY hard way) that Adobe will not allow me to buy the upgrade version of Photoshop CS5. If you own a suite, you can only upgrade the entire suite, with my minimum cost being $499.00!!!
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You are under the wrong impression that any company would allow you to upgrade a single component of a package that you bought. And if you buy the latest stand alone Photoshop program, aren't you likely to pay at least $500? Same goes for a different graphics/photo program bought new. If you use minimal "elements" of photoshop, look into Photoshop Elements 8 for $80 to $99.
BenT said:
Well, I just ceased to be an Adobe supporter, and may very possibly become a bootleg software user, because I think Adobe is simply being GREEDY beyond reason!
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Hmm, chill out?
BenT said:
I bought an upgrade that I can't use. MAYBE Adobe will refund my money, but in any case, I won't be a legal user of Photoshop CS5.
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You have software you can upgrade, but you don't want to. That's the end of it. We might send your info to Adobe to scout for pirated software then. ;)
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Robert Hoy said:
BenT said:
I bought an upgrade that I can't use. MAYBE Adobe will refund my money, but in any case, I won't be a legal user of Photoshop CS5.
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Robert Hoy said:
You have software you can upgrade, but you don't want to. That's the end of it. We might send your info to Adobe to scout for pirated software then. ;)
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You intend to nark off some guy who's just spouting off cause he's a bit mad. I bet you were a tattle tale as a child as well.

You shounld be more concerned with the DOJ enforicing the Sherman act upon Adobe's mopnpoly. Also the our anti trust legislation gets updated for the digital age.
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glasswave said:
Robert Hoy said:
BenT said:
I bought an upgrade that I can't use. MAYBE Adobe will refund my money, but in any case, I won't be a legal user of Photoshop CS5.
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glasswave said:
You have software you can upgrade, but you don't want to. That's the end of it. We might send your info to Adobe to scout for pirated software then. ;)
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You intend to nark off some guy who's just spouting off cause he's a bit mad. I bet you were a tattle tale as a child as well.

You shounld be more concerned with the DOJ enforicing the Sherman act upon Adobe's mopnpoly. Also the our anti trust legislation gets updated for the digital age.
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How is Adobe a monopoly when there are many other photo programs out there? Software is not a commodity like owning 90% of oil production or diamond resources. Microsoft is far more of a "monopoly" with its operating system than Adobe is with the software they've developed and bought out.
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How about the new ACR which only plugs into the latest release of PS?

You would think that if someone paid Adobe more than 600 bucks for PS compatibility would be assured for at least a couple of years. Is Adobe really expecting me to pay another 600 bucks for this new plug-in ???
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This subject has been done to death. If you are talking about support for a camera that is released after the release of a new version of PS, there is adequate support through the free DNG converter. If you're talking about new features, improved conversion, well that is what paid updates are about.
Gerry Pasternack said:
How about the new ACR which only plugs into the latest release of PS?

You would think that if someone paid Adobe more than 600 bucks for PS compatibility would be assured for at least a couple of years. Is Adobe really expecting me to pay another 600 bucks for this new plug-in ???
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Well, for 600 you get the whole suite with all its updates, not only one part of PS
 
When I was setting up my new PC a few weeks ago, I wanted to put Flash into Firefox.

And to do so, I see that the new standard procedure now includes first installing something called the "Download Manager".

This is an Adobe tool that will permit you to download the Flash module to your PC.

As if Firefox doesn't already have a perfectly fine tool for managing downloads.

And even with shutting down my PC, I see the machine is hesitating a bit while it terminates some Adobe software that is running from boot time. Even if I don't need it.

They seem like a company that is trying to take over my PC.

When Steve Jobs was saying last spring that the iPhone won't run Flash, I thought he sounded a bit odd ... but now I am seeing, I want to live in a world where I can avoid Adobe completely.

Probably some problem at the top of the company. Bad management. They don't even see all the enemies they are creating with their desire to take over everything.
 
Yeah, it's lame you can't upgrade to a new version with a downgrade in the license type, but it's their product and they can and will do what they feel is appropriate. And, not to discredit the value of money, but Photoshop for all practical purposes is professional software. A couple hundreds bucks should not be a make or break endeavor (I'm still trying to figure out how some of our engineering software licenses are justified at $30,000 per year per seat).
 
This may be a stupid question bt do you have a PS CS or later disk? Have you tried using that Serial # to activate CS5? I have Master Suite CS3 but just upgraded PS to CS5. My suite is still here but I also have PS CS5.

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When you mentioned Campus Store I am wondering if the problem is buying a student/educational version of the software. These are generally not eligable to be upgraded.
 
If the Adobe agent I spoke with this morning regarding LR 3 is correct, you can upgrade a student version at retail price when a new version is available and you no longer are a student. "Absolutely" was his response. So, as a student, I bought LR 3 for $89 and intend to upgrade it when no longer a student.
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dlkeller said:
When you mentioned Campus Store I am wondering if the problem is buying a student/educational version of the software. These are generally not eligable to be upgraded.
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No, it is not that at all, they are 100% eligible for upgrades.

I did upgrade the Premiere Pro suite this time but I said forget it the InDesign when they insisted I could only upgrade the entire suite and could not trade it in for a single product license, $500 is a bit much to upgrade one program a few months later.
 
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