What if there is just an A7X and no A7XX?

when you shoot macro have you ever felt if you could magnify a particular part of bug or something to check if everything you want is in focus real time as you do in back LCD of your camera after shooting soemthing?
Nope - I've managed perfectly well with my A700 OVF, and every optical viewfinder before that. I can understand that some of the current tunnel OVFs don't lend themselves to such ease of use, but I'm not interested in a comparison with them.

Neither do I need a virtual horizon to tell me if I'm straight or not, or an overlaid histogram to tell me if exposure is OK. All I want is a viewfinder with the clarity, resolution and 'refresh rate' of my A700 viewfinder. If an EVF can do that optical job just as well, then great - but adding techno bells and whistles as some form of compensation for not being a match for OVF in other respects, or simply to attract the point & shoot brigade, means nothing to me.
 
Walt has a proven record as a photographer with a great deal of technical expertize.
with words on this forum .......i would love to see the theorie in practical photographic examples.

also keep playing the same record over and over again will lead to nothing ....if one thinks that Sony is basing his strategy and RD what is said in this very forum well i have my thoughts ............Sony is going his own way like they alway's have done.
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tom
 
I've said that I will try the A55 to see how much the EVF has improved.

I don't consider my dislike of EVFs to be due to a negative or conservative nature.
The same applies here, I'm not a negative person or particularly conservative. What I am is a scientist, I think about things and analize them. And don't stuff problems under the rug.
To date, I have not enjoyed using them (and I thought I would because I like the idea of lots of shooting info and gridlines in the VF).
Same here, I have a bridge camera, Sony HX1. One of a long line of EVF cameras I've used secondary to my main quality gear which is DSLR. I have worked around the compromises imposed by EVF in those cameras, but as long as I don't have to deal with those compromises in DSLR I'll choose not to.
I can't put into words what I don't like, except that I still have problems manually focusing with them, and I don't with my A700 (although the A700 OVF is not the best in the world, in fact it is the lowest quality OVF I would accept).
Yesterday I was shooting buzzards in flight, with MF on my a700 and hand-held just routine plinking around shooting. Need the speed of light OVF for that. And the clear unobstructed uninterpreted view of OVF.
A lot of people have stated that what they see in the EVF is what they get in the final image. I accept that my visual perception may be screwed up, but I find I can visualize the final result better through a good OVF, much better than through an EVF. It surprised and disappointed me, but that's how it is.
Consider that the EVF is a uncalibrated color display. With a time delay.

And yes, I too can visualize the final result better with a good OVF. I only have to learn what the lens does to the image, and that does not shift.
I will keep checking EVFs as they develop, someday I expect they will have one I like, or they will degrade the OVF enough that I will have to like it.
I think the latter is most likely. I think it will become all EVF without ever coming close to a quality OVF. That will be limiting in my photography but there will be no choice. That's the theme of this modern stuff, NO CHOICE.
Additionally, I'm not convinced that adding a pellicle mirror in the optical path so the camera can have PDAF is a great idea. I am an engineer, one of my responsibilities is to review new technologies and evaluate the pluses and minuses they bring, and then to rate them as to potential impact. Where there are potential negatives (and not the "but an asteroid might crash on it" type), I have to find out why it is not a significant issue.

With the pellicle, I have identified a number of potential longer term issues. I intend to wait (I don't have a need the special features the Axx brings) and see what user experience is and if any of my issues are significant. I'm not going to list them cause I don't want to start the next war, and they are my concerns.
The pellicle is really not what they have, a pellicle would have been better optically. Even among fans some issues have surfaced, and I expect more will.
Quite frankly, I might have had interest in video when my kids were growing up, but I have no interest in it now. The last time I saw a photographer shoot at 10 frames a second (EOS1V), I laughed my Axx off. I actually have more interest in the Fuji 3D camera, but based on the reviews of the last version, they have a lot to prove before I would buy it.
My position as well. It would take a far, far better video camera to be used about the only place I might, doing nature recording combining video with the audio. And I'm already having to phase out some of my nature recording due to my own hearing aging. So not investing much in my nature recording system anymore.

And I shoot each frame separately controlled and composed. No use for 10FPS, or even much lower machine gun rates.
I have bought new tech cameras in the past because they were going to bring great things. Most of them have been disappointments, and I ended up donating them or giving them as presents. Some were very enjoyable and I use them. But I don't just jump in just because its new tech, or the company, or a reviewer, or a person who hasn't used it says its the greatest thing. I didn't jump in with the KM7D or the Sony A700, but waited until the smoke cleared and issues were resolved, and I am a lot happier than those who were early adopters.
New is not automatically better, it's a new set of compromises. In this case adding video & LV (and EVF) have added new compromises while fixing almost nothing for still photography.

Walt
 
Well, I'll keep shooting with my current cameras till I think they're not enough for me and/or they die. Then I'll see what the options are and decide what to do.
not enough , funny,you are joking , right?

the A55V is already much better a cam than the A700 or anything else with an APS-C CMOS.
There's a lot to being "enough" which has to do with subjective as well as objective criteria. And I don't see how anyone can say they are as good as or better than any other camera until they have actually been used. Right off I'd say they have better LV and video than the A700, but worse OVF and AF/MF controls. Those may or may not be important to you (subjective), but those and other things are to other people.
understand it but you should realize all future cameras will soon be EVF.
No, I thought that all future cameras were going to be mirrorless NEX cameras:^)
Before digital cameras, all SLRs had the same IQ. But there were many brands and models that appealed to different needs. Not everybody bought EOS1V's or F5's. But consumer cameras had just as good IQ. Today, for most applications all DSLRs have essentially the same IQ (I don't worry about ultra high ISO or video) except for an occasional screw up of a new camera. So I pick my camera based on user interface and features I use. The A55 specs are not good enough for me. I don't know about the A77.
I never used film so before digital is irrelevant, I understand your analogy , though.

However, the feature set of the A55V if you see it without prejudice , it is almost just as good or better spect than any APS-C cam from any maker.
There are features on my A700 that I find critical for some of my shooting and some that are nice to have that I enjoy using. Unfortunately these features do not exist on the 5 series cameras. That's why I say maybe A77.
I think if you use the A55 finder , it becomes hard for you to go back to normal tunnel APS-C finder.
I acknowledge that there are some advantages to an EVF, and that is why I keep trying new cameras with them. However, I still can not compose, visualize, and manually focus as well or as quickly as I do with my A700 OVF. If I was using an A2xx, A3xx, or A5xx, it might be a different story. Note that composing & visualization are subjective things, some people visualize better with an EVF, I don't. Also the way I learned focusing, I prefer (so far) focusing through an OVF (without focusing aids).
Only OVF as good as the EVF in the A55V I know is my D700 but it is not much better.
I have heard that the D700 is even better than the A700. One day I may try one.
And in few years , EVF will be much better.
I don't want to sound sarcastic, but I have been reading that since 1999 - hopefully it will be.
 
Please, please tell me that he isnt going on and on about stripped features, no true a700 replacement, blah, blah, because he needs all that crap to take pictures of frogs?
Walt has a proven record as a photographer with a great deal of technical expertize.
with words on this forum .......i would love to see the theorie in practical photographic examples.

also keep playing the same record over and over again will lead to nothing ....if one thinks that Sony is basing his strategy and RD what is said in this very forum well i have my thoughts ............Sony is going his own way like they alway's have done.
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He has a website; google is your friend.

tom
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Sony a500 - Sigma 10-20 - Minolta 28/2.8 - Sony 50/1.8 - Zeiss 16-80 - tamron 70-200/2.8 - extension tubes - Kenko teleplus300 1.4TC - HVL42 (x2)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lylegenykphotography/
 
At least its not cats:^)
Please, please tell me that he isnt going on and on about stripped features, no true a700 replacement, blah, blah, because he needs all that crap to take pictures of frogs?
Walt has a proven record as a photographer with a great deal of technical expertize.
with words on this forum .......i would love to see the theorie in practical photographic examples.

also keep playing the same record over and over again will lead to nothing ....if one thinks that Sony is basing his strategy and RD what is said in this very forum well i have my thoughts ............Sony is going his own way like they alway's have done.
--
He has a website; google is your friend.

tom
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Sony a500 - Sigma 10-20 - Minolta 28/2.8 - Sony 50/1.8 - Zeiss 16-80 - tamron 70-200/2.8 - extension tubes - Kenko teleplus300 1.4TC - HVL42 (x2)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lylegenykphotography/
 
That's exactly my point - we've been hearing the same whines, in the same condescending and arrogant tone
Did it ever crossed your mind that your posts could be perceived as arrogant
Yes - and if anyone ever accuses me of being arrogant or condescending in a specific post, I will consider it and apologise if appropriate (as I have done in the past).
You mean like in this one?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1037&message=36253459

Just saying, I did not see him behave like he is accused before. And I am not seeing it now. I see him have a firm position on what he wants for himself. And I see him get consistently attacked for his desires, as well as what other read into his posts, regardless of whether he says what they perceive that he says or not.

Not directed at you specifically, because there is plenty of that activity directed at him to go around.

Just sayin'.
 
because there is plenty of that activity directed at him to go around.
Well, I think one has to ask the question - why should that be the case?

It's not my job to go looking for examples of his condescending attitude towards others - those that are not an Advanced Amateur, as he likes to style himself - but mark my words, there are plenty of such examples.

He is, I suppose, in the priviledged position of win-win. If Sony ever do launch an A750 with all the bells and whistles that he needs, he can immediately go out and buy up half a dozen which should see him through to the end of his photographic life and he can slink out of here with no further complaints. If on the other hand, Sony do not play ball, he can take great delight in telling us all that he was right and that we were wrong.
 
Seriously, I hope you are never treated by a group of people for what you believe is right for yourself and your own personal wants and needs as others (including you as you have shown over your last couple posts on this topic) are treating him.

The painfully ironic thing is that you are consistently missing my point, and at the same time proving it by your consistent assault on Walt.

I truly hope that you, and the others behaving in such a manner, are capable of seeing that someday.

Good luck.

chad
 
The same applies here, I'm not a negative person or particularly conservative. What I am is a scientist, I think about things and analize them. And don't stuff problems under the rug.

Walt
I asked you not long ago whether you would prefer a camera with MLU or one designed not to need it. Your answer was the one with an OVF - period. Negative, beyond conservative and totally unscientific. - TF
 
The painfully ironic thing is that you are consistently missing my point, and at the same time proving it by your consistent assault on Walt.
You're right, I don't know what point you're trying to make - other than defending the indefensible. You said yourself that you haven't paid much attention to Walt's posts for over a year. Well, plenty others have. As I said, it's not my place to provide you with examples of his utterly condescending and arrogant attitude towards others - there are plenty of them. Disagreeing and having a debate with someone is one thing - treating those who lack his knowledge and expertise as inferior is quite another.
 
The same applies here, I'm not a negative person
I'm sorry, but :) :) :)
You foolishly think that anything I say describing how a piece of equipment works makes me a negative person?

Not so, and I don't jump in praising things excessively because this forum has plenty of folks doing that. I try to provide balance in the information.

Walt
 
I asked you not long ago whether you would prefer a camera with MLU or one designed not to need it. Your answer was the one with an OVF - period. Negative, beyond conservative and totally unscientific. - TF
And it's scientific to prefer only EVF?

If preferring an OVF is negative, then so is EVF by your logic.

I answered the question you were actually asking, you were promoting EVF.

Walt
 
You are perceived as being negative and have been rude when you have told people to shut. You may not see yourself as such but that is how you come across.
 
But it seems to me that since you've made it quite clear you will never use any other Sony camera than an a700, it is quite inappropriate for you to continue to fill these boards with your whines about Sony and their other cameras.
Where did you get that? Right this instant that's true, because there is no other Sony camera that fits my uses. But even now it's faintly possible that will change.

The axx are not every other camera by a very long ways.

Walt
 
You are perceived as being negative and have been rude when you have told people to shut. You may not see yourself as such but that is how you come across.
Yes I do respond at times to the abuse I receive. I'm quite sure so would you in my position. Or do you think asking an abuser politely will do any good? Tried and it did not. So I can hand it back if necessary. And I can escalate that even more if necessary.

Walt
 

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