Help please with lens for D60

sandra mills · Oct 23, 2002

Help please

I have decided on the D60 (Not getting it until the end of November) BUT am having awful trouble with the lens

I need a lens that will allow me to take great indoor shots of my daughter, so I will only have natural (at this time of year there is not much) and artificial lighting, also she does not sit still for very long. I have not even looked at the available flashes – do not really want to get into that yet.
It is her birthday coming up so really want to get some excellent pictures.

I want to keep the cost down but really want the quality, (dos’ent everyone) the ones that I have been looking at are as follows: -

50mm 1.8 price £80 this seems to be a lens that everyone has.

Would the 28 – 135 IS USM at £350 be good enough for this type of lighting – it seems to be a good all round lens? If I got this one any tips on settings to use??

28 – 70 L USM £800 I know from the forum that this is an excellent lens, still seems to be expensive at the moment (not sure how low it will go because of the new lens coming out). I might be able to afford only one L at the moment.

I already have the 75 – 300 USM 4-5.6 which is about 10 years old, BUT not sure if it is a good enough zoom for wildlife photography I was thinking of the 70 – 200 L USM f4 I have found this for new for £650 not sure if this is a deal too good to miss?????. I will not be using any tripods etc

If I got the 28 – 135 would I still need the 70 – 200 L because it seems that the length is already taken up with this one, do people usually overlap the ranges???

Has anyone any idea of the actual length of the barrel of the zoom in cm, both at the closed and extended range?

Also any idea if hoods or filters are needed to protect the lens if so any preference to which?

I am very new to Digital SLR photography so would appreciate any help you can give a newbie.

Phil B. · Oct 23, 2002

I have a Sigma 24-70 2.8 lens that is very good in low light and sharp. I got mine through Delta International for around $340 US.

sandra mills said:
Help please

I have decided on the D60 (Not getting it until the end of
November) BUT am having awful trouble with the lens

I need a lens that will allow me to take great indoor shots of my
daughter, so I will only have natural (at this time of year there
is not much) and artificial lighting, also she does not sit still
for very long. I have not even looked at the available flashes
– do not really want to get into that yet.
It is her birthday coming up so really want to get some excellent
pictures.

I want to keep the cost down but really want the quality,
(dos’ent everyone) the ones that I have been looking at are
as follows: -

50mm 1.8 price £80 this seems to be a lens that everyone has.

Would the 28 – 135 IS USM at £350 be good enough for this
type of lighting – it seems to be a good all round lens? If I
got this one any tips on settings to use??

28 – 70 L USM £800 I know from the forum that this is an
excellent lens, still seems to be expensive at the moment (not sure
how low it will go because of the new lens coming out). I might be
able to afford only one L at the moment.

I already have the 75 – 300 USM 4-5.6 which is about 10 years
old, BUT not sure if it is a good enough zoom for wildlife
photography I was thinking of the 70 – 200 L USM f4 I have
found this for new for £650 not sure if this is a deal too good to
miss?????. I will not be using any tripods etc

If I got the 28 – 135 would I still need the 70 – 200
L because it seems that the length is already taken up with this
one, do people usually overlap the ranges???

Has anyone any idea of the actual length of the barrel of the zoom
in cm, both at the closed and extended range?

Also any idea if hoods or filters are needed to protect the lens if
so any preference to which?

I am very new to Digital SLR photography so would appreciate any
help you can give a newbie.

Teppo Hytönen · Oct 23, 2002

sandra mills said:
50mm 1.8 price £80 this seems to be a lens that everyone has.

I sure wish I had it

sandra mills said:
I already have the 75 – 300 USM 4-5.6 which is about 10 years
old, BUT not sure if it is a good enough zoom for wildlife
photography I was thinking of the 70 – 200 L USM f4 I have
found this for new for £650 not sure if this is a deal too good to
miss?????. I will not be using any tripods etc

Hmm, well 300mm isn't exactly plenty for wildlife shooting. I mean, I have the 75-300mm f4/5.6 II, and at the minimun focusing range (1.5m) a small bird just fits within the coverage area. Though of course the D60 would 'convert' the 300mm to.... what, 480mm? which my EOS 600 does not do. But still, for bird shooting you'd probably want at least up to 600mm. So maybe the 1.4x extender with the 75-300? Though quality might suffer quite a bit. And also at that amount of tele, you really do need a tripod.

I've just taken a batch of full zoom bird shots without tripod with the EOS 600, will see in a day or two how they came out. I had shutter speeds from 1/250s to 1/45s. No tripod, just braced myself against a window frame. I'm not expecting most of the shots to be very good...

sandra mills said:
Also any idea if hoods or filters are needed to protect the lens if
so any preference to which?

Well the UV filter is always a good idea. I'd need a good hood myself...

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Teppo @ Finland

Tony Vasco · Oct 23, 2002

sandra mills said:
When choosing a lens for the D60, multiply its focal length by 1.6. It seems a minor detail but i can assure you that it isnt. It's "built this way" and it's not a feature you can switch on or off. Your telephotos will benefit but you have to go low for normal to wide angle, or further away from the kid. So IMHO, 28mm, if not lower, has to be in your lens collection.

Hope that helps
Tony
the Greek islands.

sandra mills · Oct 23, 2002

Tony Vasco said:
Tony Vasco said:

When choosing a lens for the D60, multiply its focal length by 1.6. It seems a minor detail but i can assure you that it isnt. It's "built this way" and it's not a feature you can switch on or off. Your telephotos will benefit but you have to go low for normal to wide angle, or further away from the kid. So IMHO, 28mm, if not lower, has to be in your lens collection.

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Thanks Tony

Looks like it must be the 28 - 135IS USM and the 50mm 1.8. will these be good for low light inside shots........

Regarding the other lens 70 - 200 L USM f4 does anyone know if

650 pounds is a good price and is the lens better then any other for the purpose I want to use it.( Normal photography zoo shots etc ). Can you use the converters on the lens and does it interfere with the quality/weight?.

I have the 75 – 300 USM 4-5.6 which is a lens about 10 years old, BUT not sure if it is a good enough zoom . I was thinking of the 70 – 200 L USM f4 some time ago, but always thought that over £1100 in the UK was too rich for me.

If I got the 28 – 135 would I still need the 70 – 200 L because it seems that the length is already taken up with this one, do people usually overlap the ranges???

Has anyone any idea of the actual length of the barrel of the zoom in cm, both at the closed and extended range?

Also any idea if hoods or filters are needed to protect the lens if so any preference to which?

At the moment I am thinking that I do not want too many lenses to carry around - weight etc plus a young daughter in tow.

Adam-T · Oct 23, 2002

sandra mills said:
50mm 1.8 price £80 this seems to be a lens that everyone has.

and well worth the money - L quality output from Rebel priced lens

sandra mills said:
Would the 28 – 135 IS USM at £350 be good enough for this
type of lighting – it seems to be a good all round lens? If I
got this one any tips on settings to use??

Mifsuds do it for £329 and Jessops WILL Pricematch them .. BUT, it IS f3.5 at it's widest and the one we tried was soft wide open at 28mm and underexposed, it also was more hesitant to lock focus at 28mm indoors than other lenses I tried

-

go to Jessops and try a Sigma 28-70EX DF (£299) , it's f2.8 all the way and pretty damn sharp at f2.8 up til 60-70mm where it gets a bit soft.. Jessops have a 30-day "lens happy" return policy so if you don't like it, they'll swap or refund - you can't lose

.

Others include the 24-85 f3.5-4.5 but that's not too clever wide open and the good example I tried needed f5.6 to sharpen up whne it was superb - a bit of a fair weather lens that one but has wonderful contrast..

sandra mills said:
28 – 70 L USM £800 I know from the forum that this is an
excellent lens, still seems to be expensive at the moment (not sure

Only expensive HERE - they're cheap in the states - eventually I'm after getting a 100-400IS whic is £1200 here, but I'll order it from B+H in the usa and save a packet!..

sandra mills said:
I already have the 75 – 300 USM 4-5.6 which is about 10 years
old, BUT not sure if it is a good enough zoom for wildlife

Give it a try - there are good copies and attrocious ones, you might find it does the trick

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sandra mills · Oct 23, 2002

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

50mm 1.8 price £80 this seems to be a lens that everyone has.

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and well worth the money - L quality output from Rebel priced lens

Thanks Adam - This will have to be on the list.

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

Would the 28 – 135 IS USM at £350 be good enough for this
type of lighting – it seems to be a good all round lens? If I
got this one any tips on settings to use??

Click to expand...

Mifsuds do it for £329 and Jessops WILL Pricematch them .. BUT, it
IS f3.5 at it's widest and the one we tried was soft wide open at
28mm and underexposed, it also was more hesitant to lock focus at
28mm indoors than other lenses I tried -

Excellent many many thanks I will take a trip to Jessops

Adam-T said:
go to Jessops and try a Sigma 28-70EX DF (£299) , it's f2.8 all the
way and pretty damn sharp at f2.8 up til 60-70mm where it gets a
bit soft.. Jessops have a 30-day "lens happy" return policy so if
you don't like it, they'll swap or refund - you can't lose .

Has anyone else compared these two lenses????

Is it worth going for the 28-70L instead of the 28-70 Sigma or the 28-135IS USM I know it is a lot dearer BUT purchasing from the USA would save a packet.

I could then get the 70 - 200L as well

Has anyone ion the UK ordered a lens from the USA before are there any drawbacks???

Adam-T · Oct 23, 2002

sandra mills said:
Is it worth going for the 28-70L instead of the 28-70 Sigma or the
28-135IS USM I know it is a lot dearer BUT purchasing from the USA
would save a packet.

Try E-Bay UK under Lenses for canon - there are a few 28-70Ls there nearly new boxed around £700-£800, they will get cheaper too when the 24-70L is released, Mifsuds have a couple of used ones at £900 too..

there is no doubt that the 28-70L is better than the Sigma, let's fact it, the famous L is the best 28-70 ever made but it's still plastic and sucks in dust like a consumer Canon zoom - so I'd either wait for the 24-70L (which has proper sealing like most modern "L"s) or bag an old model cheap when it does arrive

sandra mills said:
Has anyone ion the UK ordered a lens from the USA before are there
any drawbacks???

the only drawback is if you get a bad copy and have to send it back - Canon may not have as much of a problem as Sigma for this, but they're not THAT far behind and that includes Ls too going by this forum

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Olympus C2100UZI +B300, Canon D60.

My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
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sandra mills · Oct 24, 2002

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

Is it worth going for the 28-70L instead of the 28-70 Sigma or the
28-135IS USM I know it is a lot dearer BUT purchasing from the USA
would save a packet.

Click to expand...

Try E-Bay UK under Lenses for canon - there are a few 28-70Ls there
nearly new boxed around £700-£800, they will get cheaper too when
the 24-70L is released, Mifsuds have a couple of used ones at £900
too..

there is no doubt that the 28-70L is better than the Sigma, let's
fact it, the famous L is the best 28-70 ever made but it's still
plastic and sucks in dust like a consumer Canon zoom - so I'd
either wait for the 24-70L (which has proper sealing like most
modern "L"s) or bag an old model cheap when it does arrive

Thanks Adam - How long have you been into Digital Canon SLR's you know a lot about the lens?
Adam has the 70 - 200L got the same problem with dust or is it "better made"???

I am just starting and finding it a real nightmare.

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

Has anyone ion the UK ordered a lens from the USA before are there
any drawbacks???

Click to expand...

the only drawback is if you get a bad copy and have to send it back

Canon may not have as much of a problem as Sigma for this, but

they're not THAT far behind and that includes Ls too going by this
forum

--
Olympus C2100UZI +B300, Canon D60.

My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=27855

John Gleeson · Oct 24, 2002

Sandra

Look at B&H website. I have ordered several things from them in the last few weeks and with no problems. Just got a 16:35mm L USM from them. Took four days from ordering shipped by Fed Ex Priority and this was ordered on the 17/10/02 delivered on the 22/10/02. It was in Stanstead on the 19/10/02!! £400 cheaper than Jessops.

John Gleeson

FUCK DPREVIEW!! · Oct 24, 2002

sandra mills said:
50mm 1.8 price £80 this seems to be a lens that everyone has.

This should be your first joice, in my opinion.

sandra mills said:
Would the 28 – 135 IS USM at £350 be good enough for this
type of lighting

No, the 38-135 is a rather slow lens.

sandra mills said:
– it seems to be a good all round lens?

Not on a D60: Because of the multiplier, this lens will actually turn into an approx. 50-210mm.

sandra mills said:
28 – 70 L USM £800

An excellent lens, but not very useful for D30/D60 cameras because of the focal length multiplier. Also, this lens is big and heavy, not really the ideal "walk-around" lens for everybody.

sandra mills said:
photography I was thinking of the 70 – 200 L USM f4 I have
found this for new for £650 not sure if this is a deal too good to
miss?????.

If you can live with the beginning aperture of f4, go for it - this lens delivers excellent value for the money!

sandra mills said:
I will not be using any tripods etc

I would recommend to get a monopod, especially when using the 70-200mm/f4.

sandra mills said:
do people usually overlap the ranges???

A little bit of overlap is OK, but it depends very much on how and what you shoot. My range is is 16-35mm, 50mm, 70-200mm; I don't have any overlaps since I pratice "zoom-by-using-legs" with the 50mm.

sandra mills said:
Also any idea if hoods or filters are needed to protect the lens if
so any preference to which?

You get lots of information like that on Canon's homepage, in particular on...
http://www.usa.canon.com/eflenses/lineup/index.html

sandra mills said:
I am very new to Digital SLR photography so would appreciate any
help you can give a newbie.

Take your time and base your buy decisions on actual needs discovered while shooting, not on reading equipment forums like this one or glossy Canon pamplets. Expect that your needs will probably change over time. If you stick to original Canon equipment, you will get very good resale values.

Happy shooting.
Andi

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http://www.andreassteiner.net/photography

mark lutz · Oct 24, 2002

B&H is very reputable and very nice to deal with if you get someone that speaks english on the phone. I just placed a large order totaling $4200 with them and they even called to verify that it wasn't a credit card fraud case. I have probably spent over $10,000 with them and never had a complaint.

John Gleeson said:
Sandra

Look at B&H website. I have ordered several things from them in the
last few weeks and with no problems. Just got a 16:35mm L USM from
them. Took four days from ordering shipped by Fed Ex Priority and
this was ordered on the 17/10/02 delivered on the 22/10/02. It was
in Stanstead on the 19/10/02!! £400 cheaper than Jessops.

John Gleeson

--
Mark Lutz
http://www.visionsphotography.us

Sam2nd · Oct 24, 2002

Hi all.
And what's the matter with the right custom? Please.

Michael Thomas Mitchell · Oct 24, 2002

Sandra,

You'll get lots of feedback on this one. I'll offer mine since I take TONS of photos of my own daughter, who is my favorite subject, and my job, professionally, is SOCIAL photography (you know, people).

There are three lenses that come to mind immediately. All three are more similar than they are different, and all three can be obtained at a reasonable price point.

The first, you have already mentioned, is the 28-135. An excellent lens. Consider it primarily for the IS, which can help provide sharper images. The stabilization really does work, but it's really only useful about 100mm and higher. I've shot handheld at 135mm and 1/30 second with very good results. The one bad thing is that, at f5.6, it's a dark lens. It's also not the smallest lens you can put on your camera, AND there have been some reports of exposure problems when used with the D60. I enjoyed it on my D30, and LOVED the wide focal range, but found it unpredictable about exposure on the D60, often up to 2 stops under!

The other two lenses deserve to be mentioned together: the 24-85 and 28-105. Both are virtually identical in size, weight, and apprearance. Iin fact, only the filter size seems different. They both perform very well optically and offer a very reasonable and effective focal range. In fact, if you should have to decide only between these two, simply choose based on the focal range you prefer. I've used them both with very good results. And they are VERY affordable. The 24-85 is slightly higher in cost, presumably because of the wider focal length, but the 28-105 is probably one of the BEST LENS VALUES around. Here in the US, they sell new, typically, for only a couple hundred dollars. Amazing! Both lenses are also very compact and lightweight.

Anyway, I've used all three lenses extensively, and can honestly say that all three are excellent for the money. I wouldn't even consider third party glass for what you want to do, as these three also offer tremedous value without compromising quality. And unless you're going to need the rugged construction, save the money with the L glass. It's big, heavy, and expensive.

Speaking of big and heavy, I'll add here that when photographing children (and some grownups for that matter!), it's important that they feel comfortable in front of the camera. Whenever I shoot children, I lighten the load as much as possible. No big grip. No huge 550 flash. No 28-70 L. If possible, just a D30 or D60 and something like the 24-85. (Great for indoors. Outdoors, the 28-105 gives just a little more reach, if needed.) If I need a flash, I bounce to keep the light from startling the subjects. They REALLY appreciate this without even knowing it! A 420 EX and a Stofen Omnibounce are invaluable for indoor work. The 420 with the diffuser not only provide perfect candid lighting, but the 420's autofocus assist makes any AF problems virtually a non-issue, elminating the need for expensive, fast glass.

Well, I hope this helps. I'm including some images of my own daughter as samples... all taken with either the D30/60 and one of the three lenses I have mentioned, in addition to the flash. (Actually, I use the internal flash for fill OUTDOORS). Good luck!

M

It's alot of pictures, I know. Sorry. Just hit that BACK button if you don't want to see them all!

sandra mills said:
Help please

I have decided on the D60 (Not getting it until the end of
November) BUT am having awful trouble with the lens

I need a lens that will allow me to take great indoor shots of my
daughter, so I will only have natural (at this time of year there
is not much) and artificial lighting, also she does not sit still
for very long. I have not even looked at the available flashes
– do not really want to get into that yet.
It is her birthday coming up so really want to get some excellent
pictures.

I want to keep the cost down but really want the quality,
(dos’ent everyone) the ones that I have been looking at are
as follows: -

50mm 1.8 price £80 this seems to be a lens that everyone has.

Would the 28 – 135 IS USM at £350 be good enough for this
type of lighting – it seems to be a good all round lens? If I
got this one any tips on settings to use??

28 – 70 L USM £800 I know from the forum that this is an
excellent lens, still seems to be expensive at the moment (not sure
how low it will go because of the new lens coming out). I might be
able to afford only one L at the moment.

I already have the 75 – 300 USM 4-5.6 which is about 10 years
old, BUT not sure if it is a good enough zoom for wildlife
photography I was thinking of the 70 – 200 L USM f4 I have
found this for new for £650 not sure if this is a deal too good to
miss?????. I will not be using any tripods etc

If I got the 28 – 135 would I still need the 70 – 200
L because it seems that the length is already taken up with this
one, do people usually overlap the ranges???

Has anyone any idea of the actual length of the barrel of the zoom
in cm, both at the closed and extended range?

Also any idea if hoods or filters are needed to protect the lens if
so any preference to which?

I am very new to Digital SLR photography so would appreciate any
help you can give a newbie.

biggles · Oct 24, 2002

and he does know what he's talking about....;-))

Michael Thomas Mitchell said:
Sandra,

You'll get lots of feedback on this one. I'll offer mine since I
take TONS of photos of my own daughter, who is my favorite subject,
and my job, professionally, is SOCIAL photography (you know,
people).

There are three lenses that come to mind immediately. All three are
more similar than they are different, and all three can be obtained
at a reasonable price point.

The first, you have already mentioned, is the 28-135. An excellent
lens. Consider it primarily for the IS, which can help provide
sharper images. The stabilization really does work, but it's really
only useful about 100mm and higher. I've shot handheld at 135mm and
1/30 second with very good results. The one bad thing is that, at
f5.6, it's a dark lens. It's also not the smallest lens you can put
on your camera, AND there have been some reports of exposure
problems when used with the D60. I enjoyed it on my D30, and LOVED
the wide focal range, but found it unpredictable about exposure on
the D60, often up to 2 stops under!

The other two lenses deserve to be mentioned together: the 24-85
and 28-105. Both are virtually identical in size, weight, and
apprearance. Iin fact, only the filter size seems different. They
both perform very well optically and offer a very reasonable and
effective focal range. In fact, if you should have to decide only
between these two, simply choose based on the focal range you
prefer. I've used them both with very good results. And they are
VERY affordable. The 24-85 is slightly higher in cost, presumably
because of the wider focal length, but the 28-105 is probably one
of the BEST LENS VALUES around. Here in the US, they sell new,
typically, for only a couple hundred dollars. Amazing! Both lenses
are also very compact and lightweight.

Anyway, I've used all three lenses extensively, and can honestly
say that all three are excellent for the money. I wouldn't even
consider third party glass for what you want to do, as these three
also offer tremedous value without compromising quality. And unless
you're going to need the rugged construction, save the money with
the L glass. It's big, heavy, and expensive.

Speaking of big and heavy, I'll add here that when photographing
children (and some grownups for that matter!), it's important that
they feel comfortable in front of the camera. Whenever I shoot
children, I lighten the load as much as possible. No big grip. No
huge 550 flash. No 28-70 L. If possible, just a D30 or D60 and
something like the 24-85. (Great for indoors. Outdoors, the 28-105
gives just a little more reach, if needed.) If I need a flash, I
bounce to keep the light from startling the subjects. They REALLY
appreciate this without even knowing it! A 420 EX and a Stofen
Omnibounce are invaluable for indoor work. The 420 with the
diffuser not only provide perfect candid lighting, but the 420's
autofocus assist makes any AF problems virtually a non-issue,
elminating the need for expensive, fast glass.

Well, I hope this helps. I'm including some images of my own
daughter as samples... all taken with either the D30/60 and one of
the three lenses I have mentioned, in addition to the flash.
(Actually, I use the internal flash for fill OUTDOORS). Good luck!

M

It's alot of pictures, I know. Sorry. Just hit that BACK button if
you don't want to see them all!

FUCK DPREVIEW!! · Oct 24, 2002

These lenses are just right for the heavy softening Michael seems to like so much. In fact, any lens will do for that style. You don't even need a dSLR for that.

For anything else, I would recommend other lenses than the three zooms mentioned.

Andi

--
http://www.andreassteiner.net/photography

biggles · Oct 24, 2002

Member said:
Andreas Steiner wrote:

These lenses are just right. In fact, any lens will do for that style. You
don't even need a dSLR for that.

For anything else, I would recommend the three
zooms mentioned.

Member said:
Andi

http://www.andreassteiner.net/photography

glad you agree Andi, as i also like the 24-85 for it's sharpness and color/contrast.

Michael Thomas Mitchell · Oct 24, 2002

These lenses are ideal for social photography for their size, weight, and focal range. Respectfully, they are NOT inherently soft. They are not their sharpest at their widest aperture, but when stopped down just a bit, the optical quality can be outstanding. Color and contrast on the two smaller lenses are also notable. I, for one, would not feel comfortable using an inherently soft (inferior) lens with any type of photography, portrait or otherwise. Even soft-focus portraits benefit from the sharpest optics, as the softening is really a form of DIFFUSION. When one considers that the multiplier of the D30/60 effectively crops the image so that the very best part of the lens is what is actually used, one realizes that these lenses perform all the better.

While I, and I'm sure many others, could certainly post example images created with these three lenses which feature non-portrait subject matter, it is precisely "social" subject matter that the original poster desired a lens recommendation for. Thus, I restricted my examples to this nature. I have produced many images with these three lense, in addition to the 50 1.8 and 28-70 L, which all demonstrate their ability to resolve fine detail.

For the non-professional and professional alike, these three lenses are all viable choices for quality image capture without breaking the bank. There are other fine lenses available, and I will not disparage them. In fact, I would encourage anyone to do thorough research, taking sample images themselves, if possible. These three are simply good possibilities, in my opinino, for the needs of Sandra.

M

Andreas Steiner said:
These lenses are just right for the heavy softening Michael seems
to like so much. In fact, any lens will do for that style. You
don't even need a dSLR for that.

For anything else, I would recommend other lenses than the three
zooms mentioned.

Andi

--
http://www.andreassteiner.net/photography

Adam-T · Oct 24, 2002

sandra mills said:
Thanks Adam - How long have you been into Digital Canon SLR's you
know a lot about the lens?

I've had my D60 for a couple of months but bought a faulty 28-70L which I had to return and have used two others which were brilliant but both had dust in the optics - not a lot but more than a £1200 lens should have - it IS a 13-year old design though

sandra mills said:
Adam has the 70 - 200L got the same problem with dust or is it
"better made"???

the 70-200L IS better made but I don't know about the dust - it's the 100-400IS I want and that's got a reputation for being a right dust sucker ;-)

--
Olympus C2100UZI +B300, Canon D60.

My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=27855

sandra mills · Oct 24, 2002

Member said:
Speaking of big and heavy, I'll add here that when photographing
children (and some grownups for that matter!), it's important that
they feel comfortable in front of the camera. Whenever I shoot
children, I lighten the load as much as possible. No big grip. No
huge 550 flash. No 28-70 L. If possible, just a D30 or D60 and
something like the 24-85. (Great for indoors. Outdoors, the 28-105
gives just a little more reach, if needed.) If I need a flash, I
bounce to keep the light from startling the subjects. They REALLY
appreciate this without even knowing it! A 420 EX and a Stofen
Omnibounce are invaluable for indoor work. The 420 with the
diffuser not only provide perfect candid lighting, but the 420's
autofocus assist makes any AF problems virtually a non-issue,
elminating the need for expensive, fast glass.

Well, I hope this helps. I'm including some images of my own
daughter as samples... all taken with either the D30/60 and one of
the three lenses I have mentioned, in addition to the flash.
(Actually, I use the internal flash for fill OUTDOORS). Good luck!

M
Michael Many Many thanks for the great advice

Can I ask you something - Which do you prefer the D30 or D60 and which would you reccomend. Which photos were with which camera- It is good I cannot tell the difference. Can you really see the difference between 3 m and 6 million I know that this is a silly question. I do not tend to print out many pictures sometimes A4 and sometimes A3( but not very often). The D60 will be pushing the budget but I do not want to get a camera that I wil want to change in 8 months time, I would rather go for it now.....

I have been playing bat and ball between both of them and still keep changing my mind. The D30 in the UK varies between £1000 and 1300 new. The D60 varies the cheapest I have found it is £1800

I have the Fuji 6900. Some of the pictures that I have taken (indoors) come out very blurred of my daughter, I think that is due to using the cameras internal flash which is not good at all.

At the moment but I am not happy with the 6 million interpolaration I know the pictures are not as sharp as i want. The time it takes to save to the card and the camera "Wakes up" seems like an age.

I tend to crop the pictures with the Fuji but I think that is because the zoom is not that good, so printing the cropped immage the print suffers -

I tried to put a couple of pictures in from pbase but cannot get the hang of it. I am hoping that the Canon is in a totally different league to the Fuji. or I could just be being toooooo pickky

The other problem is that I am just starting to get to grips with Pro Shop 7 (and thinking about Breezebrowzer) so I am not very good at tweeking the pictures. Do you need to tweek a lot.?

I really appreachiate the help

Sandra

Help please with lens for D60

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