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I'm not impressed with all of the Cyan color fringing I see in the 'sample' image that Zeiss is using in their press release to tout the capabilities of their new 35/1.4. Yikes! What's that all about? Easily removed in PP, but still...for 1,400 Euros?

Please click on (Original) to see how truly bad it is...or go here:

http://www.zeiss.com/C1256A770030BCE0/WebViewTopNewsAllE/4E1756D4AF56756EC125779000246827?OpenDocument





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'He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.'
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Fave Photog said:
I'm not impressed with all of the Cyan color fringing I see in the 'sample' image that Zeiss is using in their press release to tout the capabilities of their new 35/1.4. Yikes! What's that all about? Easily removed in PP, but still...for 1,400 Euros?

Please click on (Original) to see how truly bad it is...or go here:

http://www.zeiss.com/C1256A770030BCE0/WebViewTopNewsAllE/4E1756D4AF56756EC125779000246827?OpenDocument





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'He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.'
--Francis of Assisi--
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Yes, both the front and background bokeh is not impressive. Sharpness doesn´t look that good either.
 
It's not like it's the only fast lens in the world that does this.
Fave Photog said:
I'm not impressed with all of the Cyan color fringing I see in the 'sample' image that Zeiss is using in their press release to tout the capabilities of their new 35/1.4. Yikes! What's that all about? Easily removed in PP, but still...for 1,400 Euros?
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coudet said:
It's not like it's the only fast lens in the world that does this.
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The point is with today's technology, lens coatings and such...and for 1,400 Euros?
coudet said:
Fave Photog said:
I'm not impressed with all of the Cyan color fringing I see in the 'sample' image that Zeiss is using in their press release to tout the capabilities of their new 35/1.4. Yikes! What's that all about? Easily removed in PP, but still...for 1,400 Euros?
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'He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.'
--Francis of Assisi--
 
so?

it is still cheaper than the Nikon 24G or 85G.

and I think it is a much better lens than the VC 35f1.4 (m mount lens) or Sony 35f1.4G.

but the Canon L seems better.

maybe what you get what you pay for , Zeiss no longer a legenary brand in terms of absolute IQ or build quality.

metal not always the best when I dropped my 25f2.8ZF2 from my car , I realized this. my all plastic or metal but rubber coated lenses were ok from the drop but the Zess broke and no way to repair it.

however , those who see the magical or unique look of Zeiss or so called 3D pop , love these lenses even with some minor optical flaws shown in these samples.

it was sad for me to realize this Zeiss is not that special , in fact newer Nikon primes are better lenses in objective sense but I still prefer the unique Zeiss look , so there is excessive CA or not , I still go for the Zeiss for the Zeiss look.
teodorian2 said:
Fave Photog said:
I'm not impressed with all of the Cyan color fringing I see in the 'sample' image that Zeiss is using in their press release to tout the capabilities of their new 35/1.4. Yikes! What's that all about? Easily removed in PP, but still...for 1,400 Euros?

Please click on (Original) to see how truly bad it is...or go here:

http://www.zeiss.com/C1256A770030BCE0/WebViewTopNewsAllE/4E1756D4AF56756EC125779000246827?OpenDocument





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'He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.'
--Francis of Assisi--
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Yes, both the front and background bokeh is not impressive. Sharpness doesn´t look that good either.
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rapick said:
Where?
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If you can't see it, then sell your equipment. Start with the glaring bokeh highlight next to her head and every other one in the image.
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'He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.'
--Francis of Assisi--
 
so what?

then why do you get a Leica or hugely overpriced Nikon 24G?
Fave Photog said:
coudet said:
It's not like it's the only fast lens in the world that does this.
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The point is with today's technology, lens coatings and such...and for 1,400 Euros?
Fave Photog said:
Fave Photog said:
I'm not impressed with all of the Cyan color fringing I see in the 'sample' image that Zeiss is using in their press release to tout the capabilities of their new 35/1.4. Yikes! What's that all about? Easily removed in PP, but still...for 1,400 Euros?
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'He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.'
--Francis of Assisi--
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I'm more disappointed they would choose to showcase this lens with such a stupid picture than by any performance issues revealed by the picture.
 
ericfordh said:
I'm more disappointed they would choose to showcase this lens with such a stupid picture than by any performance issues revealed by the picture.
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Please define "stupid picture"!

If you had shot the samples with this lens what "unstupid scene" would you have chosen for the one and only sample image?
 
Fave Photog said:
rapick said:
Where?
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If you can't see it, then sell your equipment.
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A bit rude???
Fave Photog said:
Start with the glaring bokeh highlight next to her head and every other one in the image.
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Then show me a lense capable of perfect apochromatic performance wide open and away from the focal plane. I can address you to pics taken with the fabulous Noct 1.2/58 showing a similar behaviour. You started with "Cyan color fringing" and now "glaring bokeh highlight". To me, it looks lke you don't know what you are speaking about.

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Gosh, you know, you're probably right. Because the point of focus is the lady's eyelash, we can see how sharp it is wide open that you can distinguish each individual eyelash. Her face being turned away means we can judge foreground bokeh from how her hair looks... and the busy background helps us judge the background bokeh.

I guess I don't normally view pictures with the eye of a lens tester. When I look at samples I like to see "the kind of shot I could get with this lens." I can't imagine anyone spending E1,400 to take a pic of their girlfriend checking her cell phone in a pub. My bad.
teodorian2 said:
Please define "stupid picture"!

If you had shot the samples with this lens what "unstupid scene" would you have chosen for the one and only sample image?
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Very rude.

In post above, the original poster says this should happen "with todays coatings". Unfortunately, this is typical dpreview behavior - one person doesnt know what's he talking about, and when that becomes obvious, he hits back with insults. Typical.
rapick said:
A bit rude???

Then show me a lense capable of perfect apochromatic performance wide open and away from the focal plane. I can address you to pics taken with the fabulous Noct 1.2/58 showing a similar behaviour. You started with "Cyan color fringing" and now "glaring bokeh highlight". To me, it looks lke you don't know what you are speaking about.
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I really like the character of the lens in this image.

Will there ever be a lens which everybody in this forum likes? I doubt it.

Best wishes,
Markus
 
rapick said:
Fave Photog said:
rapick said:
Where?
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If you can't see it, then sell your equipment.
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A bit rude???
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Nope. You asked where is the cyan color fringing. It is so obvious that I find it incredulous that you asked where is it.
rapick said:
rapick said:
Start with the glaring bokeh highlight next to her head and every other one in the image.
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Then show me a lense capable of perfect apochromatic performance wide open and away from the focal plane. I can address you to pics taken with the fabulous Noct 1.2/58 showing a similar behaviour.
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The Noct was first produced in 1976. Fast-forward to 2010, please.
rapick said:
You started with "Cyan color fringing" and now "glaring bokeh highlight". To me, it looks lke you don't know what you are speaking about.
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LOL. You don't see the cyan color fringing around every single bokeh highlight? The one next to her face is soooo glaringly obvious that it is annoying. Use the image editing program of your choice and remove the cyan and see how a quality lens with modern technology would render that image. Lenses such as any of Nikon's pro lenses produced in the last 2 or 3 years.

No way will I pay the USD equivalent of 1,400 Euros for a lens that delivers results similar to a lens I can buy on eBay for $150.
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'He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.'
--Francis of Assisi--
 
ericfordh said:
Gosh, you know, you're probably right. Because the point of focus is the lady's eyelash, we can see how sharp it is wide open that you can distinguish each individual eyelash. Her face being turned away means we can judge foreground bokeh from how her hair looks... and the busy background helps us judge the background bokeh.

I guess I don't normally view pictures with the eye of a lens tester. When I look at samples I like to see "the kind of shot I could get with this lens." I can't imagine anyone spending E1,400 to take a pic of their girlfriend checking her cell phone in a pub. My bad.
teodorian2 said:
Please define "stupid picture"!

If you had shot the samples with this lens what "unstupid scene" would you have chosen for the one and only sample image?
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Your stupid rant is not an answer.

Try again. What appropriate picture would you have shot with this lens to show it´s strenghts?
 
Fave Photog said:
rapick said:
Where?
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If you can't see it, then sell your equipment. Start with the glaring bokeh highlight next to her head and every other one in the image.
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There are many next to her head. If you are referring to the bright isolated one near her forehead, that is a colored light. It had better be colored in the image too or Zeiss will be having trouble selling this lens. Notice that there are some others with solid color throughout: you should have no trouble locating the yellow and red ones.

The color fringe looks more green than cyan. That makes it pretty typical because it will switch to magenta borders on the near-field out of focus highlights.

It's not clear why you chose to comment about the coatings. This looks more like a longitudinal chromatic aberration issue. If so that is due to design characteristics of the glass, not the coatings. It would be interesting to see how the o.o.f. highlights look at f/2 (especially compared to the Nikkor after being closed down 1/3 stop to match).

Personally, I think the bokeh is a bit busy looking. That wine glass is very distracting.
 
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