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If FT was to end, where would you go?
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Mrts
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So there MAY BE something to the rumours about the lenses with bigger image circle...
In that case I wonder if there is a plan how to make them compatible with the smaller sensor.. Maybe a kind of adapter or even a converter, hm?
Very interesting!
In that case I wonder if there is a plan how to make them compatible with the smaller sensor.. Maybe a kind of adapter or even a converter, hm?
Very interesting!
RoelHendrickx
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Do you mean something like what I am thinking out loud about here :So there MAY BE something to the rumours about the lenses with bigger image circle...
In that case I wonder if there is a plan how to make them compatible with the smaller sensor.. Maybe a kind of adapter or even a converter, hm?
Very interesting!
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Mrts
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Not exactly. I was wondering about a focal reducer..
Wow, but that thread is very interesting too... Are Olympus teasing us? ;-)
Midnighter
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Its not just FT that is dying, its the concept of the DSLR. You can be certain that the last quality DSLR ever made will be badged either Canon or Nikon. Sony.. well... its clear Sony is trying to buy market share by reducing price. If that does not get it maket share... if that does not allow it to migrate prices upwards later... well....
cnb
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I personally don't care for the look or feel of Canons. Sony I just don't know very well and can't get excited about. Nikon was my second option when I decided to get a DSLR, and it would probably still be my choice if I had to sell my Olympus gear. Pentax intrigues me as another high-quality outsider with some great lenses, but I've never handled one.
Basically though, I'm hoping that Olympus will show us that it's not abandoning the 4/3 format. I don't care if they go mirrorless somewhere down the line, as long as I know that I can keep on using my dear ZD lenses to their full potential, and then go out and buy some more!
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Basically though, I'm hoping that Olympus will show us that it's not abandoning the 4/3 format. I don't care if they go mirrorless somewhere down the line, as long as I know that I can keep on using my dear ZD lenses to their full potential, and then go out and buy some more!
Cheers
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I'm new to Olympus and Photography in general. I have an E-510 and the kit. I'm really looking forward for some good news before investing on more lenses and gear. But if 43 does end.. I'm leaning towards Sony - the A55 to be specific.
but then the E-5 is going to be awesome! =)
but then the E-5 is going to be awesome! =)
zig123
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Actually, if more average Joe's and Soccer Mom's bought more Olympus m43 and 43 cameras. Oly would be in great shape.
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Harold66
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Hello
well I was going to a shoot with a model in Philly . A few days before I realized that my 2/50mm macro was missing. I thought I had left it at home
so I had to borrow another camera from a friend . so I made most of the shoot with a Canon 5dII and a 4/24mm-105mm ( I would have preferred a single focal lens of course but had to do with what he had)
the studio ended up being not as " bright " as advertised so I had to shoot a lot at 1,000 Iso
so of course , I did not have to have this shoot to know that no one can compare the IQ at high iso of a 35mm sensor camera with a 4/3 one
BUT the issue is not there . This shoot illustrates how poor is in today's market the Panasonic sensor is . as i said before , I don't usually shoot at high Iso but at 400 iso the dynamic range of the Panasonic is so poor that the shoots next to each other look terrible
now that I am back at home , I can't find my zuiko 50mm lens
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If I did indeed lose it ( no indea where because I am quite sure I did not have it when I started the trip) It only leaves me with the two zoom kits ( 14-42 and 40-150mm) which means that I don't have a lot invested in the lenses anymore like most people here do
I am seriously wondering if this is not a sign that I should try to work with another platform . ah if the new d700s or d800 had the switchable ratio of the D3 ...
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well I was going to a shoot with a model in Philly . A few days before I realized that my 2/50mm macro was missing. I thought I had left it at home
so I had to borrow another camera from a friend . so I made most of the shoot with a Canon 5dII and a 4/24mm-105mm ( I would have preferred a single focal lens of course but had to do with what he had)
the studio ended up being not as " bright " as advertised so I had to shoot a lot at 1,000 Iso
so of course , I did not have to have this shoot to know that no one can compare the IQ at high iso of a 35mm sensor camera with a 4/3 one
BUT the issue is not there . This shoot illustrates how poor is in today's market the Panasonic sensor is . as i said before , I don't usually shoot at high Iso but at 400 iso the dynamic range of the Panasonic is so poor that the shoots next to each other look terrible
now that I am back at home , I can't find my zuiko 50mm lens
(If I did indeed lose it ( no indea where because I am quite sure I did not have it when I started the trip) It only leaves me with the two zoom kits ( 14-42 and 40-150mm) which means that I don't have a lot invested in the lenses anymore like most people here do
I am seriously wondering if this is not a sign that I should try to work with another platform . ah if the new d700s or d800 had the switchable ratio of the D3 ...
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JLTaylor
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To me it is fast telephoto, where I want the smaller sensor, and where there
(conveniently) is already an existing lens line. The smaller size of the mFT body isn't much of an advantage.
I expect to keep using FT's as I am using it now, for telephoto, or if I want the higher end glass, and use mFT when I want portability.
It looks like Olympus is positioning four thirds as the high end line.
I expect I will be using FT glass on bodies that look more and more like mFT bodies, (evf, mirrorless). They may end up just being repackaged mFT designs,
if they add PDAF to the imager. For now I think the difference between FT and mFT bodies will be PDAF support.
For those who don't want a second body, but some SHG glass, they can use adapters.
What would I switch to if FT went away? Nikon or Canon or anyone else who hasn't introduced a mirrorless body. That way I can have another couple of years of angst when they do.
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Rob Chan
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I always look upon Pentax as the 'other' Olympus, one of the last existing companies that truly maintains the spirit of photography. Not overloaded with useless gimmicks, has a great legacy, and most of all, a lot of images I've seen taken by Pentax bodies have emotion within them (I donno, maybe it's a thing that a Pentax owner can fully understand, and I respect them for it). Only issue so far is that they most likely aren't going to make an FF body for us to whack in the good 'ol M42s and Takumars. A real shame.
If Pentax (touch wood) somehow goes the way of Four Thirds, then I'd be happy to take a walk in the park with Canon. The 5D Mark II is still within my crosshair of 'must-get-cameras', much more than Nikon's FF offerings. At least with Canon constantly updating their bodies, there's a sense of security that they won't ever ditch their DSLR legacy. I'm all for mirrorless, but until the day comes when they have FF sized sensors and EVFs that won't tear or ghost, I'd still like to look through glass. Plus I get to use those luscious Zeiss lenses with the Mark II.
I hate to say this, but just today, I was thinking of what would really happen to Micro 4/3 if 4/3 is discontinued. I somehow have this nagging feeling that it'll really be curtains for Oly as a whole. I felt very disheartened when I saw the new lenses offered by Oly. WTH, an f/6.7 zoom lens that costs MORE THAN THE 50-200mm SWD? Shoot me please. I threw my arms up at this fiasco the moment I read the breaking news. It's so frustrating, I can't even cry. I can almost say with certainty that we'll never see the day Oly actually makes a > f/2 prime for Micro 4/3. If Oly really ditches 4/3, there's always a strong possibility Micro 4/3 will follow as well. After all, what's the point of having an Oly if they're not going to create Micro 4/3 equivalents of the legendary 14-54mm, 12-60mm or the 50-200mm?
Sorry if I sound all gloom and doom, but as a long time Oly supporter, I can't help but feel bleak about it's future for now. That's why I'm holding the urge of getting the E-P2. The wait for Photokina is killing me.
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If Pentax (touch wood) somehow goes the way of Four Thirds, then I'd be happy to take a walk in the park with Canon. The 5D Mark II is still within my crosshair of 'must-get-cameras', much more than Nikon's FF offerings. At least with Canon constantly updating their bodies, there's a sense of security that they won't ever ditch their DSLR legacy. I'm all for mirrorless, but until the day comes when they have FF sized sensors and EVFs that won't tear or ghost, I'd still like to look through glass. Plus I get to use those luscious Zeiss lenses with the Mark II.
I hate to say this, but just today, I was thinking of what would really happen to Micro 4/3 if 4/3 is discontinued. I somehow have this nagging feeling that it'll really be curtains for Oly as a whole. I felt very disheartened when I saw the new lenses offered by Oly. WTH, an f/6.7 zoom lens that costs MORE THAN THE 50-200mm SWD? Shoot me please. I threw my arms up at this fiasco the moment I read the breaking news. It's so frustrating, I can't even cry. I can almost say with certainty that we'll never see the day Oly actually makes a > f/2 prime for Micro 4/3. If Oly really ditches 4/3, there's always a strong possibility Micro 4/3 will follow as well. After all, what's the point of having an Oly if they're not going to create Micro 4/3 equivalents of the legendary 14-54mm, 12-60mm or the 50-200mm?
Sorry if I sound all gloom and doom, but as a long time Oly supporter, I can't help but feel bleak about it's future for now. That's why I'm holding the urge of getting the E-P2. The wait for Photokina is killing me.
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desaroo
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... to the landfill to deposit my camera and lenses.
Then I'd buy an easel, a pad of paper, some watercolors and brushes, and then I'd never have to worry about apertures and shutter speed and ISO and corner sharpness and motion blur, etc.
Now that I think about it, I can hardly wait for that happy day.
Then I'd buy an easel, a pad of paper, some watercolors and brushes, and then I'd never have to worry about apertures and shutter speed and ISO and corner sharpness and motion blur, etc.
Now that I think about it, I can hardly wait for that happy day.
lalitjee
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but will keep my beloved E3+14-54
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Kokoro
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I hope 4/3rds stays around too. But if it does go I think pentax is top of my list. My current film camera is a Pentax ME Super and I have pentax lenses and most of my lenses can be adapted to pentax cameras....
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You are really jumping to conclusions arent you. "What is left of Canon..."
The mirrorless are low performers with limited lens systems, no serious alternative for serious shooters as a main camera. I am sure many buys one instead of a P&S, but that is a different story.
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i think his argument is
with the sales performance of mirrorless, it just goes to show how pointless all this performance oriented nagging you figure is going to crush his discussion really is.
interestingly Canon are giving this a pass, and Nikon will introduce a 2.5x system (supposedly). Canon prolly rightly figure Nikons entry will fall flat on its ass, trouble is theyve long forgotten they earn most of their bucks from the low end. And then theyve already lost a lot of face at the top end...
Personally i dont think any of them (Panny Sony Oly) have a good formula yet but it will come, and it will displace low to mid range SLRs almost completely.
kinda pricey for that bracket, world economic BS and all that
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Yes, but I wonder about that "landslide". At least here in Sweden DSLR sales are better than ever (according to recent pressinfo from Nikon and Canon).
I also have a different view on the future development. Those who believe in mirrorless thinks there will be a general acceptance of lower standards, a dumbing down of photography. That P&S upgraders will set the agenda. All sorts of shortcomings are excused or downplayed.
However, I think the DSLR revolution was driven in a large part by former SLR users, often experienced photographers, not by the P&S generation. We are still here, and we have our standars.
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Should we care about the last countries on Earth to adapt to innovation? I have mentioned Japan, which is the source of innovation.
So you think that all dSLR users here that own a mirrorless here at DPR are some kind of nitwits? If you go to to the other mirrorless forum you will see that dSLR owners owning mirrorless come from all brands. That's exactly the strength of the new format, that classical 4/3 could never achieve.
BTW I would call yours 'discrimination by ownership'. Same as Leica owners who can fork out 10,000 credits just to show that they are good photographers, while they are just showing the money they have
Yes the interesting side of this is that a monopoly, or rather a duopoly has been broken almost by accident. Canon probably thought it would be eternal. But at least in Japan they are set to loose the largest chunk of market share.
That will extend to whole Asia, according to O&P statements. Sadly American and European market will be the last to take stock.
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In the particular arena of mirrorless, I believe it is more about being gizmo-friendly.
There are lots of electronic stuff that sells in Japan but never makes it to other rmarkets.
Thom Hogan writes:
"Note that the Japanese sales numbers don't exactly line up with the global ones. While m4/3 grabbed nearly 17% of the Japanese market sales in the first half of the year, sales worldwide are far more sluggish as traditional DSLRs are still doing better in the US and Europe than they are in Japan.
One thing is clear, though: mirrorless may be performing well, but it hasn't really changed the dynamics of there being a Big Two and Lesser Four. We have two different battles going on here: a supremacy dual between Nikon and Canon, and a breakout battle amongst the rest of the players. So far, Panasonic is the apparent breakout champion in Japan. But they haven't yet replicated that globally."
I believe many get one instead of a P&S, but you are talking about replacing DSLRs all together. The performance is not there, the lenses are not there.
I would not say that. I think the mirrorless are expensive for what they offer. Look at the lenses. I think that is a huge mistake, milking the early adopters.BTW I would call yours 'discrimination by ownership'. Same as Leica owners who can fork out 10,000 credits just to show that they are good photographers, while they are just showing the money they have
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