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Why I'm returning my NEX

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Ken Ross said:
.. GH1's video is very nice, but not compared to a really high quality dedicated videocamera that shoots a true 1080p.
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So, the GH1 does not shoot 1080P?

Wow. It's clear you are living in imaginary land...please go search on GH1 and see what pros are saying and using it for. No one is using the 700 for professional video.

The 700 is a good camcorder, but again the video is highly compressed.

btw, I had a 700 for a while but the fan ruined all the video.
 
Everdog said:
There are some great DSLR type zoom lenses made specifically for video. One comes standard on the GH1.

It's actually easier to zoom because you have more control that just 2 buttons.
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You are about the only one I've ever heard that finds the ergonomics for shooting video better in a DSLR than a dedicated videocamera.

Again, I've got the GH1 with the zoom (I don't have the pancake lens) and there is no way in God's creation that you can zoom as smoothly or with as much control as a POWER zoom. It just won't happen, you're really dreaming, honestly you are. You can not zoom smoothly with the GH1 lens AND the autofocus is miserable when zooming. I love the GH1, but as a videocamera it falls far short of the 700.

Surely you can't tell me that you get many focus misses while zooming with the GH1.
 
The duck video has hot spots on the log (left part), which also shows yellowing, suggesting poor dynamic range. Similarly, the monkey video also has burned out white highlights in the fur. Unimpressive, amateur-looking stuff.

I don't know if the NEX of GH1 would do better, but these certainly don't make any case for a particular camcorder.
 
You clearly have never seen the 700's video. To call it overly compressed is absurd. Have you EVER read a review on the 700? It is regarded by EVERY professional reviewer as the best videocamera under $5,000. I routinely view the video on a 60" Pioneer Kuro and there is ZERO evidence of compression.

You also seem to be missing the point that I OWN a GH1 and have since its release date over a year ago. I know that it has 1080p BUT at 30p not 60p. HUGE difference. I can pan smoothly, shoot rapid motion with the 700 which you can NOT do with the GH1 @1080p without significant motion stutter. This is well known and true of any camera that doesn't shoot at either a true 60i or 60p. Even at 1080p the detail of the GH1 STILL falls short of the 700.

I have BOTH cameras and have done comparisons, so please don't tell me something that I know is obviously not true.
 
Markr041 said:
The duck video has hot spots on the log (left part), which also shows yellowing, suggesting poor dynamic range. Similarly, the monkey video also has burned out white highlights in the fur. Unimpressive, amateur-looking stuff.

I don't know if the NEX of GH1 would do better, but these certainly don't make any case for a particular camcorder.
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Because this is the NEX forum, I will drop the GH1 talk.

The NEX will do much better. Much more dynamic range, less DoF, less blown highlights, etc.
 
When viewed on a 60" Pioneer Kuro, you do not see hot spots. Additionally, the 700 is well-known for its great dynamic range. To compare the NEX video with the 700 video is almost laughable. I own both, shoot with both, compare both on a large screen plasma.

If you know Vimeo, the videos are highly compressed and not the proper way to judge ultimate video quality.
 
Oh brother. OK, I'm wrong and every professional reviewer is wrong. I own both cameras but don't know what I'm talking about. You don't own both, but somehow know better.

Do you realize this is the FIRST video cam under $5,000 that shoots true 1920X1080p video? Do you care?
 
You were the one who suggested we look at them. How about making the originals downloadable to back up your claim that the hot pots are caused by Vimeo (something I have never heard before), now that you see we cannot be easily fooled by rhetoric.
 
Wrong, you have no idea what you're talking about. Better DOF on the NEX? Yes. Better detail or color in video? No way no how, NEVER. Go buy a 700 and get back to me, otherwise you have no idea what you're talking about.

I have zero bias unlike some here and have no axe to grind, I have BOTH cameras. I wish the NEX did even nearly as well as the 700. It simply doesn't, not even in the same ballpark.

I love the NEX for its still shots, that's what I bought it for, for video it's no better than OK.
 
The videos you took and told us to look at are bad. And 60p has nothing to do with the dynamic range problem exhibited.

Here is a link to a NEX video of a white flower in direct sunlight - see any hot spots? no.

http://www.vimeo.com/13373202
 
Give me a break Mark, what is it you are defending. I am being honest here. I defended the NEX in this thread in response to the OP's post. But in terms of video, which I do professionally, you are 100% wrong. Why not READ the numerous professional reviews on the 700. You would clearly see this is NOT just my opininon, but EVERY reviewer that's laid his hands on the camera.

I've worked with $4,000 HD cameras and the 700 is superior in color, detail, motion smoothness and comes very close in dynamic range.

As far as the original clips are concerned, they were there but Vimeo removes them after several weeks. Those clips were posted months ago. You don't like the videos? No matter, I'll just continue to enjoy the finest 1920X1080 60p available for under $5,000.
 
Detail doesn't begin to compare with the 700, not even close. You don't have to show me videos of the NEX5, I've got plenty of them and there isn't one I've taken, yours or any I've seen on the net that compare with the 700.

When you say you saw a 'hot spot', do you have ANY idea of the shooting conditions? Do you know if ANY camera would have avoided this? Man, you guys are unreal. It's nice to defend one's purchase, but I usually defer to a guy that has BOTH cameras and considerable experience in the field of video.

You two are the ONLY ones I've ever heard describe those clips as being so bad. Your objectivity is severely lacking.
 
The other thing you have given no thought about are the actual conditions when these videos were taken. The monkey video had a much darker background with a brightly SUNLIT monkey. That is FAR more demanding a lighting situation than a flower in full sunlight where the exposure can be adjusted for the flower that is about the same brightness level as anything around it.

Additionally, the video I shot was in FULL AUTO and could easily have been adjusted for just the monkey. No big deal. But for 'run & gun' video as you might do at a zoo, you often leave the camera in full auto. Not too many cameras that could have offered the color accuracy, detail and motion smoothness of the 700.

BTW, you might want to adjust your monitor, that flower is pink, not white. ;)
 
Knallberto said:
A goooood camera and a gooood Photographer do not need RAW - go out and make fantastic JPGs ... IF YOU CAN! Or let it be.
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Why does Jay Maisel shoot RAW? Why do the photographers for the VII and Magnum agencies shoot RAW? What do world Press Photo winners like Peter Turnley shot RAW? Why do the world's best landscape photographers shoot RAW? What is it that you know that they don't? Or are you a "gooood Photographer" and they aren't?
 
NOW it all makes sense!!! Markr041 from AVS...I knew there was something familiar about both your 'style' and name. The same markr041 who insisted I post clips from the 700 on AVS (and is actually the only reason they're there on Vimeo) as you kept raving about your JVC. In fact, after I posted the clips, that was the last anyone heard of markr041 for months. Some things never change eh Mark? You attacked me there and are back at it here.

Just as an aside, I got many glowing comments on those posted clips on both Vimeo and AVS.
 
BillCarr said:
Knallberto said:
A goooood camera and a gooood Photographer do not need RAW - go out and make fantastic JPGs ... IF YOU CAN! Or let it be.
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Why does Jay Maisel shoot RAW? Why do the photographers for the VII and Magnum agencies shoot RAW? What do world Press Photo winners like Peter Turnley shot RAW? Why do the world's best landscape photographers shoot RAW? What is it that you know that they don't? Or are you a "gooood Photographer" and they aren't?
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While I agree that RAW is the way to go for myself, not all pros use it. Lionel Deluy often uses camera jpegs. From Digital Photo Pro Magazine:

Deluy sets his camera to shoot RAW plus large JPEG, so if the client requests a RAW image, he has it, but surprisingly he's not gung-ho about RAW files. “I don't see enough of a difference, and it takes so long to process,” he explains.

As if to punctuate his point, Deluy tells me about a campaign he shot three years ago: “It was the RAMPAGE campaign, and I was shooting with the old [Canon EOS] 1Ds. From a large JPEG file, the company created a billboard that took up the whole side of a huge building in Los Angeles—and they cropped it, too! The quality of that large file was more than enough.”
 
Sorry, but I owned both too. The 700 was good but not great. The fan noise beyond unacceptable. It is basically a great soccer mom camcorder for video the family. It has good video quality and a very large DoF. It has a lot of artifacts though because of the low bit rate and low dynamic range because of the tiny sensor. Also the lens quality is not great which hurts too. I could go on and on, but it is clear you won't listen.

I did check several reviews and they all say they same thing. Many mention things like "edge artifacts in video" and the other stuff I said above.
 
Ken Ross said:
Wrong, you have no idea what you're talking about. Better DOF on the NEX? Yes. Better detail or color in video? No way no how, NEVER. Go buy a 700 and get back to me, otherwise you have no idea what you're talking about.

I have zero bias unlike some here and have no axe to grind, I have BOTH cameras. I wish the NEX did even nearly as well as the 700. It simply doesn't, not even in the same ballpark.

I love the NEX for its still shots, that's what I bought it for, for video it's no better than OK.
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I know the nex-vg10 is not out yet, but do you think that video camera will do as good or better than the 700?
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