Why are you continuing to buy Sony camera then? I have a S70, no problem, I had a 707, no DLS or BFS, and now I have a 717, no problems.
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Hal Fisher
Senior Member
Oops. Its been a tough day here and these off shoot threads are hard to follow. Nope, the color is very close to perfect.
I was testing aperature in responce to positioning yesterday trying to figure out a way to get manual focus a little better then within 4" (notice how manual is in 1/10 of a meter which is 4". This causes somethings to be just enough out of focus to matter). Anyway, I was using a redish orange ruler and when I held it up to the lcd it was EXACTLY the same color as the image. Weird.
Hal
I was testing aperature in responce to positioning yesterday trying to figure out a way to get manual focus a little better then within 4" (notice how manual is in 1/10 of a meter which is 4". This causes somethings to be just enough out of focus to matter). Anyway, I was using a redish orange ruler and when I held it up to the lcd it was EXACTLY the same color as the image. Weird.
Hal
Great picture. Would you mind to share with us how you did this.
Peter
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Ulysses
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Ed, as you know, this exact thing happens with every camera model from every camera company. 
Nothing new under the sun here either. Matter of fact, I'm surprised it didn't start sooner. Why do you think I'm still smiling?
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Nothing new under the sun here either. Matter of fact, I'm surprised it didn't start sooner. Why do you think I'm still smiling?
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Kimberly85208
Leading Member
Oh, so it's a woman's job to put flowers on the table..huh?!! I suppose we have to do the STF dishes too???
heehee, just teasing, but you left yourself wide open for that one!
I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs...
heehee, just teasing, but you left yourself wide open for that one!
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Josh L
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You need to understand that there is a certain group of people with some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder that requires them to desperately find a fault in whatever major purchase they commit to, in order to come on the Internet and wail and moan as a group. They get off on their misery, real or imagined. First it was hype surrounding dark edges and banding in photos, which was quickly extinguished. Now it's this phantom focusing issue. Even when that's shown to be completely unfounded, they'll find something new to latch onto. It's their way.
The biggest problem the 707 ever had was DLS, which while real, was -very- exaggerated. A lot of people whose cameras exhibited no signs of this problem whatsoever were practically in hysterics over it.
You just have to understand the mindset of these people and remind yourself that there will never be any satisfying them because they will seek out the smallest thing to turn into their Internet tragedy.
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James_Vic
Leading Member
You can do the dishes if you want to, dont worry, we wont stop you
Josh L
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Hal Fisher
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Josh L
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Sir, I am dead serious when I say that you really ought to see a psychiatrist ASAP.Phil, have you done any laser assisted focus testing? I am seeing
a problem (and so have others) where the focus is hit or miss. I
did a test moving the camera/tripod further and further back from
an object that was easy to focus on. By around 5' it started
messing up. Some distances were good, others were not. I was
unable to complete a full pass of tests. I will post a foot by
foot sequence of shots with mine tonight (I want real condition of
dim light. I believe absolute black will allow too much contrast
of the laser and will be hiding a problem in true naturally
occuring situations). I know your publication is not meant to
really pinpoint problems (hard to get advertisement dollars if you
bash their equipment). Also, got any spare 1Ds laying around
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Ulysses
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Had a feeling that one would draw some lightning. Wait until Helen reads it.
Ulysses
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NRich
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Mac west
I would kindly suggest you post your gallery link, along with photos examples and circumstance specifics of the 717 focus complaints you have. I'd say Given the singular intensity of your response, this effort on your part-- you owe to yourself, and others reaching out to you on this thread. A set of images being worth a 1000 words.
Regards
NRich
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LanceD
Senior Member
Somehow I like to read this type of "framable" threads. It give me a bit of info on people's personal trait.
Love my 717, hope it would be a little, just a little, more sharpness to be a perfect cam.
Lance
Happiness is not just to enjoy what you have but to want what you got.
Love my 717, hope it would be a little, just a little, more sharpness to be a perfect cam.
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TenDee
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I couldn't agree with you more. I believe that the retailer, distributor, or manufacturer needs to make every effort to solve problems. It is in their best interest to keep the vast majority of their end users reasonably content.
This was not an attempt to suggest that Sony does not have faults or the best customer service. Like you, I am rather disappointed that Sony did not implement the ability for end users to flash update their firmware. I do not see the logic in this decision. I have a F707 that has “BFS”. I know that I can send it in for the firmware update but I’m not sure it is worth the effort on my part. If I could flash it myself I would.
With the experience I have in manufacturing PWA assemblies I do understand their dilemma with customer satisfaction. Our company strives at manufacturing PWA assemblies in a timely fashion with an emphasis on quality. However, the reality is we do have some percentage of assemblies that escape with manufacturing defects. The trick is to be able to resolve issues like this quickly and effectively and to prevent future escapes.
We have one job that we determined has an engineering problem. We found a little noise in the video from their board and it was determined that several components will require a value change. This was a fault that was created by our customer when they originally engineered the board. We are now working with this customer to fix boards in house and in their factory. There are many units in the hands of the end users that will not be updated with the new components. If the end user complains about problems and they are still covered by warrantee they will likely get their unit repaired. Most end users will never even know that there was a problem with noise.
Pat
This was not an attempt to suggest that Sony does not have faults or the best customer service. Like you, I am rather disappointed that Sony did not implement the ability for end users to flash update their firmware. I do not see the logic in this decision. I have a F707 that has “BFS”. I know that I can send it in for the firmware update but I’m not sure it is worth the effort on my part. If I could flash it myself I would.
With the experience I have in manufacturing PWA assemblies I do understand their dilemma with customer satisfaction. Our company strives at manufacturing PWA assemblies in a timely fashion with an emphasis on quality. However, the reality is we do have some percentage of assemblies that escape with manufacturing defects. The trick is to be able to resolve issues like this quickly and effectively and to prevent future escapes.
We have one job that we determined has an engineering problem. We found a little noise in the video from their board and it was determined that several components will require a value change. This was a fault that was created by our customer when they originally engineered the board. We are now working with this customer to fix boards in house and in their factory. There are many units in the hands of the end users that will not be updated with the new components. If the end user complains about problems and they are still covered by warrantee they will likely get their unit repaired. Most end users will never even know that there was a problem with noise.
Pat
Daniel Jackson
Senior Member
Just got my 717 today and after reading all the neg about focus and laser focus I have been playing with it all afternoon and tonight. Haven't had a single OOF shot. Tried in a dark room on a table of objects and perfect, across the room in dim light perfect, flash perfict, F-1000 perfect, outside in sun, perfect. Unable to duplicate any focus problem. Took 30 shots and no problems so far. Did notice the battery power went from 172 in my 707 to 212 with the 717 using a fully charged battery. Must be the 717 is more efficent. Will be using the 717 this Friday for football so that should be a test of the AF. Love the bright fiewfinder with flash on!
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The same can be said about how mostly "newbies" are the ones having the problems. btw, this is not meant to target you specifically.
Canon S100
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Sony DSC-F717 (bye bye 707)
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Sony DSC-F717 (bye bye 707)
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santa
Senior Member
Ok, for those looking for an example of the f717 inability to focus properly here you go. It's a perfect example
http://www.pbase.com/image/5958835
You will note that there were two subjects. One to the left of the frame, one to the right of the frame. In the middle is the background of the dining area; it can be seen, however dimly and it is also clear that the camera mistakenly focused on the tables in the background. I think Sony could do a much better job. After all, -I- wanted the two people to be in focus, and I think Sony should be able to provide me with a camera that will focus where I think the focus should be! Clearly, in spite of there being TWO proper areas to focus on, the f717 doggedly REFUSED to focus in the correct place and instead chose to focus in the MIDDLE of the frame! What's up with THAT??
And I hope you appreciate me finding this photograph. I shot something like 80 pictures that night and it wasn't easy to find this one. Several shots were attempted hand holds with me bracing against a wall and some of those (not all) were blurry. (and what's up with THAT, Sony? ). But this was the only one I could find that was poorly focused in that dim dining room, so I had to view a LOT of pictures to find this example of Sony's shoddy focusing!
I'm pretty sure the Nikon 5700 would have focused 100% of them correctly. After all it's focus assist is probably much more sophisticated. (5700 owners can chime in here)
One out of 80 pics with a poor focus is not acceptable to me, and it shouldn't be to you either. That's 8% of the pictures! Those of you that agree with me should immediately box up your camera and send it to me in protest. I'll provide the address for any interested parties.
After you send me your camera in protest, go pick up a Nikon 5700. Now THERE is a camera that can focus well in low light. Right? Riiigght?
Just being lighthearted here.
http://www.pbase.com/image/5958835
You will note that there were two subjects. One to the left of the frame, one to the right of the frame. In the middle is the background of the dining area; it can be seen, however dimly and it is also clear that the camera mistakenly focused on the tables in the background. I think Sony could do a much better job. After all, -I- wanted the two people to be in focus, and I think Sony should be able to provide me with a camera that will focus where I think the focus should be! Clearly, in spite of there being TWO proper areas to focus on, the f717 doggedly REFUSED to focus in the correct place and instead chose to focus in the MIDDLE of the frame! What's up with THAT??
And I hope you appreciate me finding this photograph. I shot something like 80 pictures that night and it wasn't easy to find this one. Several shots were attempted hand holds with me bracing against a wall and some of those (not all) were blurry. (and what's up with THAT, Sony? ). But this was the only one I could find that was poorly focused in that dim dining room, so I had to view a LOT of pictures to find this example of Sony's shoddy focusing!
I'm pretty sure the Nikon 5700 would have focused 100% of them correctly. After all it's focus assist is probably much more sophisticated. (5700 owners can chime in here)
One out of 80 pics with a poor focus is not acceptable to me, and it shouldn't be to you either. That's 8% of the pictures! Those of you that agree with me should immediately box up your camera and send it to me in protest. I'll provide the address for any interested parties.
After you send me your camera in protest, go pick up a Nikon 5700. Now THERE is a camera that can focus well in low light. Right? Riiigght?
Just being lighthearted here.
Daniel Jackson
Senior Member
Please read page 47 of the 717 manual Under shooting with AF lock. Discribes your problem exactly.
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I think your answer is on page 47 of the manual.
From the manual:
"When you use digital zoom or the hologram AF, AF operates with priority on subjects in or near the center of the frame. In this case, the AF range finder frame is not displayed"
Was the hologram on? If not, where were the AF green bracket(s) lock to?
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