717 a disaster

Exactly. And yeah, I'm sure he can take it, but it's still rude.

And to clarify, I'm only relating this to bashing Phil, not about bringing up a problem with the camera.

(I'm beginning to think the "Hot" next to thread isn't referring to the thread but people's tempers!)

David Barker said:

Seriously (ish) I assume you were talking about people here
criticising Phil Askey on his own forum? I think Phil can take it -

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Well then you've topped mine!

Hal

Yves P. said:

Hal Fisher said:

Hal

Phil Askey said:

mac west said:

well guess what after two 717s that had focusing problems the third
one focuses much better still not like 707 the @#$% lcd screen and
evf have gone out tried the reset nothing you hear the song and see
nothing this one about 5 hours old. yeah great product of the year
thank god for B&h and sears return policy will not try again.
MAC west NYC
ps waiting for everyone to tell me nothing wrong with camera its me.

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what do you suggest to get the lcd and evf on. immature from a person who only wants to hear good things. so you can attack me all you want but No one has given suggestions just like you shoot the messenger .get back to school the bell is ringing you have to click on it to read it or are there voices in your head.keep up the name calling tuff guy. Mac west NYC

John Burns said:

One last thought. I would rather have my head in the sand than
where yours seems to be.

mac west said:

because I have a problem with it you dont want to hear about it so
start a forum where only people can post good things . stick your
head in the sand and dont read my posts if they make you unhappy
.I didnt know this was about making people happy or informing
people about problems with the product. Mac west NYC

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OK. I won't post about such matters until I have actually images. I'll post just the images and let people decide on their own.

Hal

Shay Stephens said:

Hal Fisher said:

I know your publication is not meant to
really pinpoint problems (hard to get advertisement dollars if you
bash their equipment). Also, got any spare 1Ds laying around

Hal

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My Sony F707 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
My F717 Observations: http://www.shaystephens.com/f717.asp

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Knock on wood, or should I say aluminum or magnesium, I think the F717 I bought is performing to specs. (It better, as I did not buy from Sears.) Which is not to say I've taken many great pictures already - the shorter hours of daylight plus overcast weather are forcing me towards flash or nothing. Perhaps I need to get studio lighting

Assuming it turns out you really have gotten a string of lemons, it would be good to keep track of the serial #s and see if a pattern emerges. Perhaps someone had too much saki a given day and cameras with certain serial numbers are extra suspect.

No a non working lcd and evf is obviously a faulty camera as you have been told previously. TAKE IT BACK.

Snappy comeback BTW. lol

mac west said:

John Burns said:

One last thought. I would rather have my head in the sand than
where yours seems to be.

mac west said:

because I have a problem with it you dont want to hear about it so
start a forum where only people can post good things . stick your
head in the sand and dont read my posts if they make you unhappy
.I didnt know this was about making people happy or informing
people about problems with the product. Mac west NYC

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Lol. What's next the old, your rubber and I'm glue bit?

Hal Fisher said:

Hal

Yves P. said:

Hal Fisher said:

Hal

Phil Askey said:

mac west said:

well guess what after two 717s that had focusing problems the third
one focuses much better still not like 707 the @#$% lcd screen and
evf have gone out tried the reset nothing you hear the song and see
nothing this one about 5 hours old. yeah great product of the year
thank god for B&h and sears return policy will not try again.
MAC west NYC
ps waiting for everyone to tell me nothing wrong with camera its me.

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Kimberly said:

Exactly. And yeah, I'm sure he can take it, but it's still rude.

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True. We all slip once in a while, but there's no excuse for it I suppose.

Kimberly85208 said:

And to clarify, I'm only relating this to bashing Phil, not about
bringing up a problem with the camera.

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That's a relief - this forum would be empty without people bringing up problems!

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mac west said:

well guess what after two 717s that had focusing problems the third
one focuses much better still not like 707 the @#$% lcd screen and
evf have gone out tried the reset nothing you hear the song and see
nothing this one about 5 hours old. yeah great product of the year
thank god for B&h and sears return policy will not try again.
MAC west NYC
ps waiting for everyone to tell me nothing wrong with camera its me.

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Does your microwave oven leak? Does your digital watch burn through batteries in a week or two? When was the last time you were demagnetized?

I suppose it is possible to have compound anti-luck, but this seems extreme. Perhaps it indicates a wild talent of some sort that is incompatible with these cameras? If your devining rods don't seem to find water, how about oil?

I've had days in which I thought all of technology was against me, and nothing I did seemed to go right. Perhaps it will pass. Or perhaps this is nature's way of telling you that you are a film person.

-iNova
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Peter iNova said:

...perhaps this is nature's way of telling you that you are a film
person.

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It's not THAT bad, surely?

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First of all, I think some of you bashing Phil and his review is way out of line! Personally I think his reviews are some of the best on the net. Phil has nothing to gain by misleading you with false reviews of any camera.

I think that there may or will be issues with any cameras but I think you need to wait until there is sufficient numbers of bad cameras that share the same problems before saying that all 717’s are defective.

Until that happens either return the camera or take the problem up with Sony.

You know Sony sells many more cameras to people other than the people on this forum. If they didn’t they would be soon out of the camera business. Sometimes I think that the people on this forum think the only ones buying Sony cameras are the members here. LOL. J

Read all the post on the 717. Just remember that people tend to be quicker to say BAD things (because they are unhappy with their purchase) than the ones that are SATISFIED!

Regards,

wildbill

This is what I am trying to do.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=3525638

arthur said:

Knock on wood, or should I say aluminum or magnesium, I think the
F717 I bought is performing to specs. (It better, as I did not buy
from Sears.) Which is not to say I've taken many great pictures
already - the shorter hours of daylight plus overcast weather are
forcing me towards flash or nothing. Perhaps I need to get studio
lighting

Assuming it turns out you really have gotten a string of lemons, it
would be good to keep track of the serial #s and see if a pattern
emerges. Perhaps someone had too much saki a given day and cameras
with certain serial numbers are extra suspect.

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My galleries
717:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291248045
707:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292056545

Thanks Shay,
For trying to help keep this forum productive and positive.
I understand how frustrating it must be to have an expensive camera
work improperly. But we all must not panic and attack each other.
Lets sort it out and get it fixed. I have a 717 on order and I'm
very concerned. This forum is very important. Lets not let it
degrade.

john Ridgway

Man... sorry to hear that.

All I can offer is to "try, try again"?

Seems that with each release we get two or three folks for whom NOTHING goes right with the camera.

Anyone still here that remembers Willy? He couldn't get an F505V or an F707 that worked to save his life.

Not to make light of your experience at all, mac. But I hope something can be done for you here.

mac west said:

well guess what after two 717s that had focusing problems the third
one focuses much better still not like 707 the @#$% lcd screen and
evf have gone out tried the reset nothing you hear the song and see
nothing this one about 5 hours old. yeah great product of the year
thank god for B&h and sears return policy will not try again.
MAC west NYC
ps waiting for everyone to tell me nothing wrong with camera its me.

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Isabel.

Individuals will have problems with individual units.

YOU worry about yours once YOU see YOURS start to act up or not produce the pics that YOU want.

Okay? Chin up. Let's not go into this with the head hanging down.

Isabel Cutler said:

Quickly losing my enthusiasm with all these negative comments...and
my camera is not even here yet. I sure hope a bunch of people post
some good-old 707 style saturated pictures!!!!!! Neon colors or
not!
Isabel

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipets/?yguid=11497599

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YOUR 717 is not working properly, does that mean the 717 is a disaster?

Does one person of a particular race commiting a crime make that race of people a bad one?

As John said, take back your camera and till you get a good one. It's your right and money, exercise it!

Member said:

John Burns wrote:
No a non working lcd and evf is obviously a faulty camera as you
have been told previously. TAKE IT BACK.
Snappy comeback BTW. lol

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Arvin Chang said:

Hey... I'll trade you my fully functional 707 for your 717, so long
as the EVF/LCD actually works. (I'll "deal" with the hassles of
returning it if it is a dude)

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Mac,

If I just bought a brand new $1000 camera and it couldn't focus in low light, I'd be just as upset as you. If I returned that camera and got another one which didn't work any better, I start blaming the camera and company too. If I returned the 2nd camera only to find other faults in the 3rd, I'd have to seriously start looking to another make/model.

The fact is that many people have received the same camera as you and it is working just fine. Theirs is not the fluke, the batch you apparently are pulling from is the rotten apple of the bunch. If I really wanted this camera I would get it from a source about as far removed as the ones you have been visiting. If you have already done that then there is nothing else I can suggest.

mac west said:

well guess what after two 717s that had focusing problems the third
one focuses much better still not like 707 the @#$% lcd screen and
evf have gone out tried the reset nothing you hear the song and see
nothing this one about 5 hours old. yeah great product of the year
thank god for B&h and sears return policy will not try again.
MAC west NYC
ps waiting for everyone to tell me nothing wrong with camera its me.

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stop pounding on the shutter release in one motion!

the key is to "PRE-FOCUS" but half press.

all too often do i see people in the digital cam dept take a cam in their hands and press the shutter all the way down and then complain that its too slow to shoot or the photo is out of focus.

Digital cams are different animals than film cams. Get a second opinion on your shooting procedures and style from someone at B&H (thats where you said you bought it). Ask a digital cam expert HOW you should pre-focus, compose and shoot.

Your fairly new to this forum so we dont know what your digital cam experience is and we dont presume to know either.
What was your last digi cam???

mac west said:

well guess what after two 717s that had focusing problems the third
one focuses much better still not like 707 the @#$% lcd screen and
evf have gone out tried the reset nothing you hear the song and see
nothing this one about 5 hours old. yeah great product of the year
thank god for B&h and sears return policy will not try again.
MAC west NYC
ps waiting for everyone to tell me nothing wrong with camera its me.

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F717 with no symptons what-so-ever!
Sticker Status: on for now

Akkers -

Fortunately, we can tell from a person's posts and history that they don't have much experience when dealing with other people, which is what it's all about here in the forums.

You've been here for all of three weeks. Now, that's not any sort of a put-down. It's a simple acknowledgment that if there is a problem, don't you think that those with some experience here in the forum and with cameras are going to look into it?

When the first ones to declare an issue with the camera are those who have next to NO history in the forum other than to come in with negativity, then you can be assured that it's THOSE fellows who need to lay the burden of proof down regarding their issue.

Doesn't that make sense to you?

Rest assured that if there is a focus issue, we're going to find it. And if the issue belongs to a certain allotment number from production, we're going to find it.

THe simple reason that Phil didn't originally find the DLS was because that problem did NOT appear until well along in the camera's production run. It wasn't an issue in the earliest of cameras. Even some of the other problems were not consistent issues with all F707 cameras.

Let's relax, put the clubs and spears down and try to figure this out, while you still have one another's help and respect.

Akkers said:

So why dont you guys accept that the 717 CAN and does have problems
that people are talking about on this forum instead of labeling
their problems as 'pyshological'.

This forum should force people to declare in the footer of posts
whether they are members of the Sony Fan Club or if they work for
Sony.

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