Can better equipment make you.....

This is an interesting thread. Currenty I only have a Ixus V and I've been contemplating getting a D30/60 when funds permit.

I'm not sure if moving up that "big" step to a DSLR will make me all that better of a photographer (if I am one in the 1st place).

I'm using the Ixus to take shots and shots and shots. I figure if I learn about composition first, I might be able to be an "ok" photographer in the future.

I envy you guys that have the "eye".



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Chris
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I'm not sure if moving up that "big" step to a DSLR will make me
all that better of a photographer (if I am one in the 1st place).

I'm using the Ixus to take shots and shots and shots. I figure if I
learn about composition first, I might be able to be an "ok"
photographer in the future.
The D-60 will open doors that were always there. Strap a 28-70mm f.2.8L on that sucker and have fun:-)
 
I realise that Thomas. Would love to have a D60.

Prices in Sydney aren't exactly the cheapest, plus the car is the money pit at the moment :)
I'm not sure if moving up that "big" step to a DSLR will make me
all that better of a photographer (if I am one in the 1st place).

I'm using the Ixus to take shots and shots and shots. I figure if I
learn about composition first, I might be able to be an "ok"
photographer in the future.
The D-60 will open doors that were always there. Strap a 28-70mm
f.2.8L on that sucker and have fun:-)
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Chris
http://www.chrislow.com
http://www.pbase.com/chris_low
 
I realise that Thomas. Would love to have a D60.
Prices in Sydney aren't exactly the cheapest, plus the car is the
money pit at the moment :)
I've had a few of those in my time. Can't count the number of weekends I spent changing out bad timing chains, rear ends, clutches or removing a head so I could replace damaged rings:-)

Maybe you'll find an black opal that will put you over the top for a week or two:-)

Wishing you and all your lads the best with what happened in Bali. My bumper sticker says...... "We Gave Peace a Chance".

My prayers to you all.
 
beautiful....both shots actually.....nice to see more images on here....If you were to look at my "main wall" at home....you would see about 30 Images

about 24 of them are from my Canon G2...beautiful, stunning, pictures....

the other 6 are from my D60, which I've had since end of May....

I haven't touched the G2, sinc3e getting the DSLR, and soon I will have mastered it to the point, that I had the previous camera......slowly but surely, the G2 images get replaced by the D60 images....but only if they are real "keepers"....I mean, keepers worthy of large prints....(you know what I mean)

I think that if you had inferior equipment, your vision would still have gotten a beautiful shot, just would have been a little different....

still, the right tool for the right job, is a large part of it.....
 
broke.....

Yes.....

Otherwise no, better equipment can help you technically but asthetically if you don't have the heart and eye for it no amount of money can make you a better shooter.

Kevin
 
Thanks Thomas. Its quite horrific to see it so close to home.
I've had a few of those in my time. Can't count the number of
weekends I spent changing out bad timing chains, rear ends,
clutches or removing a head so I could replace damaged rings:-)

Maybe you'll find an black opal that will put you over the top for
a week or two:-)

Wishing you and all your lads the best with what happened in Bali.
My bumper sticker says...... "We Gave Peace a Chance".

My prayers to you all.
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Chris
http://www.chrislow.com
http://www.pbase.com/chris_low
 
Some "know it all" photographer (quoted in the LA Times?) said that
the camera is the least important part of photography.

;)
Sounds like Ansel but my guess is Hockney.

Kevin
 
I can take the same shots with my C2100 that I can with my D60 and the UZI even allows full creativity via it's manual mode (it also has the equivalent of a 38-380 F2.8-3.5 IS L lens on too ;-) you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference at 6X4, it's the workload which is easier with the D60 so long as it's fitted with a competant lens and the quality in general which makes the difference - 8x10 is really the UZIs max print size, I can't afford a printer which is capable of printing the D60s max comfortable size! :) .. a lousy photographer will get bad results from both, a good one will of course be otherwise..

Of course there are cameras which hinder the user to such a point that badly exposed photos, OOF shots etc will dog even David Bailey.. Put a Tokina 35-300 lens on a 1DS and I bet ya I'll get better results from a geriatric Nikon 950 ;-).....

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a better photographer. Between taking 100 times as many images as I ever did on film & checking exposure etc on the LCD with histogram, just the practice alone has been invaluable.

Better equipment mainly removes some of the limitations of the cheaper stuff.

-John
 
make you a better photographer but it may make it easier or in some cases even possible to capture an image.

Sometimes new equipment may have a side effect on you doing more photography which ultimately will help you get better.

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Michael Salzlechner
StarZen Digital Imaging
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I think you are trying to say that Digital has made you a better photographer because of the immediate feedback you get. So you can learn the effects your settings - faster.

However taking your Dxx what ever you own down in the pond with out a h20 housing will not make you a better photographer or evern using it with a housing or a pro underwater camera.

My point is that I think some of biggest challenges of cheap lens, cheap flash, cheap body force you to learn how to make the best pictures.

Its nice when you can use a studio setup with lites and and all. However being able to get a good picture when the conditions are not the best is where you can learn to become a better photographer.

I Think that Digital has been invaluable for me to hone my skills with the immediate feedback. Also settings that i would not dream of doing on film in a wedding I try becuase I have the ability to see feedback and CF are plentiful.

Barry Shulam
http://www.phototails.net
a better photographer?

I say it can.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1067058

This shot was taken this afternoon.

Natural light captured by a D-30.

Lens was a Tamron 14mm.

Setting was f/5.6 and ISO was 200

Timed exposure on a tripod was I think six seconds.

My point, I think better equipment will help bring the best out of
someone that has taken the time to learn the craft.

I used Corel Photo-Paint 9 for post processing and printed the
image out on the Canon S9000.

Do you think that better equipment will help you become a better
photographer?
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Barry Shulam
 
the weekend prior to owning my D60 I captured some images of my son's soccer team playing with my Olymous C2100UZ and my wife saw them - the following week I tcaptured images of my son's soccer team with my D60 and 70-200Lf4 and my wife said - boy have you improved : )

At that time she did not know I had bought the D60 although I had been dropping pretty huge hints.

The improvements came from better glass, a much wider range of shutter speed and aperature, 6 MPs vs 2 MPs, AI Servo, etc. The main challenge is keeping the main focus point on the moving subject. I still have got to learn when to use which exposure mode.

Jim
 
the weekend prior [...]
I had a similar experience. I used to think that expensive cameras were a waste of money - just a basic SLR was enough, I thought. My reasoning was as suggested here really.. I thought that it was more important what you pointed it at, and how you did it. When I got my D30 I realized how wrong I'd been. I'm now comitted to carrying around house-brick sized cameras for the rest of my days, because I know nothing else will do.

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An analogy I may have already bored people with... when I learned to snowboard I did it on a rental plank. I then bought what at the time was a mid-range board, which I thrashed as hard as I could. One day I bought a top-end race board, and my breath was literally taken away by the difference in my performance on the new board compared with the old. I just flew. It was so fast I could barely hang on. My skill level didn't change across that one day, I just got a tool which was better at the job in hand.
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Second analogy... I could toggle software into my computer a bit at a time. I've done it, and it's a great skill. On the other hand it would be stupid to do so today and I'd actually have very little respect for any engineer who did that without good reason. The users of the programs don't care how they were input.
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Phil
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My point, I think better equipment will help bring the best out of
someone that has taken the time to learn the craft.
Timed exposure on a tripod was I think six seconds.
Ha! The secret of sharp low light photographs with a D-30/D-60
has been found! You had a tripod.

Many people would have run out and buy a 70-200mm 2.8L IS len
and attempted to take this photograph hand-held. Then clean it
up in Photoshop and then scream and yell at the top of their lungs
the benfits of this using this expense len.

A simple solution is the best solution.

Bill
 
I think you are trying to say that Digital has made you a better
photographer because of the immediate feedback you get. So you can
learn the effects your settings - faster.
So, based upon your above, better equipment will help a person become a better photographer.
My point is that I think some of biggest challenges of cheap lens, cheap > flash, cheap body force you to learn how to make the best pictures.
I haven't a clue who filled your head with that sort of pond water.

Having a degree in Professional Photography, I've been through the training drills. There's a difference between using quality basic equipment to learn the basics of exposure and lighting as opposed to frustrating yourself with equipment that won't do the job because of inexpensive or limited design.

It's okay to assume and the assumption being made when comments about equipment are made is that a PHOTOGRAPHERS is buying the equipment as opposed to Grandma buying the equipment to take shots of her Grandchildren.

People that repeat and support these sorts of comments, to me, have chained their minds because some pseudo intellectual said that "Better equipment won't make a better photographer." Therefore, why buy the equipment, it's not going to help me improve.

Balderdash!

Buying better equipment will help image quality. Better printers will give better prints. A better computer and post-processing programs will allow for more digital-darkroom manipulation. All will help create higher quality final prints making for a better photographer.

Are you really saying that better equipment won't help a person with their composition? Are you really saying that better equipment won't help a person evaluate and understand the complexities of dynamic range of exposure? Are you really saying that better equipment won't help a person ferret out interesting images? Are you really saying that people don't have a chance of improving?

But won't better equipment encourage a person to go out and try and isn't that what it's all about?

So what I'm reading in this flawed comment is, in a studio, don't bother getting better lighting equipment because you'll just be wasting your time. You won't learn anything with this new lighting equipment and learning won't help you get better lighting. You're a loser and you'll always be a loser. Don't get the better lenses. Why? Image quality doesn't matter. You're a loser and your photographs really, really blow and you shouldn't use better lenses as a vehicle in your attempts to improve.

The way I read the better equipment quote is that the general person is just a pathetic excuse for a photographer and shouldn't even be allowed to look at images of better equipment because they'll never be a better photographer until they've mastered badly/cheaply designed equipment.

We're talking pond water here. And then the egotist makes their philosophical comment which really is another way of saying "Oh and by the way, step aside looser and let someone that knows how to capture images by so they can do their God given job of photographing this building." Well, I think the guys comment should cause him to lose his humbleness badge:-)

Better equipment will help a person become a better photographer because it will encourage them to go out and take more images and learn from their mistakes. Everybody has admitted it in a backhanded way by pointing out that better equipment can improve image quality and that new equipment will encourage a person to get out and try.

Isn't that what it's all about..... trying.
 
a better photographer?

I say it can.
I agree with Judi's comment (above).

"Seldom does a photograph succeed because of unusual technique or exotic equipment. It succeeds for one reason. Because the photograph was well seen." - Derek Doeffinger from The Art of Seeing

On the other hand, I've been corresponding with another photographer who is thinking of selling his pictures. He is excellent. His pictures on the net look fantastic and could sell (I believe). But . . . all his great shots were taken with a 2MP digital. I haven't seen a 16x20 print from 2MP but I don't think they would sell very well.

Better equipment will enable a good photographer make better quality photographs.
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Tom
 
Around here, everyone gets smacked for saying better equipment makes better photographer. I agree w/you and I understand what you are trying to say. Please excuse me, because I would like to rephrase it to,

"Better equipment allows you to reach your POTENTIAL."

For example: You are shooting Pro Football. You have all the skills necessary to shoot Pro Football action, but this Canon G2 is slowing you down and maybe get you 2 good photo per game. On the other hand, a 1D will allow you to use your skills and reach your potential, and possibly get you higher percentage of keepers.

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Simon-Ph
 
Some "know it all" photographer (quoted in the LA Times?) said that
the camera is the least important part of photography.
Least important, yes, but utterly indespensable. I created many beautiful photos for years but no one ever saw them until I started creating them with a camera.
 

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