HS-10 and S100 fs Jpeg ...

... I dragged both cameras out today and, shooting both in Jpeg, got some interesting results.

I'll give my conclusions up front.

The S100 fs is a better Jpeg machine than the HS-10. The NR which kicks in on the HS-10, though not always (??), can really destroy detail. Even before doing this, I had determined to shoot Raw, now even more so.

That being said, the HS-10 seems to have better colour in Jpeg, using Chrome that is.

If comparing Raw to Raw, the S100 fs has some advantage, but the HS-10 is still doing very well. See the last image.

Incidentally, I took several side-by-side Jpeg's. The results were similar, or worse. So, I shan't bother showing them

Cheers.

Image 1.

HS-10 left, shot in Chrome, ISO 200, DR 200%, -0.3 EV.

S100 fs right, shot in Astia, ISO 200, DR 200%.

Both cameras at about 150 mm. Images are not edited Not even sharpened.



Image 2.

Both images cropped. Not just magnified, but cropped to original image dimensions, albeit in the vertical.



Image 3.

S100 fs left (28 mm) and HS-10 right (24 mm). Same settings as above images.

Images are not edited - Not even sharpened.



Image 4.

Same as above except magnified in PS to 50%. I won't show 100%. It's not pretty.



Image 5.

All is not lost.

HS-10 left, S100 fs right. ISO 200. Both shot in Raw and processed in Silky Pix DS Pro. Images processed to squeeze the last drops out, without excess noise. No NR was applied.

Both images sized to print at 16 x 21" and shown in PS at print size.



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Seems that the HS10 are sharper, clearer, and better saturated. Glad I have the HS10. Thanks for sharing. Keep shooting and enjoying.

Bodhi-U said:

Seems that the HS10 are sharper, clearer, and better saturated. Glad I have the HS10. Thanks for sharing. Keep shooting and enjoying.

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Interesting...I would have said the opposite, the S100 seems to have the edge on sharpness and clarity from what I saw of the above. Thanks for the comparisons, Lloydy!

Dave, I notice the HS10 smears the foilage a bit more, but it appears the S100 has more purple fringing on some of the shots.. maybe just me.

In my view, HS-10 produces the best pictures. In addition, without the purple fringning...nice

PerH

To my inexperienced eyes the S100FS is much sharper (mushy leaves HS10) but I like the overall tone/color of the HS10... If we could get options to control NR in the HS10 (off, low, med, high) maybe we could at least minimize the "Mushy Leaves" syndrome...?

Or is it more than that, Dave...?

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I used to referee minor hockey and often told I was blind because of calls I made. That said, I'm beginning to believe I was, because I prefer the HS10 shots.

Nice work as usual and much appreciated, Dave.

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WinGsor said:

I used to referee minor hockey and often told I was blind because of calls I made. That said, I'm beginning to believe I was, because I prefer the HS10 shots.

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One thing with looking at photographs...SO much is in the eye of the beholder. If you prefer the HS10 shots...then that really means the HS10 shots ARE better. If I look at the same set and prefer the S100s then the S100s ARE better...and to our senses/perceptions/preferences, we're BOTH right

The S100 does look sharper to me, but not by much. In the last shot with the foliage, they are very close and it's a hard call on which is better.

I'm glad the HS10 can get so close to the S100 despite it's smaller sensor and only those who own both and can do a side-by-side comparison can really tell the difference.

Too bad the HS10 doesn't have the option to specify NR in JPEG, since that's all I typically shoot Maybe a firmware update can fix/add that option.

Fuji are you listening!!
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Some of the HS-10 shots are better than the S100fs, IMO.

But the lesson here is that the two are a LOT closer than some would have thought - or believed. In fact, only the most discriminating eye can discern the difference in most cases, and that 's a real tribute to to the HS-10.

Thanks, Dave - the HS-10 is back on my wish list again.

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Thanks for doing this side-by-side.

I'm confused by your images that appear to be screen caps of a PS window. If that is the case, you would need to capture them at 100% view in PS for accurate representation of the pixel.

Can't you just crop from actual size of the processed image and post it instead of doing the intermediate step with the screen cap? Would seem more accurate to me.

Thanks for the effort.

don
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Is there some reason why you would shoot one cam in Chrome and the other in Astia and then attempt some sort of comparison?

The only difference that I can find is a little less DR for HS10. Or more contrast applied?

For people who take pictures and don't like to PP and print them at reasonably small sizes the HS-10 is OK.

To do any PP on an image you need to work on it viewed at 100% especially when sharpening, the trouble is the HS-10 images look bloody awful at 100% and I have tried working on a few images and there is not a lot of leeway for correction.

I honestly don't understand how the HS-10 can produce nice crisp images of an object in the foreground or anything with a hard edge yet it totally destroys any trees or foliage in the background. In fact it seems to handle fur better than the old Fuji's you just have to make sure there is no grass, trees or bushes in your pictures.

Looking at your images above Dave the S100fs kicks the HS-10's ass, big time.

I honestly can't see you keeping it.

Paul.

sorinx said:

The only difference that I can find is a little less DR for HS10. Or more contrast applied?

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How about Chrome versus Astia? It's a 'creative' comparison.

I also like the HS10 better thanks for posting
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PAUL TILL said:

Looking at your images above Dave the S100fs kicks the HS-10's ass, big time.

I honestly can't see you keeping it.

Paul.

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Oh, so you were one of those people calling me blind.

However, convinced against one's will, is of the same opinion still. Good job, HS10 !

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great job Lloydy...i agree with paul....seeing how you have mastered the f200...how about some comparisons with the HS-10...that would prove very interesting...thanx

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WinGsor said:

I used to referee minor hockey and often told I was blind because of calls I made. That said, I'm beginning to believe I was, because I prefer the HS10 shots.

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One thing with looking at photographs...SO much is in the eye of the beholder. If you prefer the HS10 shots...then that really means the HS10 shots ARE better. If I look at the same set and prefer the S100s then the S100s ARE better...and to our senses/perceptions/preferences, we're BOTH right

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I hear ya ! A perfect example of that. I had a 2006 pearl yellow ( corvette yellow ) Goldwing motorcycle, good for both visibility and pleasing to the eye. You either hated the color, or loved it. However, that's what make's things interesting in life, and it would be very boring indeed if everyone had the same taste in everything.

Roger

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Paul is well known for his hatred of the HS-10. But to say that in these images the "S100fs kicks the HS-10's ass" and that HS-10 images at 100% are "bloody awful" is absurd beyond belief.

Look at the other replies ... most everyone is saying there is so little difference in the two cameras' images that it's virtually impossible to distinguish one from the other. Maybe Paul has some kind of magic monitor that resolves unfavorable image characteristics no one else can see (but I sincerely doubt that).

Paul is entitled to his opinion, no matter how warped it may be, but when he makes posts like this he merely further waters down his waning credibility.

That's MY opinion!

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WinGsor said:

PAUL TILL said:

Looking at your images above Dave the S100fs kicks the HS-10's ass, big time.

I honestly can't see you keeping it.

Paul.

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Oh, so you were one of those people calling me blind.

However, convinced against one's will, is of the same opinion still. Good job, HS10 !

Roger
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