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I have to decide on which of these to keep within the next few hours. I shoot landscape at base ISO but zoom is handy for nature shots that appear without warning and also for picking out stuff like boats etc.

SX 10 is light and has longer zoom but S100FS has better IQ, what freaks me out is the CA issue. I had a very early copy and it was bad. I do have Lightroom 1.4 which supports S100FS and could shoot RAW and then remove CA but RAW files are massive, can CA be corrected in jpeg's ? only other issue is weight of S100 against SX10, really difficult decision but will IQ difference be that much at base ISO ?
 
The SX10 has the best image quality of all the pinhead sensor cams (1:2.3" and smaller), especially at the long end -- pinheads do that horrible blooming, red burn, CA glow thing at full zoom, even the FZ38, the SX10's slow lens is better but it can't match the Fuji Sx00 for natural looking long zoom shots, even the S200EXR which is easily outresolved by the SX10 makes a nicer looking 400mm Photo due to lack of noise, NR and artifacts ..

The Big Downer for the Fuji Sx00 is SIZE, they're almost as big as a D80 + Sigma 18-200DC (probably bigger than a D40X) and there's no comparison there for image quality at all ISOs, the DSLR wins, no comparison for speed, the DSLR wins and no comparison for versatility eihter, the DSLR wins (and that's merely a D80, not a D90 or the smaller D5000)..

the Like the SX109, the S100 can't be bought new but both it and the S200 when found are a lot cheaper than just a superzoom lens for the DSLR (unless you luck out and get a non decentered 18-200DC non OS which is optically better and a lot smaller than the OS version) .. The SX 10 is smaller than the S100 and the FZ38 even fits in a coat pocket so pinheads have their advantages.

Just my take





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The SX10 (as well as the SX20) has bad CA issues. Some people who don't view the images at 100% might not have a problem with that, but if you do, you will probably not be happy.

For a while I was looking for a superzoom compact, but I kind of gave up, the IQ is mostly horrible in all the cameras.. The Fuji ones are better, but they are not smaller than a DSLR, so what's the point?
 
Many thanks guys for the replies which is pretty much where I am with both of these, the SX10 is the best of the pin head sensors but the S100 beats it, the weight and size issue however is where the decision needs to be made and I am all over the place. If we ask whats the point in the S100 versus a dslr with a superzoom then I have had both and for the extra expense the dslr advantage is small for me as I never go above ISO 100.

Dunno what to do,only know I've got less than one hour to decide, many thanks for the help though.
 
These are superb for a pin head sensor, and to be honest I think I am going to go for the Canon, although I think I might be coming here for help, posted the question on here and the CTF at the same time, no replies on the CTF, so many thanks to all who took the time.
 
They look nice at that size. If that size is good for you, then I strongly recommend the Olympus SP 800, which has ab 840mm zoom, and looks horrible when viewed at 100%, but looks quite nice when viewed at this small size.
 
Hello AdamT:

So you believe the SX10 IS jpg will out resolve a FZ35/38 RAW file?
What about the newer SX20 IS?

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AdamT said:
The SX10 has the best image quality of all the pinhead sensor cams (1:2.3" and smaller), especially at the long end -- pinheads do that horrible blooming, red burn, CA glow thing at full zoom, even the FZ38, the SX10's slow lens is better but it can't match the Fuji Sx00 for natural looking long zoom shots, even the S200EXR which is easily outresolved by the SX10 makes a nicer looking 400mm Photo due to lack of noise, NR and artifacts ..

The Big Downer for the Fuji Sx00 is SIZE, they're almost as big as a D80 + Sigma 18-200DC (probably bigger than a D40X) and there's no comparison there for image quality at all ISOs, the DSLR wins, no comparison for speed, the DSLR wins and no comparison for versatility eihter, the DSLR wins (and that's merely a D80, not a D90 or the smaller D5000)..

the Like the SX109, the S100 can't be bought new but both it and the S200 when found are a lot cheaper than just a superzoom lens for the DSLR (unless you luck out and get a non decentered 18-200DC non OS which is optically better and a lot smaller than the OS version) .. The SX 10 is smaller than the S100 and the FZ38 even fits in a coat pocket so pinheads have their advantages.

Just my take





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Larry Winters said:
So you believe the SX10 IS jpg will out resolve a FZ35/38 RAW file?
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I don't remember saying that.. the SX10 doesn't outresolve the FZ38 in JPG (probably about the same with PP) but the SX10's images have less artifacts, especially at the long end, Canon's NR is more cunning too.

As it happens, I've yet to get an FZ38 RAW file to outresolve an FZ38 JPG !! , I only have ACR though which keeps the noise down (despite the NR being "off" and why I never use ACR as a benchmark and why DPR should not) but there's little detail either..
Larry Winters said:
What about the newer SX20 IS?
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Yeck - they blew it (10Mp seems the limit for that lens and that generation of procesisng engine) like Pan no doubt will blow it with a 14Mp FZ40

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Hello Adam T:

I asked the question wrong by implying you had stated that...I should have added a "do" in the so you believe...

Thanks for the other observations...I haven't tried a Canon bridge since I first owned a Panny FZ30 and probably never will go back...

I also hope the HS10 will equal the FZ35 in IQ and if it does with all the extra features will be a great success...I will be using the video more than most here so I'm anxious to compare the 720p from the FZ35 to the supposed 1080p from the HS10...Also be interesting to see just how much of all that shaking on the HS10 videos is really operator error...I use a 1lb Manfrotto monopod almost all the time for serious on the move video so I really don't invision too much shaking below 500mm...

lw
AdamT said:
Adam-T said:
So you believe the SX10 IS jpg will out resolve a FZ35/38 RAW file?
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I don't remember saying that.. the SX10 doesn't outresolve the FZ38 in JPG (probably about the same with PP) but the SX10's images have less artifacts, especially at the long end, Canon's NR is more cunning too.

As it happens, I've yet to get an FZ38 RAW file to outresolve an FZ38 JPG !! , I only have ACR though which keeps the noise down (despite the NR being "off" and why I never use ACR as a benchmark and why DPR should not) but there's little detail either..
Adam-T said:
What about the newer SX20 IS?
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Yeck - they blew it (10Mp seems the limit for that lens and that generation of procesisng engine) like Pan no doubt will blow it with a 14Mp FZ40

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Larry Winters said:
I also hope the HS10 will equal the FZ35 in IQ
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from the samples I've seen so far, including the RAWs, it's quite a far way off, and even more so when the FZ is resized down to 10Mp (the HS10 looks like upsampled 4 or 5Mp images to me) - BTW I find the FZ35 is actually good even at ISO400, it's 800 where it falls apart..

FZ35 in JPG at 300mm Equiv full size image (click on Original)





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If you are keeping the pinhead camera, where are you retuning the S100fs to... and why did you only have an hour to decide? Seems sort of rushed to make such an important decision.
 
If I had to choose between the 2 I would take the S100FS.
You may want to look at the new HS-10 thou
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Ahem !!, I bought an SX10 on eBay from Canon, refurbished, but started getting the jitters, don,t really know why as I had one last year and it was really good. On an impulse I bought an S100FS last night when I was told a mint one with two spare batteries and case was going for £246 at a camera shop very near me. The SX10 was bought last week and I knew it would be delivered today so if I was going to send it back I would have had to allow the S100Fs purchase run,in the event I phoned the shop at 9am and cancelled the Fuji, the SX10 has arrived, and I had forgotten how small it was.

I just want to say a very big thank-you to you all for taking the time to post your experiences and for those who were kind enough to upload images, that pretty much swung it for me, CTF have still to reply !!, oh well they will all be away at the war between the S90 and the G10 and won,t have time for tubes like me, :-( Hoping the HS10 is all you hope for,
regards donald
 
Donald M Mackinnon said:
S100FS last night when I was told a mint one with two spare batteries and case was going for £246 at a camera shop very near me.
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Yowch !! you can get a brand new S200EXR for that !! - I'd have thought £150 was closer to the going rate for a used S100 (Cases and spare batts add little in resale value) !

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I came home from work to find the SX10 had been delivered and took it out to do some test shots. The first thing I noticed was a dark spot on the lcd when the camera was switched on, best way to describe it is that it looked like sensor dust. When I got home I was amazed to find the large spot in the images !!!!, and for all the world it looks like sensor dust !!!.

The camera was bought on eBay from Canon, sold as refurbished with a years warranty but this one was certainly not checked with a card in it.
Oh well, back to the drawing board, more later.
 
CA can be corrected in Lightroom. You need to go under the develop tab and look for lens correction. Adjust the red/cyan and/or blue/yellow, this should help with the CA.

I have used this technique and it can work wonders.
 
If you look at this taken today with the SX10 you can see the dark spot, to the right of the bird's beak, halfway between it and the edge of the image, even worse against a sky and it looks huge in the LCD, so much for this,

http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/5462/2h/www.digitalriver.com/v2.0-img/operations/canonuk/site/productdetail/types.htm

Just wish you could see the state of this camera compared to refurbished Fuji's. I have to admit I thought it was the same as the Fuji's, my S200 EXR was a Fuji refur'b and this Canon fooled me because it came in the original box with a new set of manuals and CD all shrink wrapped, but having looked at it closely it really is a sad example of refurbished.
Next laugh is, where do I go from here ?

 
is the best answer - I've not heard of this as being a standard issue with the SX10 (unlike a lot of Fujis), it was obviously why it was returned in the first place, they tested it wideopen obviously so the spot didn't show up

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Well Adam, I hear what you say but right now I want to buy new and avoid "someone else's cast off's" from Canon. What do you think of the FZ 35 ?, I had the S200 but I didn't like the 30mm end and I was never happy with the metering.

Only other option is the S100FS if I don't go for the FZ35, unless of course I wait for the HS10 ? maybe need to be patient but on holiday tomorrow for a fortnight and would love to have something in place for next week.
 
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