Relax, knowing that you have fully funded your IRA, your retirement investments are in order, your kid's education has been taken care of and you have excellent health you deserve to get the camera you want. That should have settled those silly nerves....
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nearly-an-old-codger
Veteran Member
Am I right is assuming you get the high frame rate with rechargables as well as standard bats?
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Brian
MomEngineer
Leading Member
Yes, you get the 8fps with 8 AA batteries or 1 ENEL4 battery.
Ingrid M
Senior Member
I've had mine since June last year after moving over from Oly.
Comparing the D90 to the D700 is like comparing a four cylinder to a big block. Same company makes 'em but totally different output and functions.
I got the chance to use a friend's D90 a few weeks back because she wanted to try out my wide combo (with the 14-24) and although very nice, convenient (with the 18-200) and somewhat more portable, I was happy to get my 'big block' back again. I've never had an issue with the size and weight of the D700 setup because it delivers!
I know it's a fortune to lay out (particularly like me who was coming from another system with a good lineup of lenses, to Nikon with NO lenses) but I'm very glad I made the change. The pain and worry of having to make such a big investment disappears when you see the image quality out of the new equipment.
I also have the D300 as a backup, which I really like for daytime/action work but the D700 is my camera of choice.
Lastly, don't be too quick to judge your new cameras ... allow yourselves time to learn their ways and try not to compare them to what you have now. There's always a settling in period with any new camera, after that you'll never look back.
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Ingrid
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Comparing the D90 to the D700 is like comparing a four cylinder to a big block. Same company makes 'em but totally different output and functions.
I got the chance to use a friend's D90 a few weeks back because she wanted to try out my wide combo (with the 14-24) and although very nice, convenient (with the 18-200) and somewhat more portable, I was happy to get my 'big block' back again. I've never had an issue with the size and weight of the D700 setup because it delivers!
I know it's a fortune to lay out (particularly like me who was coming from another system with a good lineup of lenses, to Nikon with NO lenses) but I'm very glad I made the change. The pain and worry of having to make such a big investment disappears when you see the image quality out of the new equipment.
I also have the D300 as a backup, which I really like for daytime/action work but the D700 is my camera of choice.
Lastly, don't be too quick to judge your new cameras ... allow yourselves time to learn their ways and try not to compare them to what you have now. There's always a settling in period with any new camera, after that you'll never look back.
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Ingrid
If the grass is greener on the other side of the fence ....
WATER YOUR OWN LAWN !!!
http://ingridmatschke.smugmug.com
peterclark55
Senior Member
georgeRC
Leading Member
Well yes, 50mm will work with FF for a "full length portrait". The problem is in our language - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait
Since the OP was talking about a shift from DX to FX, I was concerned to caution about this. I hope I wasn't, in effect, as crude in making my point as my critic; but you are right that 50mm will work with FX if we aren't too concerned with facial expression.
Since the OP was talking about a shift from DX to FX, I was concerned to caution about this. I hope I wasn't, in effect, as crude in making my point as my critic; but you are right that 50mm will work with FX if we aren't too concerned with facial expression.
I like to get in close and most of my portraits are family and friends who are used to me inches away from them with a camera in their face.
I was thinking of the 35mm 1.8 on my D90 as a rough equivalent for the 50mm 1.8 on the D700
. . . but I might have overlooked the fact that the 35mm 1.8 can focus pretty close.
I use the 35mm all the time for this--but I agree that for most FX portrait work I'd want to stick with the 85 or 105.
Well, there's always the change jar inn the kitchen. There's got to be at least twenty bucks in quarters and dimes in that thing.
Got it three or four hours ago. Only been able to take a dozen or so shots, but OMFG!
This thing is amazing. The viewfinder! The heft! The AF system! Did I mention the viewfinder?
Too much to take in all at once, but I have no qualms about the purchase now.
Thanks to everyone who helped me with the pre-ship jitters. Hope to be able to post some images over the weekend.
This thing is amazing. The viewfinder! The heft! The AF system! Did I mention the viewfinder?
Too much to take in all at once, but I have no qualms about the purchase now.
Thanks to everyone who helped me with the pre-ship jitters. Hope to be able to post some images over the weekend.
nearly-an-old-codger
Veteran Member
Enjoy - I still am!
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Hey I just saw that Nikon announced the new D700. It actually will have a new name, the D700xs. Same price as the now out of production D700. Oh yeah, the X means it will have a variable pixel density sensor or VPDS. At lower resolution,(14 mega pixel it goes to ISO 500K, the highest resolution is 28 mega pixels.
Just kidding, have a great time learning your new D700, glad it worked out for you.
Just kidding, have a great time learning your new D700, glad it worked out for you.
bob elkind
Veteran Member
Gograh,
You're now obliged to post a photo of your dog. Your dog may resemble a cat or a bird, and that's OK. We just want our dog...
Welcome to the club
-- Bob Elkind
Family, mostly sports. Seriously, folks, I'm not that good. If I can do it, you can do it!
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
You're now obliged to post a photo of your dog. Your dog may resemble a cat or a bird, and that's OK. We just want our dog...
Welcome to the club
-- Bob Elkind
Family, mostly sports. Seriously, folks, I'm not that good. If I can do it, you can do it!
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
dwight3
Senior Member
That's right! Show us your dog!
bob elkind
Veteran Member
As you are painfully aware, the MB-D10 is but a fraction of the cost of the 'full meal deal' which includes the battery cover (BL-3), battery (EN-EL4a), and charger (MH-21 or MH-22).
First off, the AA path will indeed enable 8FPS on the D700. You won't get 600 frames plus chimp time with the AAs, but it will be much lower cost than the full-boat Nikon kit. You will need some AA NiMH cells, and a proper charger (if you don't already have one).
If you rarely use the grip, you're likely to prefer the 2000mAH low-self-discharge batteries which can wait for months for you to load them for a shooting session, without losing much of their charge. If you plan on shooting weddings, you're likely to prefer the conventional 2800mAH cells which will provide more shots and chimping between refills. The best deals for either (including charger) are on either eBay or http://www.thomasdistributing.com . For insight into battery basics, care, and feeding, visit http://www.batteryuniversity.com .
If you want to consider the take-no-prisoners EN-EL4a approach, here are some helps.
First, let's mention Phottix Kosmo. It's a single-package 3rd party substitute for all of the following: BL-3 end cap, EN-EL4a battery, and MH-21/22 charger. They are primarily sold on eBay, but they are showing up in camera stores as well. The package sells for well under $100. Overall the user feedback on this product has been mostly favourable, but not unanimous. Considering the cost savings, and that you are able to get by if you want to return it, it's worth considering. Note also that Kosmo is designed specifically and exclusively for the MB-D10 grip. It will not fit in cameras, it won't charge in an MH-21/22 charger, and it won't fit in 3rd party MB-D10 substitutes. Conversely the Kosmo charger won't charge a Nikon EN-EL4a battery, just Kosmo.
Next, you may wish to consider a 3rd party EN-EL4a knockoff. I would strongly advise against that. You'd be better off with a Kosmo than a knock-off EN-EL4a. The knock-off battery will still need a charger, and compatibility with the MH-21/22 chargers is not a sure thing (hint: been there, done that). With Kosmo, you are assured of compatibility between battery and charger, because they both come in the same package.
Let's say you want to stick with the Nikon EN-EL4a battery (typical cost is over $100). You'll need an end cap for the MB-D10. Here there is some small help from 3rd party products, without much risk. It's a piece of plastic, what can go wrong? (answer: not much). You can find 3rd party subs for the BL-3 end cap which will save you about half the cost of the BL-3. And they do fit the MB-D10.
Charger time. 3rd party chargers for EN-EL4a batteries have recently come on the market (see eBay, your one-stop shopping mall!). I have no experience with them, you might want to check.
The MH-21 charger costs over $100, and the MH-22 charger costs considerably more. The MH-22 dual-slot charger provides very little added value over the MH-21: it merely allows you to queue up two batteries for sequential charging (not concurrent charging) at a time. It will charge two batteries in the same time that the MH-21 can charge two batteries. Also, there is little to zero risk in purchasing a used Nikon MH-21 or MH-22 charger and saving a bit of cash. A used charger should work just as well as a new one, and they'll both look the same in a few months, anyway.
When/if you buy an EN-EL4a battery, you should buy it from a high-volume dealer. Li-Ion batteries have a shelf life, much like lead-acid car batteries. You want one fresh off the production line, not one that has been waiting for you for a year.
If you decide to go Nikon EN-EL4a all the way, you can expect to spend another $250 to $300 on top of the cost of the MB-D10. It's just money, right?
There! That's everything I know on the subject... and more.
Congrats on the new camera, and don't forget to post your dog picture.
-- Bob Elkind
Family, mostly sports. Seriously, folks, I'm not that good. If I can do it, you can do it!
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
Going against the grain here and say you're on the path to disappointment and lighter pockets.
I'm going to make the assumption that you're a hobbyist photographer, not a professional. I'm going to also assume that you're like most hobbyists around here that purchase the D700, or any other expensive pro/prosumer camera and lenses, for the absolute wrong reasons. I believe 95% purchase this camera because:
A) They need to satisfy their ever-present toy lust.
B) They need to satisfy their ever-present status lust.
C) They're dissatisfied with their photography skills and think a new expensive camera will improve them.
D) Combination of the above.
The problem with purchasing something like the D700 is that it only provides temporary relief of A and B and does nothing for C except for maybe rekindling their interest and motivation to improve their photography skills but that also wears off, especially after the next model comes out and they deceive themselves into thinking they again need a new expensive model to bring their skills to the "next level".
The truth is that the D700's IQ is nearly equivalent to the D90 for low-ISO use, save for some extra headroom and the ever-present "I need the original 35mm FOV" to realize my photographic goals. The additional stuff that the D700 brings to the table, like the viewfinder, FPS, AF, configurability, controls, etc... are mostly wasted on the dilettante. For most, a D40/D60/D5000 with a single kit lens would serve them very well and save them a lot of money and disillusionment. This is the nasty little secret of the photography business and Nikon/Canon are well served to step out of the way and allow it to perpetuate.
I hope you prove me wrong. Hope springs eternal.
I'm going to make the assumption that you're a hobbyist photographer, not a professional. I'm going to also assume that you're like most hobbyists around here that purchase the D700, or any other expensive pro/prosumer camera and lenses, for the absolute wrong reasons. I believe 95% purchase this camera because:
A) They need to satisfy their ever-present toy lust.
B) They need to satisfy their ever-present status lust.
C) They're dissatisfied with their photography skills and think a new expensive camera will improve them.
D) Combination of the above.
The problem with purchasing something like the D700 is that it only provides temporary relief of A and B and does nothing for C except for maybe rekindling their interest and motivation to improve their photography skills but that also wears off, especially after the next model comes out and they deceive themselves into thinking they again need a new expensive model to bring their skills to the "next level".
The truth is that the D700's IQ is nearly equivalent to the D90 for low-ISO use, save for some extra headroom and the ever-present "I need the original 35mm FOV" to realize my photographic goals. The additional stuff that the D700 brings to the table, like the viewfinder, FPS, AF, configurability, controls, etc... are mostly wasted on the dilettante. For most, a D40/D60/D5000 with a single kit lens would serve them very well and save them a lot of money and disillusionment. This is the nasty little secret of the photography business and Nikon/Canon are well served to step out of the way and allow it to perpetuate.
I hope you prove me wrong. Hope springs eternal.
cary smith
Senior Member
I basically agree with you JB.
One more thing, you forgot to mention the FF mystic. Or myth. It seems that many believe FF is the only and true format. That having FF means you are FM - Full Man.
cary
One more thing, you forgot to mention the FF mystic. Or myth. It seems that many believe FF is the only and true format. That having FF means you are FM - Full Man.
cary
Or maybe its E, none of the above. Perhaps he has used a digital camera as long as any pro has, 10 years at most, wants to get to the next level or at least grow into it with the idea that he will learn as all photographers do even those that are "pro" now. Perhaps he's thinking he does not want to be limited in the near future by his equipment and he wants the natural light ability the D700 offers better than most cameras. Or maybe he's a lusty status seeker who wants to lighten his pockets. I really see little reason to point that out.
bob elkind
Veteran Member
Joe, you poor, cynical guy! Welcome to the forum, and we're happy that your very first post here is such a pot-boiler.
2. Disagree with temp relief of B. Once a camera nerd, always a camera nerd.
3. Totally disagree on point C. If this were true we'd see lots of D700 pro wannabe types posting how disappointed they are. Don't see that, 20 months into the D700 era. We aren't 'projecting' now, are we?
4. And lusting after the latest technology is wrong or bad because... why? Expensive, yes. Wrong? no.
Good first post, Joe! Very amusing!
-- Bob Elkind
Family, mostly sports. Seriously, folks, I'm not that good. If I can do it, you can do it!
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
Good way to set the tone early...
I'm eager to hear from where your insight flows? Such strong convictions must have an abundance of insight for backing.
That's better than buying it even though you don't want it. Lust can be healthy. I lust for money which pays for toys, so I go to work. Lust after the right things, though.
All else equal I wouldn't buy stuff which painted me a loser. Nikon does show good taste!
Yeah, that's a good reason. And it works. When you start using a more demanding and discerning camera, you're motivated to crank up your skill level.
Works for me.
1. Agreed, temporary relief of A. A evolves into lens lust instead of camera lust.
2. Disagree with temp relief of B. Once a camera nerd, always a camera nerd.
3. Totally disagree on point C. If this were true we'd see lots of D700 pro wannabe types posting how disappointed they are. Don't see that, 20 months into the D700 era. We aren't 'projecting' now, are we?
4. And lusting after the latest technology is wrong or bad because... why? Expensive, yes. Wrong? no.
Hey! I resemble being called a dilettante! You forgot to mention that a D700 with battery grip will help you pick up women! And if one of those women likes you enough, then that D700 will really be expensive! Would you care to recommend a different camera, one for dilettantes, with all of those non-dilettante features (e.g. AF, configurability, FPS, etc.) omitted? If you're going to serve the dilettante market, you should design a product tailored just for them, so at least you can tell (by which camera they own) who are the dilettantes and who are not. (By the way, I had the very same thoughts, about the PT Cruiser)
Nah, we dilettantes would just find somewhere else to spend our money. Actually, pouring all of our money into D700s and lenses is a huge timesaver... no need to spends hours and hours poring through newspaper ads for things to buy with our left over money... 'cause there ain't no left over money!
There you have it, there are two types of people in the world: People who deserve to have a D700, and dilettantes. As long as you never cross from one side of the room to the other, we're OK and we know who we are.
How does one go about doing that, and why should we care?
Good first post, Joe! Very amusing!
-- Bob Elkind
Family, mostly sports. Seriously, folks, I'm not that good. If I can do it, you can do it!
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
A delicate Australian expression that translates no matter where in the world you are.
You are kidding right?
Are you two sniffing each others?
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