Camera w/ low light AND articulated screen?

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Does such a camera exist? I shoot in natural light situations, often working without a tripod. Thus, I often use floors, walls and ledges for stability.

I'm looking for a fully articulated screen and outstanding low light performance. The Panasonic Lumix looks good, but I'd love something whether better results at hiugher ISO's.
 
Does such a camera exist? I shoot in natural light situations, often working without a tripod. Thus, I often use floors, walls and ledges for stability.

I'm looking for a fully articulated screen and outstanding low light performance. The Panasonic Lumix looks good, but I'd love something whether better results at hiugher ISO's.
Panasonic G1 has the articulated lcd and also is much better at higher iso than the smaller sensor cameras donno if its good enough for you though.
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Probably best to look to DSLRs for the low light capabilities. The ones with articulating LCDs would be the Nikon D5000, the Sony A500 & A550, and the Panasonic G1/GH1.

The Nikon D5000 and Sony A500/550 are both better performers at high ISOs than the GH1, but all would be better than smaller-sensor P&S cameras.

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What a fabulous forum, with quick and knowledgeable replies. Thanks to all!

One follow-up:

In terms of articulation, I haven't found a "pro-sumer" Dslr with complete movement of the kind common in P&S (my old Sony DSC R1 has it, but I would love better low light and lens flexibility).

Anyone know of such beast?
 
What a fabulous forum, with quick and knowledgeable replies. Thanks to all!

One follow-up:

In terms of articulation, I haven't found a "pro-sumer" Dslr with complete movement of the kind common in P&S (my old Sony DSC R1 has it, but I would love better low light and lens flexibility).

Anyone know of such beast?
the Panasonic G1 and Gh1 have the articulated lcd panel. They are micro four thirds cameras and will have significantly better high iso performance than the point and shoots but not as good as the aps-c sensor cameras in general. The g camera's high iso performance seems to be on a par more or less with the entry level cameras in aps-c with which they compete.
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I think one thing that often doesn't get mentioned is how much the lack of mirror dance helps in low light situation. On the other hand, Panasonic doesn't provide image stabilization for their low light lenses so it kinda cancels it out I suppose.

If Olympus releases a camera with a swivel LCD, it'll be a great combination with the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 for quick low light shooting.
 
The large-sensor cameras with fully articulated screens that I can think of are:

Olympus E-3
Olympus E-30
Olympus E-620
Panasonic G1
Panasonic GH1
Panasonic L10
Nikon D5000

The Olympus and Panasonic models have side-articulating screens (like the G11), the Nikon screen articulates at the bottom. DPR thought this was worse than the Olympus/Panasonic setup, Popular Photography thought it was better. My view is that the side-articulation is better, but you may find otherwise for your use. IIRC, the E-3 only supports AF using the normal focussing sensor (so has to flip the mirror to focus), the other cameras all have contrast-detect auto-focus in live view (like a compact camera). The Panasonic 'G' cameras are micro four-thirds, optimised for contrast-detect auto-focus, the others are DSLRs that work a lot slower in contrast-detect mode.

Some Sony cameras have a partly-articulating screen. This only swings up and part-way down, rather than to any angle like the Olympus/Panasonic/Nikon offerings. Sony's Live View mode uses a second sensor to get fast AF in live-view mode using the standard AF sensor without needing to flip the mirror.

If focus speed is critical, then you would probably be best served by the G1. If low-light performance is critical, and you can live with the bottom-hinged screen, the D5000 is best. If you want weatherproofing, your only option is the E3.

Robert
 
If focus speed is critical, then you would probably be best served by the G1. If low-light performance is critical, and you can live with the bottom-hinged screen, the D5000 is best. If you want weatherproofing, your only option is the E3.
This is important to note. If you're going to be using live view and require focus, the G1 and GH1 are the best options.

All other DSLRs will AF very slowely when using live view (you have to use live view to use the flip screen to compose).

Well actually the Sony and Olympus e-330 have flip screens and have fast AF in live view, but they aren't fully articulated, but maybe it's enough for your use.

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I wonder why the fully articulated screen slows down the auto-focus. The only difference between hinged and full articulation is the potential size of the data pipe between screen and body.
 
I wonder why the fully articulated screen slows down the auto-focus. The only difference between hinged and full articulation is the potential size of the data pipe between screen and body.
Actually, it doesn't. Those are unrelated references above - the other poster was pointing out that the Panasonic (and actually the Sony too) operate much faster with autofocus and shutter speed in live view mode, and then happened to point out that the articulation styles of the cameras differ so if you felt you needed side-to-side articulation as well as up-and-down articulation, your choices become more limited.

The Panasonic cameras do not use a mirror - they are technically not 'dslrs', but large-sensor interchangeable lens cameras. The reason they are faster than most DSLRs in focusing and shooting in Live View mode is because they work much like a traditional P&S camera in using contrast-detect autofocus without requiring a mirror to project an image to a viewfinder and flipping it out of the way to expose the sensor. Nikon, Canon, and Pentax cameras have a live view mode that uses the main sensor exposed to provide the 'live view' on the LCD, and use contrast-detect autofocus which is slower than traditional phase-detect AF...then before shooting, they take a second delay to flip the mirror down and up...making live view on those cameras more tuned to tripod work requiring manual focus accuracy, or where focus and shutter delay are non-consequential.

The Sony live view system is quite a bit faster - nearly the same as Panasonic, but with a conventional DSLR. Sony has what they call 'quick view live view', which doesn't require exposing the main sensor to provide live view - they use a second sensor...allowing the mirror to continue operating basically as it usually does, and allowing the camera's phase-detect autofocus system to operate as normal. The result is that the camera has the same AF speed whether in optical viewfinder or live view mode, and no discernible shutter delay in shooting. The Panasonic systems may be incrementally faster since they are designed from the outset as non-mirror cameras, but the Sony DSLRs are certainly the only ones capable of normal 'P&S' style live view usage. Note: some of the newest Sony models have expanded to include both their quick live view system as well as a second main sensor live view system for those needing the manual focus accuracy.

As for articulation...that's where you would have to decide which types of articulation are most important for you. On the Panasonic GH1 the screen flips out from the back of the camera 180 degrees to the left, then can rotate around 360 degrees. The Nikon D5000 screen flips 180 degrees downward, then can rotate around 360 degrees (this can be a problem when mounting to a tripod, as the LCD will be limited in movement under the camera). The Sony LCD on their A2xx and A3xx models can flip upwards 90 degrees or downwards roughly 45 degrees, but has no side to side motion. On the A5xx models, the LCD was given additional range, where it can now flip through 180 degrees up or down, but still no side to side.

Hope all that helps!

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Justin
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Nikon D700
Jules

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Thanks for a wonderful explanation. I must 'fess up about my current camera: It's the old Sony DSC R1 which is not a true SLR and does not have interchangeable lenses, but is blessed with large sensor, an excellent lens (in quality and range) and a durable, fully articulated screen (180 degrees on the horizontal axis and 360 degrees on the vertical).

It has held me in pretty good stead (see henryten.com). So I suppose what I'm really seeking is a Sony DSC R1 with better low light capability, an interchangeable lens and higher resolution. I think you and the others on this forum have pointed my in the right direction!
 
I knew it was great in low light, but I don't know what an articulated screen is. I obviously don't need one. Do mean it has a hinge on it? Hmmn, could be useful occasionally, had an Olympus 5050 with one of those, nice gimmick I guess.
jules

jules
Nikon D700
Great for low-light work, but no articulated screen.

Robert
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When you lose a number of things, why is it always the last one that is most difficult to find?
 
I knew it was great in low light, but I don't know what an articulated screen is. I obviously don't need one. Do mean it has a hinge on it? Hmmn, could be useful occasionally, had an Olympus 5050 with one of those, nice gimmick I guess.
Looking straight into the LCD when you're squatting or shooting over a fence, or not trying to make people self-conscious with a lens with an eye behind it, are not "gimmicks".

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John

 
I try not to shoot squatting or over fences, couold be dangerous. Ansel Adams, Cecil Beaton, Gered Mankowitz and David Bailey managed without articulation, so will I.
jules
I knew it was great in low light, but I don't know what an articulated screen is. I obviously don't need one. Do mean it has a hinge on it? Hmmn, could be useful occasionally, had an Olympus 5050 with one of those, nice gimmick I guess.
Looking straight into the LCD when you're squatting or shooting over a fence, or not trying to make people self-conscious with a lens with an eye behind it, are not "gimmicks".

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John

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When you lose a number of things, why is it always the last one that is most difficult to find?
 

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