I am no longer a pro with a m4/3rds camera

Originally I thought make a mock up ... they used make such things even for cameras, and mobile phones. They looked real, but they were light and fake.
That is right. In Japan all of the mobile phones (outside of the occasional model for hands-on trial) in the display racks at the electronic stores are very realistic mock-ups. Often times I wonder how much they would go for (probably a number over on yahoo.jp auctions, and there is a large market for mock-up food pieces for restaurant displays here as well). A camera version would be perfect.
Now if you bought an old plastic Canon, you get remove all the junk from inside - it would be very light, because some of those cases were quite flimsy!
Indeed. You could just pop out most of the innards, the prism, mirror, and battery probably take up most of the weight.
I bet somewhere there are fake lenses too that would be very light!
Just get a "junk" lens, heck the plastic 18-55 kit is light to begin with (or a 50/1.8 with a broken focus motor, happens a lot!), and remove all the elements besides the front.

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Ha Ha... I once did a timelapse job for the beeb - all the client setup was done with 450Ds and D200s dripping off the kneck.... well when it came to the shoot I used my Olympus 770UZ (as I have custom made a huge 24hr battery pack for it) and have hacked in an intervolometer into it (infact its a 12hr stereo timeplase rig or a 24hr mono)...

Anyway suffice to say the final HD video came from JPGs from the little 4mega pix 770UZ! And was used in the final production - with out queery! - what they don't know....

It is about results not kit! - although for a UZ the 770 gives very sharp results from its 4mega pix sensor - ok does get a bit ruff in the dark but in good light it produces pixel for pixel results as sharp as my e-p1 (and better - pixel for pixel, than a 450D with the very poor kit 18-55), just the final images are half the height and width of the E-P1 or 450D. and anyway HD is 1920x1080 so who needs 12Mpix source! Pahh - for those that think money buys eveything...

And yes the number of people you see out with SLR kit for the sake of having it - Its rediculus just goto any public event and you cant move for SLRs beeing waved about.

Infact ultra zooms are getting so good that i only pine for more speed in the lenses not more reach or sharpness - oh and big sensor ISO performance! - I will never miss viewfinders.... hate them, evon the 5DmkII is hard work compaired to a big screen.

JRRS
 
Any job is about results, not appearances. Some of the best photography in the world has been on small, simple cameras.
Not at all, e.g. you wouldnt expect a CEO of a major corp. to show up in track pants, sandals, and a stained undershirt to a board meeting. Like it or not, appearance matters in this world.
Why not it works for Richard Branston!
 
I'm touched by your post. I also E-P1 shooter coming from Canon 40d. Was thinking of going back to dSLR because I face same problem as you. But now I will stick to my gun.
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It is the same in many businesses, mind you.

The fact that I can do almost as good a job with a web-pad as I can with my big heavy Lenovo laptop (I am a systems architect and developer consultant) does not matter to customers when I am in their offices... They want their expensive consultant to show up with a big matte black laptop, connect it to the huge flat-screen in the conference room and show the diagrams of the system I am designing for them, never mind that a presentation could probably run off my phone (if it had hdmi output) and definitely could run just as well on a webpad (which does have hdmi)... Even most of the programming can be done just as well on a web-pad though compile times would turn from seconds to perhaps a minute...

You don't see a taxi driver (or many) in Fiat Multipla or Citroën Berlingos either, not because they are not good cars or good for carrying around people, but because people expect a Mercedes (at least here their do....)

Strange but true (and perhaps a little sad) presence dictate who you are...

The opposite is also quite true however... Even I could wear a big Nikon and go almost anywhere pretending to be a press photographer or somewhat...
 
How about this for an analogy? Say you're a great executive with tons of experience who decided he's fed up with wearing business suits. It's really not about the suit, but the person behind the clothes.

Say you've been wanting to get out of the corporate world, so one day you decide to sell all your business suits. One day your friend calls you saying that he has a meeting with a investors for a startup company that you are partly involved with. You show up with a polo shirt and jeans. Your friend stops you at the door and says you cannot attend because it'll make the company look bad. Can you blame him? Is he better off taking a stoner friend who works at Men's Fasion Depot into the meeting with him? No.

What do they want? Both. The man with a professional appearance and the professional skills.

Just ask yourself, if it was your wedding, and the photographer showed up with a GF1 or a EP-1, knowing everything you know about these cameras, would you be disappointed?

A) I know there are better equipement out there that every other wedding photographer would likely have.

B) I could see too many of conversations from my inlaws about how I was too cheap to hire a photographer. And how he is a real photographer, and even though his camera doesn't appear to be a SLR, it is about the same. And then there would be some difficult inlaws not taking the shots too seriously and me having to convince them otherwise, as if they would be standing in front of someoen with heavier gear.
 
It is the same in many businesses, mind you.

The fact that I can do almost as good a job with a web-pad as I can with my big heavy Lenovo laptop (I am a systems architect and developer consultant) does not matter to customers when I am in their offices... They want their expensive consultant to show up with a big matte black laptop, connect it to the huge flat-screen in the conference room and show the diagrams of the system I am designing for them, never mind that a presentation could probably run off my phone (if it had hdmi output) and definitely could run just as well on a webpad (which does have hdmi)... Even most of the programming can be done just as well on a web-pad though compile times would turn from seconds to perhaps a minute...

You don't see a taxi driver (or many) in Fiat Multipla or Citroën Berlingos either, not because they are not good cars or good for carrying around people, but because people expect a Mercedes (at least here their do....)

Strange but true (and perhaps a little sad) presence dictate who you are...

The opposite is also quite true however... Even I could wear a big Nikon and go almost anywhere pretending to be a press photographer or somewhat...
I don't know where your from but Fiat Multipla's are often used as Taxi's and not many Merc's.....Im based in UK BTW
 
Expectations - They're always with us. Up to the one who's driving the change to educate the people and hopefully modify their expectations.

Equipment - There's always the "Ansel Adams used this and this and was able to produce..." or "painters don't obsessively discuss the merits of the brushes or pigments they use", etc. kind of comments. But the equipment you bring matters. Chefs always sharpen their knives, musicians go for the best instruments, etc.

Talent vs Equipment - An interesting question was raised, would you have your own wedding be photographed exclusively by an m43 camera? I think, it depends. If my photographer would be some top named photographer, it would be ok. Someone tried to shoot a wedding with an LX3 only, the couple agreed but I think they're friends of the photographer and they understood the vision. Turned out ok. But otherwise, I would prefer my photographer to have the "best" equipment. I guess my take on this is, the equipment you bring should maximize the talent you possess.

Right now, my thoughts on m43 would be:

It's kind of selfish, but somehow, I think It's best if people don't understand how good m43 cameras are. I kind of like it to be the only one in the room with a light, white GF1 while all the rest have their professional looking nikon and canon SLRs. I somehow dread the day when everyone carries around an m43. But obviously, for the m43 concept to survive - lots of people have to join in.

Oh well, interesting discussion, off to read my GF1 manual.
 
How many children you have is of no interest to you Europeans, as you excellent people use your superior understanding of sex to commit demographic suicide.

Before the last of you disappears, please leave a video of an old man in an oxygen tent reminding us of your superior understanding of human reproduction.
It is very chocking for me to read ! With MFT we are talking about a sensor being half the size of fullframe, just like old halfformat film cameras. But nowadays with digital sensors the number of pixels seems to be rather unimportant. What is more important is noise. So a MFT camera is stronger, IMO, than a halfformat filmcamera and cannot be compared.

Is America a strange society ? Honestly I am european. These days we over here wonder what is happening to Tiger Wood, per example. We concentrate on his golfing only, and how many women he deals with is of no interest to us, actually it could be nice to him ! Not to mention the Clinton - Lewinsky affair.
Come to Europe my friend !
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I guess you can afford to show up with a GF1 or E-P1 (or any "unprofessional looking" camera) if you are known for what you do.

BUT if you're not a famous/known photographer, who do you think would appear as a better choice: a guy showing up with an E-P1 or a guy with a DSLR + a couple of prime lenses?
 
I take candids for the parish website with both a G1 and a 1dsIII.

The little kids are delighted to be photographed by either, and sometimes borrow the big one to try to take pictures themselves.

Maybe I'm just not scary enough to let the camera do its intimidating. :|
Perception is a funny thing when it comes to camera size. I guess painters are only professional when they have big brushes or a big canvas.

I do family and child portraits and one of the biggest hurdles is getting people over the fear of that SLR or large format camera looking at them. Smaller cameras are so much easier at capture someones true personality, especially children.

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Never, force the shot.
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Nah, in my humble experience, people today are judged by how loud and noisy their proclamations of tolerance have become. Just look at the latest movies --Avatar, Princess and the Frog, Invictus --people are lining up to lecture each other on tolerance. Even Bush did that after 9/11, after all.

I have very few openly intolerant friends of any persuasion. I treasure their lingering humanity. ;)
What I do find rather disconcerting is the fact people judge your talent and capabilities by the body in hand.
Isnt this the basis of society.. for the past 10,000 years? Even today, ppl are judged by the colour of their skin or their accent, ppl buy SUVs or McMansions to show (real or fake) wealth, why people are expected to wear suits to work (despite not affecting their ability), etc.. this is just an extension of that phenomana and how humans are conditioned since birth.
These days everyone has an SLR and everyone claims to be a pro. The other night I went to a Christmas Parade and saw kids with SLRs, grandmothers with SLRs, everyone all shapes, sizes, and ages with little black bodies and kits lenses dangling from their necks. Me I was humble with my silver EP-1 in hand and I paused to look around and smiled - I was no longer 'one' of these people - i am the person you never see coming, the person who loves photography beyond normal measures, yet doesn't need a $5000 SLR to prove so. I am just your humble, unprofessional, m4/3rds owner....
Looks like the new Olymypus "Camera Caio" ads fit you perfectly.

Also, i dont think ppl want to be professionals by any means. They want better performance and image quality than their cell phones and compacts. The ads that target non-pros are like this; they show how your shooting can be improved, etc. They never show the professional side of SLRs... that is taken care of with sporting events, weddings, photo journalists, etc.
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One of the best street photographers I know is also a painting conservator who works for major museums. He shoots in BW. He is impatient with people who obsess about anything but content in street photography.

But professionally he has one of the best pigment collections in the world. I once asked him about the pigment claims of expensive house paint. He replied with an encyclopedia entry. I was very grateful for his insight.

We live in a technical world. He have to make the most of both technical knowledge and intution, and give both the respect they deserve.

If you ask him about pigm
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I respect anyone who questions whether he is shooting with the right gear. He is a seeker.

I respect anyone who relishes his gear. For he is thankful and grateful.

I respect anyone who puts his gear out of mind and focuses on his craft or his client's needs. For he is an artist and/or a professional.

I worry about anyone who, like the Samurai of old, thinks that his gear is his soul. At least the sword was created using age old rituals by dedicated craftsmen. It was likely to live as long as its master and reliably gave him a place in society. With that sword he could legally kill any commoner that displeased him. Time and modernity (and losing a world war) taught the limitations of that approach, but it served for centuries.

A camera today is an assembly of off-the-shelf components that will generally be obsolete before its owner. Anyone with enough money can buy any camera he wants, and most people can easily afford respectable gear. As far as status, even Cartier-Bresson thought that painting was superior, as indeed it is.

Appearances easily deceive. When my wife was a young art historian, she was very diligent, and would linger in front of paintings in museums. Much to her annoyance, young lads routinely assumed she was trying to be picked up. They had the odds in their favor. Most pretty young things that linger in front of paintings are not seeking scholarly knowledge.
I don't know how to explain it, but with an SLR I honestly spent more time thinking/worrying/etc about my gear and less time using it.....
Why would you worry any more or any less about m4/3 gear than DSLR gear? One can build a pretty complex multi-lens m4/3 kit after all. Not to mention the m4/3 forum has plenty of gearhead discussions that cover the pros and cons of various camera bodies, lenses, accessories, post-processing techniques, etc. While it may be true that a high-end DSLR has more features, switches, and dials; I would say the current m4/3 cameras are more complex and feature rich than entry level DSLRs like the Nikon D3000.
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How about this for an analogy? Say you're a great executive with tons of experience who decided he's fed up with wearing business suits. It's really not about the suit, but the person behind the clothes.

Say you've been wanting to get out of the corporate world, so one day you decide to sell all your business suits. One day your friend calls you saying that he has a meeting with a investors for a startup company that you are partly involved with. You show up with a polo shirt and jeans. Your friend stops you at the door and says you cannot attend because it'll make the company look bad. Can you blame him? Is he better off taking a stoner friend who works at Men's Fasion Depot into the meeting with him? No.

What do they want? Both. The man with a professional appearance and the professional skills.
If businesspeople were that appearance-conscious, Steve Jobs wouldn't be able to buy his way into a meeting. The reality, of course, is that plenty of people can only dream of getting a few minutes with Jobs.

At the end of the day, results are what count. It's not just any executive who can get away with faded jeans and black turtlenecks, but once you've proven yourself you earn some leeway to go casual.

Right now, the m4/3 problem is not yet having proven itself to enough people. Sadly, it'll probably take a similar type of product from Nikon or Canon to really change things.
Just ask yourself, if it was your wedding, and the photographer showed up with a GF1 or a EP-1, knowing everything you know about these cameras, would you be disappointed?
Not if I knew the photographer to be capable. But that's what comes with being an enthusiast -- you will take the great photog with unconventional gear over the weekend warrior with the latest and greatest. It's true that the average person won't necessarily have the same response.

Personally, I'd like to attend more weddings where the photographer was a little bit less of a walking photo studio, but maybe that's just me.
A) I know there are better equipement out there that every other wedding photographer would likely have.
There's almost always better equipment. What? You only brought a D300? Why not a D700? Or a D3x? Why not an S2? etc. etc.
B) I could see too many of conversations from my inlaws about how I was too cheap to hire a photographer. And how he is a real photographer, and even though his camera doesn't appear to be a SLR, it is about the same. And then there would be some difficult inlaws not taking the shots too seriously and me having to convince them otherwise, as if they would be standing in front of someoen with heavier gear.
Interesting point about some people not taking the shots seriously because of the camera. Not sure about it, though. I find at weddings (always attended as a guest), almost everyone seems ready to strike a pose at the mere sight of a camera, any camera.

Which is not to say that the amateurs take equal or better photos than the pro, just that wedding guests tend to respond to a camera a little differently than they do in everyday situations.

One of the things that sets a pro apart from the rest of us is being skilled in interacting with (i.e. directing) subjects. As long as the photographer is capable in that area, I suspect most people wouldn't even notice that the camera wasn't a big black SLR.
 
in Denmark...

It is so much so with the mercs here that it is a standing joke that if you buy a merc, people on the street will hail you until you are to close they can see there are no taxi sign.
 
While I completely agree with every word you wrote in your post, this is quite common.

For example, a manager will have to dress smart and maybe use clothes with a famous brand, and he will have to get an expensive car to show his customers that he and his company are successful. There are exceptions, of course, but this is usually the rule. I'm not saying that I agree with this (in fact, I don't), but that's the way it is.

For a professional, gear and appearence do matter. Of course you can always make a portfolio with the EP-1 and, if somebody complains that you don't seem to have professional gear, explain why you are using the EP-1 and show them your portfolio.

But I also have to say that if you're a professional, gear matters.

Because if you're a professional you must be able to shoot in the most difficult conditions, that's when fast lenses, fast SLR bodies, weather sealing and so on get involved. And while the EP-1 might be the perfect camera for the hobbyist, it might miss some features that are required for pro work, regardless of the artistic quality of your pictures.

And if I were a couple that pays a lot of money for their wedding pictures, I would be really upset if somebody would show me a bunch of grainy pictures saying that they make an artistic B/W...

So, you see... I agree with you for the artistic part of your post, but if you're a professional and get paid I think that your equipment must be adequate.
 
I have been shooting for a long time with SLRs. I, like some other people on this forum, decided to dump my SLRs and move to the micro four-thirds format. It's not a more for everyone mind you, but to me it was the most 'liberating' change I have made in a long time. I don't know how to explain it, but with an SLR I honestly spent more time thinking/worrying/etc about my gear and less time using it.....

Over the last few years I did some 'pro' work here and there. I don't consider myself a pro, in fact I kinda hate the term. I like to consider myself a hobbyist and artist, or one who just has a passion for capturing light (or moments in time).

I have received quite a bit of flack from my fellow photog friends who don't quite understand why I would sell a nice SLR body for a camera like my EP-1, but then again I believe like many others they have become more about the gear and less about the hobby these days. When I talk with them, it's all about having the fastest lens, the most expensive lens, etc - to me those things don't matter, I could be a happy shooter with even a point-n-shoot because it's all about taking pictures, bottom line. Other people look at an image full of noise and see a problem (everyone is nuts about high ISO these days), I look at at an image full of noise and think this would be a beautiful b&w, in other words I never fault the camera for taking a bad picture, I fault myself for not being creative enough to make the most out of a situation and as such the gear doesn't really matter to me....
Ditto, esp about the noise and b&w part. I love the grains produced by my trusted RD1s.
What took me by surprise is when I arrived at a clients club over the weekend for a holiday party. I have done paid work there many at times. My client asked if I could take some casual shots of the party for his website and thus I pulled out the EP-1. I was turned down to take the pictures, my client said the camera did not look 'professional' and as the club has a 'no camera policy', people will think I am walking around with a p&s thus giving people the impression that they too can take pictures. He said with a big Nikon around my neck, I will be respected as a professional.
And so let it be. Today a friend of mine asked me if she should get a S90 or a GF1. I told her these are completely different cameras but gave her my short five minute analysis. What I had in mind though, is that if she had to ask that question, she didn't need a GF1. Period. So this is kinda the same story here. If that's how he thinks, it's not worth your efforts because he may not appreciate the difference anyways.
Yesterday afternoon, my friend turned me down as a backup for a wedding. He said and I quote "people won't think you are a professional with that camera in hand, it will make my business look bad".
It's OK. The days of his "business" are numbered.
I am not bothered by either situation, and I understand people's concerns. These days I am trying to exit the paid business and just enjoy the hobby. What I do find rather disconcerting is the fact people judge your talent and capabilities by the body in hand. I have a friend who has little to no interest in photography and when he does take a picture it's typically out-of-focus or composed poorly. He just purchased a D3s (just because he had the money to do so) - so who do you want shooting as a backup at your wedding ? My friend with the D3s who doesn't care a thing about taking pictures or someone passionate about photography who has been shooting a long time albeit using the unprofessional m4/3rds format ?

These days everyone has an SLR and everyone claims to be a pro. The other night I went to a Christmas Parade and saw kids with SLRs, grandmothers with SLRs, everyone all shapes, sizes, and ages with little black bodies and kits lenses dangling from their necks. Me I was humble with my silver EP-1 in hand and I paused to look around and smiled - I was no longer 'one' of these people - i am the person you never see coming, the person who loves photography beyond normal measures, yet doesn't need a $5000 SLR to prove so. I am just your humble, unprofessional, m4/3rds owner....
SO TRUE. I so enjoy carrying around my DRF with tiny lenses and just be viewed as a tourist. It's also interesting see how those DSLR "professional" shooters actually shoot...their posture, the way they hold their cameras and lenses and just simply the awkwardness with which they use their cameras in general. I always say nowadays anyone should be able to take technically great pictures with just a little time spent using their DSLRs but very few people actually spend the time necessary to take good pictures. It is almost as if everything has become too easy that it defeats the very purpose of photography. I know many people view their cameras/lenses as "tools" to making great pictures, but for me, I actually enjoy holding and using my cameras/lenses, and sometimes even enjoy just looking at them for what they are (yes I take pictures of my cameras/lenses combos). To me, they are not just "tools" but rather objects of affection.

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While I completely agree with every word you wrote in your post, this is quite common.

For example, a manager will have to dress smart and maybe use clothes with a famous brand, and he will have to get an expensive car to show his customers that he and his company are successful. There are exceptions, of course, but this is usually the rule. I'm not saying that I agree with this (in fact, I don't), but that's the way it is.

For a professional, gear and appearence do matter. Of course you can always make a portfolio with the EP-1 and, if somebody complains that you don't seem to have professional gear, explain why you are using the EP-1 and show them your portfolio.

But I also have to say that if you're a professional, gear matters.

Because if you're a professional you must be able to shoot in the most difficult conditions, that's when fast lenses, fast SLR bodies, weather sealing and so on get involved. And while the EP-1 might be the perfect camera for the hobbyist, it might miss some features that are required for pro work, regardless of the artistic quality of your pictures.
I can understand your point about speed if one is to be involved in work of fast moving objects ie sports but i do not get how an EP1 will not make a good camera for most other "professional" work in the hands of a good photographer. Many professionals use DRFs for paid work so I don't see how the EP1, with the ability to use both AF lenses (basically ANY mount with the wide array of adaptors out there) and MF lenses (M mount and others, again, with the appropriate adaptors), is not a suitable "professional" tool. But this is precisely what the OP was referring to - it is the misconception by the less informed that a camera such as the EP1 is not a serious enough photographic tool capable of producing "professional" quality pictures.
And if I were a couple that pays a lot of money for their wedding pictures, I would be really upset if somebody would show me a bunch of grainy pictures saying that they make an artistic B/W...
Again, grains is not necessarily bad and "smooth" pictures are not necessarily good...that is too simple a measure of a particular picture's image quality.
So, you see... I agree with you for the artistic part of your post, but if you're a professional and get paid I think that your equipment must be adequate.
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I wonder what they would say.
Most people don't recognize Leica. I hate to say it, but it's one of those brands/designs that is understood more or less by camera geeks and aficionados than the general public.
yes but then we're talking about market segmentation then. if you are a "leica shooter" and want to belong to the "leica" market (if there is such a thing in the paid photography market) then you have every reason to distance yourself from those who do not recognize the value of your work. my point is one has to choose the right audience/clientele that is the right match for the type of work he produces.

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