I am no longer a pro with a m4/3rds camera

What took me by surprise is when I arrived at a clients club over the weekend for a holiday party. I have done paid work there many at times. My client asked if I could take some casual shots of the party for his website and thus I pulled out the EP-1. I was turned down to take the pictures, my client said the camera did not look 'professional' and as the club has a 'no camera policy', people will think I am walking around with a p&s thus giving people the impression that they too can take pictures. He said with a big Nikon around my neck, I will be respected as a professional.
I find this particular anecdote especially ironic because a camera such as the E-P1 or GF1 would probably be great for casual but high-quality party snaps. (Without wanting to spark a holy war, I'd opt for the GF1 due to built-in flash.)

IMHO, if you change your mind and decide you want to keep doing a little bit of paid work you should stick to your guns and sell the clients on the seriousness of your unobtrusive, unserious-looking camera -- and the virtues, in some circumstances, of using unobtrusive, unserious-looking gear.

I'd show this particular club owner a small portfolio of relevant photos. If he's worried about his policy, offer to wear a name-tag with STAFF on it, or some similar solution.
 
iamatrix,

Sadly it is a common experience, wedding shooters often buy camera gear and strobe systems to justify their charges.

20 years ago I was shooting roughly 40 weddings each year, using two Nikon F4 cameras, it helped stand out from the crowd, however towards the end of the nineties I switched to rangefinders, surprisingly it was a easy sell once I learned to stop telling people about how many lenses I would bring and instead focus on the images. a few years ago I shot a series of weddings with two Canon Pro1 cameras to see how weddings and EVF would work, it was fine, the build-in zoom and live display showed me exactly what I was getting.

The important part, behave as a photographer, take charge and start creating images.

Still it is sad that your friends don't see to get it, and that they can't see past the camera and know you are "the" photographer. hopefully that will slowly change since we now live in a world where everybody and their brother is dragging full-frame DSLR's to the park for a BBQ. after all, I don't think joe-blow with a DSLR takes much better images than he did with a disposable 20 years ago.

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What took me by surprise is when I arrived at a clients club over the weekend for a holiday party. I have done paid work there many at times. My client asked if I could take some casual shots of the party for his website and thus I pulled out the EP-1. I was turned down to take the pictures, my client said the camera did not look 'professional' and as the club has a 'no camera policy', people will think I am walking around with a p&s thus giving people the impression that they too can take pictures. He said with a big Nikon around my neck, I will be respected as a professional.
I find this particular anecdote especially ironic because a camera such as the E-P1 or GF1 would probably be great for casual but high-quality party snaps. (Without wanting to spark a holy war, I'd opt for the GF1 due to built-in flash.)
Yes, you definitely need a flash in a club !
IMHO, if you change your mind and decide you want to keep doing a little bit of paid work you should stick to your guns and sell the clients on the seriousness of your unobtrusive, unserious-looking camera -- and the virtues, in some circumstances, of using unobtrusive, unserious-looking gear.
Very true, but to be honest I am no longer going to do paid work, I'll leave that to people who make a living doing this type of work. I was only doing it on the side for a little extra moola and to be perfectly honest, I took all the fun out of photography (it's a very robotic process at times).
I'd show this particular club owner a small portfolio of relevant photos. If he's worried about his policy, offer to wear a name-tag with STAFF on it, or some similar solution.
 
Actually for a lot of start ups, yes I would. For firms that have been floundering and asking the government for billions of dollars in aid, no I would not. The latter will stick to appearances where as the former will be all about getting it done.

Appearances matter at the right time and place.

In years gone by the "pro" camera mattered a lot more than it does today so the influence of expectation will change in time.

I'm not saying that m43 should be the professional norm, but in the right hands (as with any tool) it return professional results.

On the other hand, give an idiot a Nikon D3X and ask them to shoot a wedding and see what happens. I've seen this time and again. Someone gets the fever to make some money on photography, makes a huge investment in big gear but still doesn't know the difference between f/1.4 and f4.0.

I manage a technical department and passed on hiring an MBA in favor of someone with a lessor education. Why? Results!

I'm not saying that the OP's friend is one of those people who buys gear and has zero knowledge, but I do question the judgment of valuing results for a client instead of whether an assisting shooter's gear "looks pro".
Any job is about results, not appearances. Some of the best photography in the world has been on small, simple cameras.
Not at all, e.g. you wouldnt expect a CEO of a major corp. to show up in track pants, sandals, and a stained undershirt to a board meeting. Like it or not, appearance matters in this world.
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It's all about the tool you NEED to do the job. Yes, I have D3 bodies for my pro sports work because I need the functions of a D3 or 1D Mark III/IV for frame rate, image size, noise, etc.

But outside of that, it's been about the m4/3 for me. I think you've captured the issue with the spread of DSLR's into the enthusiast/consumer market. On the whole, I think it's a fantastic thing, but on the flipside, people assume anything but a traditional looking DSLR isn't capable. Oh how wrong they are. Also remember, that most of these gearheads have never shot anything but digital, so they don't remember what some of our older cameras looked and felt like. :-)

Enjoy your E-P1, and smile with the fact that you'll probably capture more natural moments than your buddy who is trying to do the same with his D3 shoved in someone's face. ;-)

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When people hire a 'pro', they aren't just buying photos, they're buying image. Wow, this guy/gal is really going to town, they hired a pro with all that serious gear.

The opposite works quite well - with the little EP1, no one notices me. When I'm out with the rather large E3, everyone notices. I suppose that's good if you're selling image as well as photos. When you just want to fire a few shots, it's annoying, and when you're after candids or street shots, it's a serious impediment.

I rather enjoy the low profile, and the lower bulk.
 
Consumers have certain expectations. I suspect this will change over time. What if you took an Oly DSLR + zoom + flash and the EP1? I know it defeats the small size factor, but for paid gigs it might be worth the trouble. Then say to the guy who writes the check that sometimes people are shy when you use a big camera or . Then go about your business. Pretend to shoot with the Oly, or shoot with it. Whatever. Show them how awesome the EP1 results are. Change people's assumptions. Get paid. Everyone wins!

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Wow, what a great OP - thanks! Well said. I have an E-3 and E-1. In the past, when I did shoot a lot of weddings and college football from the sidelines, I shot with higher end Canon gear. Now? Well, let's say my E-3 is getting little use and my E-1 is on the collectors shelf on display with some old rangefinders and view cameras.

I haven't made the switch to the m4/3 format yet, but have found similar joy with my Canon G11. It's all about getting back to basics and what photography is all about. Right now, about the only time I pull out the E-3 is if I need the 5fps, fast long glass or weather seals. That's it. This year, I shot our family Christmas portrait with the G11 and not a DSLR...my wife gave me strange looks until she saw the results.

Here is a similar post I have on my blog: http://kwaphoto.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/its-not-the-camera-its-you/ In that post I stated:
The photographer creates the image by capturing the moment with a chosen tool (photography gear). The camera cannot do anything on its own. Give a good photographer a mediocre camera and he’ll create a great image. Give a sub-par picture taker a professional level DSLR and high end glass and they’ll end up with uninspired run of the mill snap shots…no better or worse than their 5 year old point and shoot model. Know thy tools and skills.
Why is this? For the same reason you could place the world’s finest violin in my hands and it would still sound just as bad as if I were on a cheap beginner’s model. The violin makes no difference. So why is it different with cameras? Simply because they have become so automated that a novice can create nice images without much effort or forethought as to the creation of the image. But that’s as far as technology can take it. It cannot replace the artistic vision of a photographer anymore than it can replace the artistry of a professional musician.
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well said ,if we go back to the thirties and forties and even later to the time of great photographers like Cartier bresson,Gordon Parks and others great as well ,and compare theirs cameras with nowadays hightech SLR , we will see that its not how big your SLR and gears look like but how big your fantasy and criativity is....go a head you deserve iamatrix have a great time to all you out there.
 
I had much the same reaction when I used 2 Leica systems years ago. M3 (horrors! silver body and normal lens!) and M4P (all black with a winder.)

Of course I didn't dare shoot weddings without my F3+motor drive. Except I would have been much more professional with a Hassy...

Perception, not truth.

DaveL
 
I am with Trafford.

Hal
 
1) No one comes up to you and asks you if you are a pro photographer

2) No one bothers you about what camera you have have (sorry I am friendly I just hate that never ending rather stale conversation about what you own, where you bought it, etc, etc)

3) Police, Guards, etc don't give you the evil eye as if you are some terrorist

4) Parents with children don't give you the evil eye as if you are some sort of pedophile.

5) People don't duck (long lens joke) when you take their picture.

6) Candids don't require hiding behind a bush.
 
Why not buy this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/CANON-30D-DIGITAL-DSLR-CAMERA-BODY-PARTS-AS-IS-1_W0QQitemZ300378374017QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDigital_Camera_Accessories?hash=item45eff23f81#ht_3808wt_1167

Its a Canon 30D body ... will be bought for parts. Then buy an old lens, and a strap, and you can carry that around. And take photos with your "back-up".

I saw a dead E-3 a while ago, but its gone. That was cheap.

Working Olympus E-1s seem to still go for a few hundred (but I wouldn't sell mine 'cause its weatherproof and I like the pictures too). But you could buy an adapter, and use it to keep a spare lens for your m43. Just hang the big camera on you for "Pro credibility".
 
I don't know how to explain it, but with an SLR I honestly spent more time thinking/worrying/etc about my gear and less time using it.....
Why would you worry any more or any less about m4/3 gear than DSLR gear? One can build a pretty complex multi-lens m4/3 kit after all. Not to mention the m4/3 forum has plenty of gearhead discussions that cover the pros and cons of various camera bodies, lenses, accessories, post-processing techniques, etc. While it may be true that a high-end DSLR has more features, switches, and dials; I would say the current m4/3 cameras are more complex and feature rich than entry level DSLRs like the Nikon D3000.

Portability and video (or at least better video) seem to be the best reasons to switch from a DSLR to m4/3, but if you're a gearhead about your DSLR you will probably be a gearhead about your m4/3 gear too.
I have received quite a bit of flack from my fellow photog friends who don't quite understand why I would sell a nice SLR body for a camera like my EP-1, but then again I believe like many others they have become more about the gear and less about the hobby these days. When I talk with them, it's all about having the fastest lens, the most expensive lens, etc - to me those things don't matter, I could be a happy shooter with even a point-n-shoot because it's all about taking pictures, bottom line.
Then why not just get a compact P&S? I have a feeling it is because you are a true photographer and you do care about the gear and what it is capable of... at least just a little bit. Personally I think most photographers should embrace the fact that it's a little bit about the gear. True that a good photographer can take a good picture with any camera... even a pinhole camera made from an old shoebox. But if the kind of photography you like to engage in requires other gear you will be all about acquiring the gear that best meets your needs and desires. Of course a lot of photographers who own DSLRs don't need them, but some do. And if you are a DSLR shooter who likes to photograph a wide variety of subjects, you probably have more lenses than most. If you're a photographer who focuses on more specific subjects matter, you might have a much smaller kit.

As photographers we all have a variety of needs including budget, the gear that best helps us get the shots we want, a desire to carry as little as possible, and perhaps a desire to simplify whenever possible. Over the years those needs might change and you might find, as you have, that a new type of camera fits your needs better. That doesn't mean the gear you sell isn't needed by other photographers. It just isn't needed by you anymore. Likewise it doesn't matter what other photographers think you need... only what you think you need.
What took me by surprise is when I arrived at a clients club over the weekend for a holiday party. I have done paid work there many at times. My client asked if I could take some casual shots of the party for his website and thus I pulled out the EP-1. I was turned down to take the pictures, my client said the camera did not look 'professional' and as the club has a 'no camera policy', people will think I am walking around with a p&s thus giving people the impression that they too can take pictures. He said with a big Nikon around my neck, I will be respected as a professional.
Unfortunately this happens from time to time. Even among DSLRs I've read about clients questioning whether their wedding photographer can do a good job with just a consumer-grade DSLR. The Pro Digital Talk forum is full of stories about clients questioning their choice of gear with statements like, "I love your work, but do you mind if I ask why you shoot with Nikon instead of Canon? I thought Canons were supposed to be better for this type of photography..."

Of course if a client hires a photographer because of their existing body of work, you would think they wouldn't be micromanaging the photographer's choice of gear or methods... but it happens. And yes... a full frame DSLR is going to get the cleanest available light shots at high ISO, but if you like a certain photographer's style because it is gritty and grainy then don't be surprised if they use a camera that is noisier at high ISO. Sometimes all you can do is try to educate your client. If they don't understand then perhaps it is best to find another client who doesn't have ridiculous demands.
These days everyone has an SLR and everyone claims to be a pro. The other night I went to a Christmas Parade and saw kids with SLRs, grandmothers with SLRs, everyone all shapes, sizes, and ages with little black bodies and kits lenses dangling from their necks.
Well there is one upside to the marketing success of DSLR manufacturers: Before everybody and their grandmother had a DSLR people often assumed that excellent photographers take such excellent photographs because of their very, very, very excellent cameras. Now that so many people have DSLRs they realize there is a bit more to it than just the gear. So perhaps the upside is that once again photographers will be judged on their photographs and not on their choice of camera gear.

As for me... I'm getting a GF1 to carry as my everyday camera because I do want a quality everyday camera. And yes I can get good results with a compact P&S, but I just get tired of the limitations of some cameras getting in the way of the process. It's less frustrating and more conducive to creativity for me to have a nice camera to work with. So yes... it is a little about the gear. I will also continue to use my DSLR gear for times when the features and lenses I have for my DSLR are better suited for the shots I plan to take that day. For me there is no reason a photographer can't use more than one format. It's just gear. Buy what you need and use it when you need it. If you no longer need it, sell it.

Sean
 
That is a brilliant idea! It would be kind of funny to carry around a dead DSLR. You might have to pretend to use it every now and then, so best to get one that can at least make a sound when you press the shutter button.

It could also be useful as a decoy when shooting in dangerous locations. If you get mugged maybe the thief will just take the dead DSLR and won't even notice the smaller camera. And if they do try to take your m4/3 camera you can swing the DSLR from its strap and knock them upside the head!

Of course if the point of getting a m4/3 camera for you is so you don't have to carry a DSLR, then I guess this strategy has a flaw ;-)
 
That is a brilliant idea! It would be kind of funny to carry around a dead DSLR. You might have to pretend to use it every now and then, so best to get one that can at least make a sound when you press the shutter button.

It could also be useful as a decoy when shooting in dangerous locations. If you get mugged maybe the thief will just take the dead DSLR and won't even notice the smaller camera. And if they do try to take your m4/3 camera you can swing the DSLR from its strap and knock them upside the head!

Of course if the point of getting a m4/3 camera for you is so you don't have to carry a DSLR, then I guess this strategy has a flaw ;-)
Originally I thought make a mock up ... they used make such things even for cameras, and mobile phones. They looked real, but they were light and fake.

Now if you bought an old plastic Canon, you get remove all the junk from inside - it would be very light, because some of those cases were quite flimsy! I bet somewhere there are fake lenses too that would be very light! But I imagine the customer wants to see you struggling with something really heavy. After-all the harder you have to work, the more professional you must become ...
 
Hi all,

first, apologies if this is off the mark.....I went to a restaurant with some other photographers, the chef saw some of our pics, said they were great, and asked what cameras we had. One of the party said "that was a lovely meal, what knives have you got?"
 
since you were able to take the two situations in the proper frame of mind (they are nuts).

My daughter made herself a little party over this past summer. Her husband is a pro that used to work for the Staten Island Advance (now with the NY Post) and two of his co-workers from the Advance were there. Since Chad was busy entertaining and cooking, I brought along my recently purchased EP1 to document the afternoon for Jen. When I went to take pics of the two photographers with their wives, they both exclaimed, "Where do you get that already??" Guess they could see past the P&S look of the camera. As has been repeated - perception is everything, but knowledge is much more important.
Steve
 

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