1DmkIV info

Thankfully, Canon is ignoring Nikon's chosen nitch and sticking with the best formula for a sports camera. Perfect blend of IQ, rez, AF, ISO, fps & build quality under $5k. Nikon can keep their low-rez FF nitch. Not interested. Thankfully, neither is Canon.
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'For big slow birds, I need at least 1/500 or 1/800 sec. For small fast birds, I want at least 1/1000 sec. For people, I want at least 1/60 sec'...

sounds like you want pixels per duck, which is fine but not really relevant when commenting on whats best for a 'sports' camera.

Tacksharp said:

Thankfully, Canon is ignoring Nikon's chosen nitch and sticking with the best formula for a sports camera. Perfect blend of IQ, rez, AF, ISO, fps & build quality under $5k. Nikon can keep their low-rez FF nitch. Not interested. Thankfully, neither is Canon.
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PJSHOOTER said:

They are testing them for a large sports agency.

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Bull.

Believe me...as a guy who was one of THE first to identify...and then have to repeatedly be proven RIGHT about the horrible problems I had with my Mark III...even I have to call BS on this post.

A "large sports agency"???

Riiiiight. -You haven't even revealed who they are...and there's no reason why you couldn't name the agency...except if you're full of poop.

Bing!

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Looks like it will be out December 18th in Asia.
Right before Christmas.

JO

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Why should I name who they are? What exactly do I owe you? Go out and shoot some more and stop worrying about it, at least try and improve on those sports pics you have on your site. Those who want to add to the discussion can.

Markuson said:

PJSHOOTER said:

They are testing them for a large sports agency.

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Bull.

Believe me...as a guy who was one of THE first to identify...and then have to repeatedly be proven RIGHT about the horrible problems I had with my Mark III...even I have to call BS on this post.

A "large sports agency"???

Riiiiight. -You haven't even revealed who they are...and there's no reason why you couldn't name the agency...except if you're full of poop.

Bing!

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Tacksharp said:

Thankfully, Canon is ignoring Nikon's chosen nitch and sticking with the best formula for a sports camera. Perfect blend of IQ, rez, AF, ISO, fps & build quality under $5k. Nikon can keep their low-rez FF nitch. Not interested. Thankfully, neither is Canon.
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The word you want is "niche" - there is no such word at "nitch".

(yes, the spelling gestapo are on the prowl...)

Johnny Gossett said:

oh really go make a post about your new 70-200 VR II is really a 65-140 at MFD and see the carnage.

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I believe all telephoto zoom lenses from all makers change focal length when focused closer than infinity , macro lenses do the same and even some prime lenses here is an article that explains it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_lens
Jim

jim stirling said:

Johnny Gossett said:

oh really go make a post about your new 70-200 VR II is really a 65-140 at MFD and see the carnage.

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I believe all telephoto zoom lenses from all makers change focal length when focused closer than infinity , macro lenses do the same and even some prime lenses here is an article that explains it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_lens
Jim

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I understand the concept, just pointing this out as an example of turmoil that could be caused in the Nikon Forum. When the attempt was suggusted the Nikon forum lack fanboys ( it doesn't) We all know VRII does not act the same as VR1 at MFD on the 70-200.

J

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Johnny Gossett said:

jim stirling said:

Johnny Gossett said:

oh really go make a post about your new 70-200 VR II is really a 65-140 at MFD and see the carnage.

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Johnny

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I believe all telephoto zoom lenses from all makers change focal length when focused closer than infinity , macro lenses do the same and even some prime lenses here is an article that explains it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_lens
Jim

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I understand the concept, just pointing this out as an example of turmoil that could be caused in the Nikon Forum. When the attempt was suggusted the Nikon forum lack fanboys ( it doesn't) We all know VRII does not act the same as VR1 at MFD on the 70-200.

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Hi Johnny,

you are right there are avid fan boys in all the forums but this issue is not unique to Nikon lenses and is a known fact of zoom lens design , though maybe it is a bit more pronounced on this lens
Jim

You started this thread, so what do you owe us? You owe us the name of the people that have said this......who is the large sports agency? If you can't back up your threads.......don't post em in the first place.....you have this exact same thread started over at POTN and your getting the same crap over there. Leave us alone if you can't back it up.

PJSHOOTER said:

Why should I name who they are? What exactly do I owe you? Go out and shoot some more and stop worrying about it, at least try and improve on those sports pics you have on your site. Those who want to add to the discussion can.

Markuson said:

PJSHOOTER said:

They are testing them for a large sports agency.

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Bull.

Believe me...as a guy who was one of THE first to identify...and then have to repeatedly be proven RIGHT about the horrible problems I had with my Mark III...even I have to call BS on this post.

A "large sports agency"???

Riiiiight. -You haven't even revealed who they are...and there's no reason why you couldn't name the agency...except if you're full of poop.

Bing!

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PJSHOOTER said:

I understand that its difficult to take what I say with much meaning though, as people don't know who I am or where I got my information from, but it could at least lead to an interesting discussion.

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It's probable that no one takes your post serious because you can't backup any of your claims. You can't point to links on review sites, reports, or anything to back up your comments. You won't even say who your "friends" work for. It's no wonder people think you're a troll.

A colleague of mine has had a 1D MkIV for a few weeks now, shooting major sporting events in the country, and says the camera is brilliant. AF is much improved and the Cf options make it so much better than it ever was before. He works for Inpho.

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POTN? What are you on about? its not my thread. Its not like im forcing you to read this, if you dont like it why are you replying?

woolcan said:

You started this thread, so what do you owe us? You owe us the name of the people that have said this......who is the large sports agency? If you can't back up your threads.......don't post em in the first place.....you have this exact same thread started over at POTN and your getting the same crap over there. Leave us alone if you can't back it up.

PJSHOOTER said:

Why should I name who they are? What exactly do I owe you? Go out and shoot some more and stop worrying about it, at least try and improve on those sports pics you have on your site. Those who want to add to the discussion can.

Markuson said:

PJSHOOTER said:

They are testing them for a large sports agency.

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Bull.

Believe me...as a guy who was one of THE first to identify...and then have to repeatedly be proven RIGHT about the horrible problems I had with my Mark III...even I have to call BS on this post.

A "large sports agency"???

Riiiiight. -You haven't even revealed who they are...and there's no reason why you couldn't name the agency...except if you're full of poop.

Bing!

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I hope you are right about the camera. Though of course it could all be something you made up, even with the name of an agency. You see, naming them gives you no more credibility. The point is, lets hope they really get this camera right, im sure we agree on that.

PaulWa said:

PJSHOOTER said:

I understand that its difficult to take what I say with much meaning though, as people don't know who I am or where I got my information from, but it could at least lead to an interesting discussion.

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It's probable that no one takes your post serious because you can't backup any of your claims. You can't point to links on review sites, reports, or anything to back up your comments. You won't even say who your "friends" work for. It's no wonder people think you're a troll.

A colleague of mine has had a 1D MkIV for a few weeks now, shooting major sporting events in the country, and says the camera is brilliant. AF is much improved and the Cf options make it so much better than it ever was before. He works for Inpho.

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Irish Freelance Sports Photographer
http://www.photography.paul-walsh.net/

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What is there so hard to understand?

The cameras out there are not production ones and those who got them can not reveal much. Wish to get a new camera to try next time? Give it a praise and keep your profile low in front of public.

So I'm much more worried about positive comments.

PaulWa said:

It's probable that no one takes your post serious because you can't backup any of your claims. You can't point to links on review sites, reports, or anything to back up your comments. You won't even say who your "friends" work for. It's no wonder people think you're a troll.

A colleague of mine has had a 1D MkIV for a few weeks now, shooting major sporting events in the country, and says the camera is brilliant. AF is much improved and the Cf options make it so much better than it ever was before. He works for Inpho.

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Irish Freelance Sports Photographer
http://www.photography.paul-walsh.net/

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No, this is not a joke. Just had the chance to take a few shots with the pre-production 1DMkIV. Just to try and feel the camera, but not keep/download the picts for my own.

Had the rarefield opportunity to be acquainted with a pro photographer who was doing an assignment, preparing for a Canon sanctioned official presentation for the 1DmkIV this coming weekend. Followed him around for about 2 hours as he went about doing his assignment shooting people in some instances 'almost no light' as he would describe it. In and around the marina area here.

First things, the ISO is unbelievable. The pre-production video shots are just like those by Vincent Laforet are 'straight out of the camera', I saw samples of what he took of a car driver in his Mercedes and associated shots. Very dark settings but very nicely rendered videos. A lot of ISO6400 video clippings.

AF is as good as they come. But truthfully, it was not truly tested in those conditions. In some cases, it was impossible to shoot using AF as it was so dark, basically there was 'no light'. But you still can shoot using manual focus LV, and get excellent pictures!

Something different with the screen though. Although its supposed to be same as the 5DmkII (which I own) / 7D, the picture quality somehow looks better. Its something I observed, but may not be true.

There might be some photo/video footage of horse racing too as far as I heard.

As far as his personal comments goes, he's asking the Canon representative if he can get his hands on a production set by X'mas, which it is slated to be available before. That I think says as much about his personal opinions as anything else.

I'm not naming the party/parties involved as this is my 'chance' encounter with a really nice gentleman as well as the Canon rep. Don't wish to get them into any form of trouble directly. So, I shall keep it as I describe here.

There will be some local press as well as enthusiast/hobbyist coverage for the event this weekend, so I can assure you, my claims here can be verified by next week.

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its not my thread.

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If it's not your thread, whose is it?

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AlephNull said:

The word you want is "niche" - there is no such word at "nitch".

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Thanks for that correction!
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Victor Engel said:

If it's not your thread, whose is it?

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I think the OP is taking about the thread in POTN; referring that he didn’t start it.

Now, even if he started a thread here, I don’t think he’s the owner. He (as any of us) can’t delete or even edit our posts, less even an entire thread; so I’m guessing that “all information is dpreview property” unless copyrighted, so then they blame the poster… as any other place online.

Now, in accordance to NDAif he disclose his friend’s names or the agency, Canon could easily remove those people from future tests. This is the perfect excuse and alibi to talk about real or imaginary friends and non of us could really know the truth behind the posts (or any other as the rule on internet).

I was an early adopter of the 1D3, mine was terrible, nothing about the focus, I didn’t even had a chance to test it, it was almost DOA, errors since the first use, frozen once the errors were cleared so returned and there was no more units, after a week, they gave me my money back and I got a couple lenses instead.

If B&H is still doing the same, I would go and buy a 1D4 but I admit, I’m a little afraid because if the same fiasco happen and I get a bad unit for something I cannot test immediately, I will have to deal with Canon instead of returning it to the store.

Now, I just wonder, not being an American but living in NY for a while, and seeing the way many things go to court (I’ve received notices for court settlements for a Microsoft router, a Master motorcycle lock, a Dell memory, etc); How come the 1D3 “fiasco” didn’t reach the same level? I mean, there’s always an attorney ready to sue and make money… Why if many people complain, and “agencies” complained, canon was so lucky not to hit court?

Perhaps, the 1D3 was simply not as good as the Nikon so simply people go that route, and yes, there were some units with problems, but so limited that could never hit a lawsuit. My photography is now leaning to low light, and I’m even thinking to get a D3s and start building from there to keep 2 systems for a while and later decide… I’m not loyal to any business, I pay for the products, I don’t owe them and they don’t owe me anything; I’m only loyal to the efforts I make to get the money to buy my toys.

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Most of these people jumping on the lack of information is right. If you are willing to post information this important then they have a right to ask you when, where, how, and why. I think everyone and their mom that would buy a Mark IV is already very well aware of all the troubles that the Mark III had and wary of what the Mark IV brings.

Putting out a post out there with this little background info on where they tested it. How the AF was bad, and what exact reason they sent it back for other than it being "bad" is a little irresponsible. It does not give any information of real relevance other than the AF is supposedly bad enough for this one photographer to send it back. There is obviously much more that can be said without revealing who the photographer is that you are speaking about.

While I commend you for trying to warn your fellow shooters this ends up little more than a tease for all of us eager to know any REAL info about the Mark IV and it's AF. Based on your info alone it could be any number of reasons why the AF was not accurate for this particular photographer that has nothing to do with the actual af system being bad.