Why do people feel the 105 VR macro is not a good portrait lens?

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I tried this lens out the other day at B&H and really liked it, but I have heard people discourage its use as a portrait lens. Bad bokeh? What's the deal? It seemed really short, and the VR was very useable (loved the Sigma 150 2.8 macro, but it was heavy and no image stabilization of any kind).

Thoughts?
 
Not sure what "people" you are talking about ..
The 105/2.8vr is a GREAT portrait lens .
It also has Nano-Coating .





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Great pictures, I tried one the other day and really liked it.
 
Love that first shot, epitomises the love between 'two friends'!!

Love the 105VR, it's a brilliant lens. I think the 'complaint' (if any) is that it is just too sharp and has too much contrast to make the grade as a portrait lens but you can always undo this in pp if that is to your taste.
 
It's a macro lens duh...it's too sharp for portraits. Usually you don't want the face in a portrait to be mega sharp as it accentuates all the imperfections and stuff.

It's a personal feeling how you want to make your portraits.
I tried this lens out the other day at B&H and really liked it, but I have heard people discourage its use as a portrait lens. Bad bokeh? What's the deal? It seemed really short, and the VR was very useable (loved the Sigma 150 2.8 macro, but it was heavy and no image stabilization of any kind).

Thoughts?
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at portrait distances. It's designed to shoot non-human subjects at close distance - and it's great for its intended purpose.

Professional photographers don't use macro lenses for portraits - they use purpose built portrait lenses and zoom lenses. Nikon makes both of these kinds of lenses, such as the 105mm f/2 DC and the 70-200mm f/2.8 AF-S VR.

What tends to happen with many amateur photographers is that they buy or use a macro lens for macro use and find that the lens's focal length is suitable for portraits, the lens is sharp, and may have pleasiing bokeh. Then they think that said macro (Micro in Nikon's nomenclature) is now a portrait lens. Not necessarily true.

If the 105VR Micro is such a great portrait lens, why does Nikon make a purpose built portrait lens at the same focal length, the 105mm f/2 DC, in addition to the 135mm DC? There's a reason for this - the DC lenses have specially formulated glass that is designed to flatter skin tones, the DC lenses are very sharp with medium contrast, fast, with f/2 capability, and finally have the unique Defocus Control feature, worth another post entireley. They also focus faster than the 105VR Micro - at portrait working distances.
 
If you are not a pro you are allowed to use the 105VR for portraiture....I'm not a pro.
I used the 105VR for this med distance shot...



and a 35f1.4 for this macro of the trucks hood ornament...I somehow got it backwards



I also own the 85f1.4 and the 135f2DC and while those two are better portrait lenses the 105VR is no slouch, good at a walk about, good at macro and good at portraiture...as long as you are not a pro.
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105VR f3



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105VR f3



Me thinks it is one of Nikon's finest
Boris
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I asked the same question to you in another post. Just got my lens yesterday, and was considering returning it because of the front focus.
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It's not terribly fast at portrait distances (headshots) as the largest aperture gets smaller when distance decreases. (Normal behaviour for macro lenses).

Also, I feel it doesn't render skin tones as beautifully as lenses designed for portraits, e.g. 85/1.4 AF-D. People say it is too sharp, but I do not think that is the problem. I think the problem is that it is not 'sharp and soft at the same time' as lenses more suitable for portraits, it is just sharp.

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It's a macro lens duh...it's too sharp for portraits. Usually you don't want the face in a portrait to be mega sharp as it accentuates all the imperfections and stuff.
You want eyelashes and eyes to be sharp. All the rest can be smeared (or gaussian blurred, or whatever you like) in PP if you want...
 
As a professional shooter, count me in on the folks who DON'T like the 105 VR, nor do I know a single pro shooter who is impressed with it. Here's why:

1) Not the sharpest macro compared to others, though it's very good.
2) Bokeh is not great compared to a Tamron 90 or 180
3) VR is useless for macro and not dreadfully useful at 105 either.
4) Not a good value.

I can only imagine how great the 105 VR would have been if Nikon had left the VR elements and complexity out. They pursued a dual purpose goal and came up short on both ends.

If you want a macro, buy a dedicated macro, one with reach, such as a 150 or 180. If you want to do portraits, go with a 85mm 1.8 or better.

Max Green

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My 105/2.5 is brutal on wrinkles, but I don't mind. I can always smear some vaseline in the filter if I feel that I need to soften something. But, if the lens is not too crisp, you simply can't make it better (prefer little pp). So, if I want macro, I'd go for 150 or even 300/4. Also, have no reason to pay 10X just so I could have minimal use of VR. But, that's just me.

Leswick
 
One of Nikons sharpest lenses. Look at some of the close up product shots on my site. If your doing macro your shooting manual AF so lets clear that up. Yes theres CA wide open and the focus can hunt in low light on auto, but this lens is razor sharp edge to edge. Oh and strap the TC 1.4 on it and get closer and larger in macro : ) It makes a great portrait lens on FF and a NICE medium tele in DX mode. That said, whats not to like? Its a dual purpose lens in my book that is built like a tank. Id rather have to blur a portrait that sharpen one anyday.
PS, on my D300 with the TC 1.7 its a f4.8 270mm thats no slouch : )

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As a professional shooter, count me in on the folks who DON'T like the 105 VR, nor do I know a single pro shooter who is impressed with it. Here's why:

1) Not the sharpest macro compared to others, though it's very good.
2) Bokeh is not great compared to a Tamron 90 or 180
3) VR is useless for macro and not dreadfully useful at 105 either.
4) Not a good value.

I can only imagine how great the 105 VR would have been if Nikon had left the VR elements and complexity out. They pursued a dual purpose goal and came up short on both ends.

If you want a macro, buy a dedicated macro, one with reach, such as a 150 or 180. If you want to do portraits, go with a 85mm 1.8 or better.

Max Green
You forgot to mention that AF is useless for macro.
 
Usually it's much harder to see. Thank you.
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You forgot to mention that AF is useless for macro.
As shown by this shot of taken for "National Talk Like a Pirate Day," AF can and does work under the right circumstances.



I'm not a professional, nor do I even want to be a professional, so please feel free to sneer at will. However:

-- I do know professionals who own this lens. Nikon's only sold about 150,000 of them, though.

-- The need for DOF in macro work means that often sharpness is diffraction limited. (With the 105mm VR wide open at 1:1, you have between 1/3 and 1/2 a millimeter of DOF, depending on format).

-- At minimum focus, it's true that VR isn't very useful. but in the "near macro" range, often used for flowers, fungi, and larger bugs, VR is quite valuable indeed. I also find VR useful in general at "golden hour," but I suppose that's a matter of shooting style and subject choice.

-- For copystand shots, 150mm or 180mm is inconveniently long. While either could work for the doubloon shown above, here is a much larger "Piece of 8" where I would have run out of copystand in DX format:



Note that in this thread, we now have claims that the 105mm VR is both too sharp and not sharp enough. I've never bought into the "too sharp for portraits" claim. First, many of the legendary 35mm film portrait lenses are razor sharp. For example, photodo gives higher MTF scores to both the 105mm f/1.8 and f/2.5 AI-s than any 105mm Micro-Nikkor. Second, try this simple test. Take an eyelashes hair and place it next to a pore or skin blemish from the same person. Unless you like your portraits with cartoon-like solid eyelashes, you're going to see blemishes. My solutions, in order of preference, are make-up or post-processing. With film, I also used soft-focus filters of various types.

Still, while all lenses are engineering compromises, there are some other reasons why the 105mm VR is less than ideal for portraiture. For DX, it's both a bit long by conventional standards. The maximum aperture is a bit on the narrow side. To my eye, bokeh is okay, but it shouldn't surprise anyone that the $1000+ portrait Nikkors have the edge for candids and environmental portraiture. (Against a studio backdrop or seamless paper, bokeh is far less of an issue.)

But the biggest problem with using this lens for portraiture is focus accuracy. Like every macro lens I've ever used, including the cult classic Tokina, most of the focus throw of the 105mm VR is dedicated to close range work. You only have about 10 degreess of throw between 5 and 10 feet. This makes focusing manually much more difficult, and I'm convinced makes the AF system a bit less accurate as well in those ranges.

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If you like the way a lens performs (or any gear for that matter), use it. Worrying (or even giving more than passing consideration) to what anyone thinks about the equipment you use is not "healthy."
 
Have you actually shot portraits with one?
It's a macro lens duh...it's too sharp for portraits. Usually you don't want the face in a portrait to be mega sharp as it accentuates all the imperfections and stuff.

It's a personal feeling how you want to make your portraits.
I tried this lens out the other day at B&H and really liked it, but I have heard people discourage its use as a portrait lens. Bad bokeh? What's the deal? It seemed really short, and the VR was very useable (loved the Sigma 150 2.8 macro, but it was heavy and no image stabilization of any kind).

Thoughts?
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