Is Nikon so behind???

baruth · Sep 12, 2002

A friend of mine, who is semi-pro, has been with Nikon for 32 years. He jumped boat to Canon. He said Canon's cameras(film and dig) and lenses are so much more advanced=better than Nikon's. I never owned a Canon Slr, so it is hard for me to judge. What do you think? Is Nkon so much behind in technology?-
baruth

Group Idiot · Sep 12, 2002

Apparently, yes.

Nikon is so far behind that they just closed the company and ceased operations yesterday and conceded defeat to mighty, superior Canon. How they managed to manufacture more D100s than Canon could D60s remains a mystery.

Mulder and Scully are investigating.

John Ricard · Sep 12, 2002

That's funny because MY friend is also a semi-pro. And he too has been with Nikon for 32 years. But he says Cannon cameras aren't more advanced than Nikons. What do you guys think about that?

JP Photography · Sep 12, 2002

Lets see which one NASA takes on the next trip to the moon, Nikon again ? We know Hassey will be back, (the yellow one for sure) or is it Mars..........

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KC Wong · Sep 12, 2002

May I remind you that it was Nikon who introduced the first consumer affordable DSLR - D1 in 3 years ago! Where is Canon at that time?

Nikon behind the technology? I don't think so! PLEASE just wait for a moment and let see what the D2 will be!!!

KC

Negative287 · Sep 12, 2002

I can only speak from experience... I'm not a professional but I can say that the only SLR's I've used before this month were Canon SLR's; however, when I actually picked up a Nikon just to play with it, I was amazed at how much faster the comparable models were to the Canons that I've used...

I'm not going to dog Canon as I like the way a lot of pictures from their cameras look but if you ask anyone what Canon continues to mess up on their cameras it is usually a focusing issue that appears... The D30 was well recieved but people had issues with the focusing... The G2 (not an SLR I know) focusing issues again... The D60 I believe had an update released from Canon to help with it's focusing issues when enough D60 owners complained and I hear that is pretty good now.

As for the technology, I don't think either is clearly superior to the other as they both have areas that the other is somewhat weaker at... As I've said the focusing speed and issues are usually Canons while higher noise levels are usually Nikons.

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Kathy in MD · Sep 12, 2002

Ya know what...I used to be a Canon die-hard. I really enjoyed their lenses and bodies. I owned a couple of A-1 bodies, winders and some really really nice SCC lenses.

Then

Cannon went EOS. I could not mount a single lens on these new bodies if I wanted to. This REALLY bugged me - there was ZERO backward combatability for this small fortune of lenses I had - esp the SCC lenses.

Hello Ebay - Hello Nikon. I have used a friends D mount lens that he purchased 10 years ago on my N90. Yes, it was manual focus (gee, just like in the old days), but it was sharp as a tack and quite compatible.

Canon lost my trust when they did the EOS route - I will NEVER purchase another camera from them again. Now that I am Nikon equiped, I am quite happy and I am not looking back (which is something Canon should have done IF THEY WERE SO FAR AHEAD!!!)

Please take no offense,
Kathy

DrMark · Sep 12, 2002

Yes they must be, all of us owners of Nikon Equipment are sitting here at our computers waiting for that knock on our door to free us from the misery called Nikon. My friend was a soda jerk for 50 years and he says that Canon must be ahead of everyone.
But wait.... theres more...

He said I would get a nice "new" set of ginsu knives with every Canon purchase. For every barrel of gun powder and cannon balls you buy you get a ...... Wait wrong Cannon?
Darn, I guess that means I am stuck with Nikon, my loss....

Negative287 · Sep 12, 2002

I hear ya Kathy, I got burned with the G2 and that's why I was leaning heavily toward the D100 (which I bought) with some side thoughts on the S2.

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Clive Blair · Sep 13, 2002

I remembered an advert Canon ran in the 80's to show how far they thought they were ahead and different from the other makers. It was along the lines of:

A,B,C(anon),D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M(inolta),N(ikon),O(lympus),
P(entax),Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z.

It didn't make me buy Canon though as I'm a firm Nikon fan and user!!

Clive

GoldenHammer · Sep 13, 2002

not Nikon nor Canon...

GH

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Greg Gebhardt · Sep 13, 2002

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Are you sure he jump boat or they fired him. Disgruntled information from an X-employee!

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alfred_schiele · Sep 13, 2002

Hi!

Well, when does this guy switch to Leica because Canon Lenses are so bad (-;

When does he switch to a viewfinder Leica because all SLR wide angles are worse to viewfinder cameras symmetric lens constructions...

And when does he switch to any MF because it is so superiour in detail compared to any 35mm filn or 35mm based digital camera?

Not technology but you make images.

Are you dissapointed with your equipment?

I have some different stuff and there is few between a Leica prime and a Nikon prime for a normal user. MF is much better than anything 35mm based I tried...

Nikon has a broad range of lenses, some below average, some good and some superiour as every manufacturer has. Unless you have very special demands - which might cause you to own more than one brand and system - there is no reason to panic in any way...

Regards, A. Schiele.

Ger Bee · Sep 13, 2002

... yes!

I have made a commitment to Nikon for a couple of years - I was waiting for the Canon Eos 1-D (not the D60) but it was delayed by almost, or more than a full year.

There is a point one reaches where equipment will satisfy to a certain level. Both Canon and Nikon professional level machines deliver in abundance and either can be more than one needs – in this lass of machine.

However, like a new mobile phone, where one finds new things or new ways of doing old things – one really does not need or want the news “features” but as one gets accustomed to them appearing on new models and even some budget models sporting advanced features (even if the full feature set is not available) one nonetheless gets and expectation of similar specifications and performance in all similar equipment. In this light I believe that Nikon are a little in the doldrums and from my own small sampling of the best of the Eos and the D1x (which I own), then the Canon is noticeable ahead.

Now one could mention the printing press – but I’ve been through this one too recently – suffice to say that a typical Canon Eos shooter will reproduce better colour and exhibit better flash control than a similar D1x or D1h shooter for instance. To further endorse that notion I personally forward the notion that the D100 can do the same against the D1x (which I know better) easily and simply.

So I guess that Nikon are falling behind and will remain behind for ten years or more.

Ger Bee · Sep 13, 2002

.... and have no immediate plans to go Canon.

All my comments are in regard to the Eos 1-D and not the D30 or the D60 BTW.

Lukeye · Sep 13, 2002

With all other things being equal, there is one thing that nobody seems to have considered...

The thing that sets a professional apart from the rest is his ability to choose the right tools.

This usually applies to all trades. Woodworking, music, race cars. I could list others.

In terms of photography, it tends to be the person behind the lens that matters most, but in the end, the tools used needs to meet the requirements of the task at hand.

Erik.

Jason Stoller · Sep 13, 2002

No offense here but there was an adapter that allowed you to use your older lenses on the E0S camera bodies. Finding them is another story. As far as Nikon lenses and compatiblity are concerned, there are many write ups on the internet and a very good one on B&H about Nikon lenses and backward compatiblity. I think once you read that article on B&H you just might change your view on the backward compatiblity of Nikon lenses. With that being said, I have had respect for the function and build of Nikons higher end cameras. In 1987 when autofocus cameras were in the begining stage, I bought the Pentax SF1 because I was unaware of that an adapter to use older lenses was available for the EOS system. I knew that both Pentax and Nikon made lenses of good quality. After my camera equipment was stolen I used the insurance money and bought a Nikon N70 over the N90s because of some differences in features. When it came to the digital age, I again had to take a look at differences in features and what was offered. I started looking at camera bodies and considered the D1x, but then I took a look at lenses. Let me say this post in not intended to flame in any shape or form. I decided against the Nikon D1x even though I could have purchased it for less money than the Canon 1D I choose. The 1D is not my first digital camera by any means but it is my first Canon. Canon offered me several things I wanted. After owning an Olympus E-100Rs I understood and knew the value of a Canon IS lens. After owning the Nikon 950 previous to several other digital cameras, I knew I wanted an optical viewfinder. At the time I purchased the 1D Canon had 10 IS lenses available and now they are coming out with DO lenses as well. I realize that Nikon has VR but its not available throught the line yet. Wireless flash technology was another reason that swayed me, and I do know that Nikon finally has released the wireless flash. The speed of the 1D with the larger pixel size and the 1.3 multiplier were also some of the other reasons. With Nikon I realized to get the speed of focus out of the D1x and to take full advantage of it, I would have to invest in AFS lenses. Anyway thats why I made the choices I did. I think there are fantastic photographs that come out of both systems. With the announcement of the 11.1 Canon 1DS, I see another innovation and advancement by Canon that will strongly impact the industry. I am sure that Nikon will answer, and I am waiting to see what is announced by them.

I know I am on a rant, but I wanted to point out that while both systems are good systems, backward compatibilty issues exist with both systems.

Jason

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Bill Marks · Sep 13, 2002

Ger Bee,

On what do you base your idea that Nikon is lagging behind with the D1 series ?? I doubt that thousands of shooters around the world would have invested their money (and continue to do so) in the system if it was so behind..

This is the same old story. Nikon comes out with something that blows Canon away (alla Nikon D1), Canon scrambles with catching up and brings out the D30.. (Used to be the 35mm SLR game Canon F1, Nikon F3 etc)

Now Canon has 1Ds and when Nikon brings their next camera to market (and I will bet it will before ten years..) it will blow the doors off Canon and then Canon will counter attack again..

Whether buying Canon or NIkon I really don't think you can go wrong. Trying to stay ahead with the latest technology is only so good until something new comes out..

One of the main reasons that I am sticking with my D1 (although I did get a D100 as a second back up).

Enjoy your investment and go take some great pictures..

Rgds,

sjh

jack stephens · Sep 13, 2002

It cannot be said that Canon is absolutely ahead, but in the area of image stabilization, silent lens motors, and diffractive optics Canon is definitely ahead.

Jack

Cribbage · Sep 13, 2002

Canon is about to announce a vapour camera -- promising the moon -- with the longest anticipated time to market of any camera in their history, unproven technology and a loss-leader price.

Whatever Nikon has up its sleeve with the D2, it must be HUGE to have driven Canon to this embarrassing extreme, which will prove to be a pall over Canon's digital reputation.

Is Nikon so behind???

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