Should I wait? A treatise....

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Hi all.

Since this forum tends to overflow with questions concerning the timeliness of purchases vs. the next "best thing" I thought I would post with my own take on the situation. As always these are my opinions and you may or may not agree. I respect that and encourage good dialog on the subject at hand.

First by way of information about me. I set up my first B&W darkroom about 25 years ago when I was 13. It was great fun and taught me tons about the art of photography. I can still remember the joy when I went to NYC one day and bought my first SLR - a Nikon FE from 47th st. photo. At the time it was the be-all and end-all to my photographic needs.

I used the camera exclusively up until about 5 years ago when, because I was expecting my first child, I decided to get with the "modern age" of 35mm. I bought a canon elanII and some lenses for about $800. It was to me the best gear I had ever used - and surely I would use it forever.

Well needless to say it was still a film camera and I caught the digital bug when I bought a coolpix 990. This digital thing was revolutionary!!! How could you ever want more? This would be the camera I would use for years and years!

Needless to say the old cp990 had some fatal flaws. The image quality was super, but forget about quick focus. And forget about sports, and, and...

So about 6 months later I decided to get a d30. I had never ever imaged spending over two thousand dollars on a camera. That to me is absurd. But I bought one. And absolutely loved it. I still do. The image quality is stunning. But the camera has some fatal flaws. AF is bad. At high ISO noise is bad. Etc. Etc. But I have learned more about the art of photography since aquiring it than I had in the past 15 years combined. And my results with the d30 are surely the best I have ever had.

So as relates to "should I buy now...should I wait" my conclusions are:

1. No digital camera you buy now will be your last. This is because with digital there has been a fundamental paradigm shift. The digi-cam is no longer an optical device. It is (only) a highly sophisticated, incredibly complex computer that is dedicated to the task of converting light waves into electronic, digital data. As such the digi-cam has entered the (straight down) rollercoaster known as obsolescence. No matter what or when you buy - you are buying old. There are ALWAYS better things to come. The manufacturers are already testing them! This is primarily because unlike a film based camera your capture medium, the sensor, is hardwired to the camera. With film there aren't really any major advances to camera design left. It is the film that has been changing, not the camera. With digital it is exactly the opposite.

2. In my experience I am not nor have I ever met anyone who is entirely satisfied with their digital camera. Regardless of cost or brand. Everyone has a gripe. And EVERYONE wants something better. Period. This is because digital imaging is still in its infancy. Such issues as exposure latitude, ISO noise,AF, color interpolation, etc. will continue to be greatly improved upon in the future. That is the nature of the electronic beast. And once again its not simply a matter of changing from kodak max800 to fuji press 800. You have to change the camera !

3. Based on the above conclusions what you and I are doing by buying anything now, Ladies and Gentleman, is providing Canon, Nikon etc with cashflow for their R&D into the cameras we all really want to have. That's not a bad thing, not at all, but we must recognize this is where we are at.

4. Therefore, buy that camera that will serve your needs as closely as possible today, in the here and now. Decide on the manufacturer that you want to build a system around. It is much more than a camera. As many of us know it is really the lenses that cost the money! If you like Canon, go Canon. If you like Nikon go with them. But make a conscious decision in that regard.

5. Enjoy what you have now and use it, use it, use it. Practice and perfect now so that when the really good stuff comes along you will be ready to take full advantage of it!

Personally, I plan on skipping a generation or two of DSLR's. Despite its shortcomings my needs are met reasonbly well enough by the d30. And I simply cannot afford to spend $2-5K every time Canon brings out their new "best." As a very serious amateur I don't like it- but I have to put up with it- because things like transportation, kids clothes and a mortgage have to take priority.
But I really want.....

Thanks for your time...good luck!
Mike
 
you can't look back when Canon or Nikon introduces the camera that you REALLY want!
I agree ... get what you want or need now. Use it!

I bought a 1D because it suited me. I've had it for six weeks, 6000+ images. And I don't care at all if a 6-12 mp version is announced at Photokina!
Ken
Hi all.

Since this forum tends to overflow with questions concerning the
timeliness of purchases vs. the next "best thing" I thought I would
post with my own take on the situation. As always these are my
opinions and you may or may not agree. I respect that and encourage
good dialog on the subject at hand.

First by way of information about me. I set up my first B&W
darkroom about 25 years ago when I was 13. It was great fun and
taught me tons about the art of photography. I can still remember
the joy when I went to NYC one day and bought my first SLR - a
Nikon FE from 47th st. photo. At the time it was the be-all and
end-all to my photographic needs.

I used the camera exclusively up until about 5 years ago when,
because I was expecting my first child, I decided to get with the
"modern age" of 35mm. I bought a canon elanII and some lenses for
about $800. It was to me the best gear I had ever used - and surely
I would use it forever.

Well needless to say it was still a film camera and I caught the
digital bug when I bought a coolpix 990. This digital thing was
revolutionary!!! How could you ever want more? This would be the
camera I would use for years and years!

Needless to say the old cp990 had some fatal flaws. The image
quality was super, but forget about quick focus. And forget about
sports, and, and...
So about 6 months later I decided to get a d30. I had never ever
imaged spending over two thousand dollars on a camera. That to me
is absurd. But I bought one. And absolutely loved it. I still do.
The image quality is stunning. But the camera has some fatal flaws.
AF is bad. At high ISO noise is bad. Etc. Etc. But I have learned
more about the art of photography since aquiring it than I had in
the past 15 years combined. And my results with the d30 are surely
the best I have ever had.

So as relates to "should I buy now...should I wait" my conclusions
are:

1. No digital camera you buy now will be your last. This is because
with digital there has been a fundamental paradigm shift. The
digi-cam is no longer an optical device. It is (only) a highly
sophisticated, incredibly complex computer that is dedicated to the
task of converting light waves into electronic, digital data. As
such the digi-cam has entered the (straight down) rollercoaster
known as obsolescence. No matter what or when you buy - you are
buying old. There are ALWAYS better things to come. The
manufacturers are already testing them! This is primarily because
unlike a film based camera your capture medium, the sensor, is
hardwired to the camera. With film there aren't really any major
advances to camera design left. It is the film that has been
changing, not the camera. With digital it is exactly the opposite.

2. In my experience I am not nor have I ever met anyone who is
entirely satisfied with their digital camera. Regardless of cost or
brand. Everyone has a gripe. And EVERYONE wants something better.
Period. This is because digital imaging is still in its infancy.
Such issues as exposure latitude, ISO noise,AF, color
interpolation, etc. will continue to be greatly improved upon in
the future. That is the nature of the electronic beast. And once
again its not simply a matter of changing from kodak max800 to fuji
press 800. You have to change the camera !

3. Based on the above conclusions what you and I are doing by
buying anything now, Ladies and Gentleman, is providing Canon,
Nikon etc with cashflow for their R&D into the cameras we all
really want to have. That's not a bad thing, not at all, but we
must recognize this is where we are at.

4. Therefore, buy that camera that will serve your needs as closely
as possible today, in the here and now. Decide on the manufacturer
that you want to build a system around. It is much more than a
camera. As many of us know it is really the lenses that cost the
money! If you like Canon, go Canon. If you like Nikon go with them.
But make a conscious decision in that regard.

5. Enjoy what you have now and use it, use it, use it. Practice and
perfect now so that when the really good stuff comes along you will
be ready to take full advantage of it!

Personally, I plan on skipping a generation or two of DSLR's.
Despite its shortcomings my needs are met reasonbly well enough by
the d30. And I simply cannot afford to spend $2-5K every time Canon
brings out their new "best." As a very serious amateur I don't like
it- but I have to put up with it- because things like
transportation, kids clothes and a mortgage have to take priority.
But I really want.....

Thanks for your time...good luck!
Mike
 
... when someone else is perfectly describing your very own feelings about the digital camera thing.

Thanks!
Hi all.

Since this forum tends to overflow with questions concerning the
timeliness of purchases vs. the next "best thing" I thought I would
post with my own take on the situation. As always these are my
opinions and you may or may not agree. I respect that and encourage
good dialog on the subject at hand.

First by way of information about me. I set up my first B&W
darkroom about 25 years ago when I was 13. It was great fun and
taught me tons about the art of photography. I can still remember
the joy when I went to NYC one day and bought my first SLR - a
Nikon FE from 47th st. photo. At the time it was the be-all and
end-all to my photographic needs.

I used the camera exclusively up until about 5 years ago when,
because I was expecting my first child, I decided to get with the
"modern age" of 35mm. I bought a canon elanII and some lenses for
about $800. It was to me the best gear I had ever used - and surely
I would use it forever.

Well needless to say it was still a film camera and I caught the
digital bug when I bought a coolpix 990. This digital thing was
revolutionary!!! How could you ever want more? This would be the
camera I would use for years and years!

Needless to say the old cp990 had some fatal flaws. The image
quality was super, but forget about quick focus. And forget about
sports, and, and...
So about 6 months later I decided to get a d30. I had never ever
imaged spending over two thousand dollars on a camera. That to me
is absurd. But I bought one. And absolutely loved it. I still do.
The image quality is stunning. But the camera has some fatal flaws.
AF is bad. At high ISO noise is bad. Etc. Etc. But I have learned
more about the art of photography since aquiring it than I had in
the past 15 years combined. And my results with the d30 are surely
the best I have ever had.

So as relates to "should I buy now...should I wait" my conclusions
are:

1. No digital camera you buy now will be your last. This is because
with digital there has been a fundamental paradigm shift. The
digi-cam is no longer an optical device. It is (only) a highly
sophisticated, incredibly complex computer that is dedicated to the
task of converting light waves into electronic, digital data. As
such the digi-cam has entered the (straight down) rollercoaster
known as obsolescence. No matter what or when you buy - you are
buying old. There are ALWAYS better things to come. The
manufacturers are already testing them! This is primarily because
unlike a film based camera your capture medium, the sensor, is
hardwired to the camera. With film there aren't really any major
advances to camera design left. It is the film that has been
changing, not the camera. With digital it is exactly the opposite.

2. In my experience I am not nor have I ever met anyone who is
entirely satisfied with their digital camera. Regardless of cost or
brand. Everyone has a gripe. And EVERYONE wants something better.
Period. This is because digital imaging is still in its infancy.
Such issues as exposure latitude, ISO noise,AF, color
interpolation, etc. will continue to be greatly improved upon in
the future. That is the nature of the electronic beast. And once
again its not simply a matter of changing from kodak max800 to fuji
press 800. You have to change the camera !

3. Based on the above conclusions what you and I are doing by
buying anything now, Ladies and Gentleman, is providing Canon,
Nikon etc with cashflow for their R&D into the cameras we all
really want to have. That's not a bad thing, not at all, but we
must recognize this is where we are at.

4. Therefore, buy that camera that will serve your needs as closely
as possible today, in the here and now. Decide on the manufacturer
that you want to build a system around. It is much more than a
camera. As many of us know it is really the lenses that cost the
money! If you like Canon, go Canon. If you like Nikon go with them.
But make a conscious decision in that regard.

5. Enjoy what you have now and use it, use it, use it. Practice and
perfect now so that when the really good stuff comes along you will
be ready to take full advantage of it!

Personally, I plan on skipping a generation or two of DSLR's.
Despite its shortcomings my needs are met reasonbly well enough by
the d30. And I simply cannot afford to spend $2-5K every time Canon
brings out their new "best." As a very serious amateur I don't like
it- but I have to put up with it- because things like
transportation, kids clothes and a mortgage have to take priority.
But I really want.....

Thanks for your time...good luck!
Mike
 
You buy cameras to take photos..not to invest in like stocks.

Every day you wait (if you already have the money to buy) is a day you miss a photo opportunity.

There ar people kicking ass with Canon D30's and Nikon D1h's every day. There are people buying that equipment at this moment even!! They might want a D60, 1d or wahtever..but they are taking photos NOW..growing, learning, and building.

So what if you lose $500 on a purchase made now versus later.

Do you measure your vacations by the money spent..the weddings...the engagement rings..or the thousands of other expensive items that pay back in moments and memories..not quarterly returns.

Heck..if you make money with your equipment its a no brainer..you buy what you need now and make it up in porductivity.

Waiting on tech is the first sign of a person more concerned with collecting gear than taking photos to me.
Hi all.

Since this forum tends to overflow with questions concerning the
timeliness of purchases vs. the next "best thing" I thought I would
post with my own take on the situation. As always these are my
opinions and you may or may not agree. I respect that and encourage
good dialog on the subject at hand.
 
Do you print bigger than A4?

Do you NEED the latest gizmos or is it just a want?

if the above are NO then you already HAVE the ideal camera, the D30, so long as the AF isn't annoying you (it doesn't me on the 60) why change?, the D30 STILL has that beautiful CMOS sensor and wonderful pic quality which can make the very best of Canon's top lenses..

I had a 2mp CP950, I ignored the 990, 995 and when a decent sensor upgrade was in order, Nikon didn't have anything which suited me for my job (As I was planning to go mainly Digital for work at the same time) OR leisure so I bought an Olympus E10 which DID!, and now settling in to an almost film free career it's D60 time so I got one for the flexibility, speed and lack of noise... Does this make the CP950 and E10 bad cameras? --- NO, not at all in fact I'd still be using the 950 for macro work if an accident hadn't befallen it :( .. and the E10 will see my current museum contract through (til November)..

I'd have LOVED a D30 when I got my E10 but it was out of my price bracket, but if I HAD bought one, I'd stil have it now and be satisfied!.

--
Olympus C2100UZI +B300, E10, Canon D60.

My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=27855

 
I feel cameras should be upgraded the way computers should be.

Basically, A camera should be upgraded if it does not take a picture that you want to take.

If you can take the pictures you want to take, then there's no reason you NEED to upgrade. But if you are missing picture opportunities because your camera is inadequate, then that is imho unacceptable.

Of course, there are other factors to think about, but imho that's the bottom line.
  • Frank
 
You buy cameras to take photos..not to invest in like stocks.

Every day you wait (if you already have the money to buy) is a day
you miss a photo opportunity.

There ar people kicking ass with Canon D30's and Nikon D1h's every
day. There are people buying that equipment at this moment even!!
They might want a D60, 1d or wahtever..but they are taking photos
NOW..growing, learning, and building.

So what if you lose $500 on a purchase made now versus later.
Unless you are a professional, it is hard to justify an new DSLR every year (every other year perhaps). I have a D30 and may buy a D60 when it comes down in price. In the mean time I have lenses to buy and I am considering a film body (probably an Elan 7). Film still has some advantages over digital. The main one is exposure latitude though the extra pixels from the film scan might come in handy.
 
Mike,

I agree 100 % with your reasoning. I recently bought a D60 and some nice (not L) Canon lenses. I plan on spending the next 5 years or so with buying top of the line L glass. And when finally digital is BETTER then film I'll buy the top of the line Canon DSLR at that time.

Peter
Thanks for your time...good luck!
Mike
--
In the beginning there was nothing, and then even that exploded.
 
I feel cameras should be upgraded the way computers should be.
Basically, A camera should be upgraded if it does not take a
picture that you want to take.
If the D60 can produce wonderful 16x20 prints today, it will keep doing so. Cameras will come along with even less noise, even better resolution, even better AF and the file size might still be smaller for what I know.

But, once I get my D60 (monday), I will still keep my G1 around. Is it as good as the D60 ? I think not. Have I printed 8x10s from my G1 that are very good ? I think so.

Too many people (I think) upgrade cameras because a new one came out. Not because they need a better one, but because it is there. Same thing (kinda) with lenses. If you can't really notice the different in the shooting you're doing, is there a need for an upgrade ?

But, go ahead. Spend tons of money. The extra volume Canon gets on all this equipment will mean lower prices. So I don't mind :)

-Geir
 
The Web... as a readily available personal press is really an outlet for catharsis, and the need people have for peer endorsement of one's positions.

John
Hi all.

Since this forum tends to overflow with questions concerning the
timeliness of purchases vs. the next "best thing" I thought I would
post with my own take on the situation. As always these are my
opinions and you may or may not agree. I respect that and encourage
good dialog on the subject at hand.

First by way of information about me. I set up my first B&W
darkroom about 25 years ago when I was 13. It was great fun and
taught me tons about the art of photography. I can still remember
the joy when I went to NYC one day and bought my first SLR - a
Nikon FE from 47th st. photo. At the time it was the be-all and
end-all to my photographic needs.

I used the camera exclusively up until about 5 years ago when,
because I was expecting my first child, I decided to get with the
"modern age" of 35mm. I bought a canon elanII and some lenses for
about $800. It was to me the best gear I had ever used - and surely
I would use it forever.

Well needless to say it was still a film camera and I caught the
digital bug when I bought a coolpix 990. This digital thing was
revolutionary!!! How could you ever want more? This would be the
camera I would use for years and years!

Needless to say the old cp990 had some fatal flaws. The image
quality was super, but forget about quick focus. And forget about
sports, and, and...
So about 6 months later I decided to get a d30. I had never ever
imaged spending over two thousand dollars on a camera. That to me
is absurd. But I bought one. And absolutely loved it. I still do.
The image quality is stunning. But the camera has some fatal flaws.
AF is bad. At high ISO noise is bad. Etc. Etc. But I have learned
more about the art of photography since aquiring it than I had in
the past 15 years combined. And my results with the d30 are surely
the best I have ever had.

So as relates to "should I buy now...should I wait" my conclusions
are:

1. No digital camera you buy now will be your last. This is because
with digital there has been a fundamental paradigm shift. The
digi-cam is no longer an optical device. It is (only) a highly
sophisticated, incredibly complex computer that is dedicated to the
task of converting light waves into electronic, digital data. As
such the digi-cam has entered the (straight down) rollercoaster
known as obsolescence. No matter what or when you buy - you are
buying old. There are ALWAYS better things to come. The
manufacturers are already testing them! This is primarily because
unlike a film based camera your capture medium, the sensor, is
hardwired to the camera. With film there aren't really any major
advances to camera design left. It is the film that has been
changing, not the camera. With digital it is exactly the opposite.

2. In my experience I am not nor have I ever met anyone who is
entirely satisfied with their digital camera. Regardless of cost or
brand. Everyone has a gripe. And EVERYONE wants something better.
Period. This is because digital imaging is still in its infancy.
Such issues as exposure latitude, ISO noise,AF, color
interpolation, etc. will continue to be greatly improved upon in
the future. That is the nature of the electronic beast. And once
again its not simply a matter of changing from kodak max800 to fuji
press 800. You have to change the camera !

3. Based on the above conclusions what you and I are doing by
buying anything now, Ladies and Gentleman, is providing Canon,
Nikon etc with cashflow for their R&D into the cameras we all
really want to have. That's not a bad thing, not at all, but we
must recognize this is where we are at.

4. Therefore, buy that camera that will serve your needs as closely
as possible today, in the here and now. Decide on the manufacturer
that you want to build a system around. It is much more than a
camera. As many of us know it is really the lenses that cost the
money! If you like Canon, go Canon. If you like Nikon go with them.
But make a conscious decision in that regard.

5. Enjoy what you have now and use it, use it, use it. Practice and
perfect now so that when the really good stuff comes along you will
be ready to take full advantage of it!

Personally, I plan on skipping a generation or two of DSLR's.
Despite its shortcomings my needs are met reasonbly well enough by
the d30. And I simply cannot afford to spend $2-5K every time Canon
brings out their new "best." As a very serious amateur I don't like
it- but I have to put up with it- because things like
transportation, kids clothes and a mortgage have to take priority.
But I really want.....

Thanks for your time...good luck!
Mike
 
I feel cameras should be upgraded the way computers should be.
What exactly does that mean? I have a PC that has been running well for 6 years. It is still doing exactly what I need which is to be used as a Web PC for visitors.

Often in the PC world we end up having to upgrade the hardware just to run the latest and greatest SW from Microsoft.

This would be equivalent to Canon requiring us to buy a new body every year to be compatible with the latest lens they come out with!
Basically, A camera should be upgraded if it does not take a
picture that you want to take.
Agree! Assuming it's the camera's fault...
If you can take the pictures you want to take, then there's no
reason you NEED to upgrade. But if you are missing picture
opportunities because your camera is inadequate, then that is imho
unacceptable.

Of course, there are other factors to think about, but imho that's
the bottom line.
  • Frank
--
Ian S
http://www.rainpalm.com
 
Or even better yet what software companies have known for years. Upgrading is the accepted norm. Every year they introduce the next dot numbered software or the x$86 chip. And it becomes the norm for the customers to buy into the never ending upgrade cycle. But once in a while you can stop and ask yourself... do I really need a 3 mHz P4 to run Word?

My 8086 does that just fine if I wanna just write a short story. Now, if I wanna burn a DVD, guess what... I'm gonna have to shell out...
 
Totally agree so am not arguing about the reasons why poeple upgrade.. same for what camera they buy ( many will lok at all the features and buy the camera with the most versus buying the camera which has the features they plan to use ). But the purpose of this post is to offer another perspective... if one buys a new DSLR reasonably soon after they come out, and say they pay $2000-2400 now.. in 18 months a new camera will be out, probably in the $1800-2400 range ( sort of like computers, the price stays fized but the features just increase ). So this same person decides he/she needs the newest and bestest.. ignoring fact their D60 still produces great 16x20 shots. So they pay the $2200 for the new and sell their D60 for $1200-1400 range. Makes the upgrade cost $800-1000. Is still a good bit of cash but not bad for having used the camera for 12-18 months and all the fun they have gotten with it. Those upgrading from CP950's to CP995s lost nearly half that amount..

Personally I think one should find the need for upgrade first, but that is just my thoughts for me. But one can make a case for the upgrade path.. sell the old camera while it is still worth something! Is also good for those who did not buy a DSLR at $2200 and maybe a year later can get a good used but clean D60 in the $1200 range!
I feel cameras should be upgraded the way computers should be.
Basically, A camera should be upgraded if it does not take a
picture that you want to take.
If the D60 can produce wonderful 16x20 prints today, it will keep
doing so. Cameras will come along with even less noise, even better
resolution, even better AF and the file size might still be smaller
for what I know.

But, once I get my D60 (monday), I will still keep my G1 around. Is
it as good as the D60 ? I think not. Have I printed 8x10s from my
G1 that are very good ? I think so.

Too many people (I think) upgrade cameras because a new one came
out. Not because they need a better one, but because it is there.
Same thing (kinda) with lenses. If you can't really notice the
different in the shooting you're doing, is there a need for an
upgrade ?

But, go ahead. Spend tons of money. The extra volume Canon gets on
all this equipment will mean lower prices. So I don't mind :)

-Geir
 
I started shooting with a Polaroid Swinger when I was about 12. K1000 after that. Started doing darkroom work about 10 years ago, went digital with a 990, moved to D30. Going to skip a couple of generations. Actually went Canon because Nikon didn't have a digital SLR in my range. Now, let's see some pics!
Hi all.

Since this forum tends to overflow with questions concerning the
timeliness of purchases vs. the next "best thing" I thought I would
post with my own take on the situation. As always these are my
opinions and you may or may not agree. I respect that and encourage
good dialog on the subject at hand.

First by way of information about me. I set up my first B&W
darkroom about 25 years ago when I was 13. It was great fun and
taught me tons about the art of photography. I can still remember
the joy when I went to NYC one day and bought my first SLR - a
Nikon FE from 47th st. photo. At the time it was the be-all and
end-all to my photographic needs.

I used the camera exclusively up until about 5 years ago when,
because I was expecting my first child, I decided to get with the
"modern age" of 35mm. I bought a canon elanII and some lenses for
about $800. It was to me the best gear I had ever used - and surely
I would use it forever.

Well needless to say it was still a film camera and I caught the
digital bug when I bought a coolpix 990. This digital thing was
revolutionary!!! How could you ever want more? This would be the
camera I would use for years and years!

Needless to say the old cp990 had some fatal flaws. The image
quality was super, but forget about quick focus. And forget about
sports, and, and...
So about 6 months later I decided to get a d30. I had never ever
imaged spending over two thousand dollars on a camera. That to me
is absurd. But I bought one. And absolutely loved it. I still do.
The image quality is stunning. But the camera has some fatal flaws.
AF is bad. At high ISO noise is bad. Etc. Etc. But I have learned
more about the art of photography since aquiring it than I had in
the past 15 years combined. And my results with the d30 are surely
the best I have ever had.

So as relates to "should I buy now...should I wait" my conclusions
are:

1. No digital camera you buy now will be your last. This is because
with digital there has been a fundamental paradigm shift. The
digi-cam is no longer an optical device. It is (only) a highly
sophisticated, incredibly complex computer that is dedicated to the
task of converting light waves into electronic, digital data. As
such the digi-cam has entered the (straight down) rollercoaster
known as obsolescence. No matter what or when you buy - you are
buying old. There are ALWAYS better things to come. The
manufacturers are already testing them! This is primarily because
unlike a film based camera your capture medium, the sensor, is
hardwired to the camera. With film there aren't really any major
advances to camera design left. It is the film that has been
changing, not the camera. With digital it is exactly the opposite.

2. In my experience I am not nor have I ever met anyone who is
entirely satisfied with their digital camera. Regardless of cost or
brand. Everyone has a gripe. And EVERYONE wants something better.
Period. This is because digital imaging is still in its infancy.
Such issues as exposure latitude, ISO noise,AF, color
interpolation, etc. will continue to be greatly improved upon in
the future. That is the nature of the electronic beast. And once
again its not simply a matter of changing from kodak max800 to fuji
press 800. You have to change the camera !

3. Based on the above conclusions what you and I are doing by
buying anything now, Ladies and Gentleman, is providing Canon,
Nikon etc with cashflow for their R&D into the cameras we all
really want to have. That's not a bad thing, not at all, but we
must recognize this is where we are at.

4. Therefore, buy that camera that will serve your needs as closely
as possible today, in the here and now. Decide on the manufacturer
that you want to build a system around. It is much more than a
camera. As many of us know it is really the lenses that cost the
money! If you like Canon, go Canon. If you like Nikon go with them.
But make a conscious decision in that regard.

5. Enjoy what you have now and use it, use it, use it. Practice and
perfect now so that when the really good stuff comes along you will
be ready to take full advantage of it!

Personally, I plan on skipping a generation or two of DSLR's.
Despite its shortcomings my needs are met reasonbly well enough by
the d30. And I simply cannot afford to spend $2-5K every time Canon
brings out their new "best." As a very serious amateur I don't like
it- but I have to put up with it- because things like
transportation, kids clothes and a mortgage have to take priority.
But I really want.....

Thanks for your time...good luck!
Mike
 
I feel cameras should be upgraded the way computers should be.
What exactly does that mean? I have a PC that has been running
well for 6 years. It is still doing exactly what I need which is
to be used as a Web PC for visitors.
That's my point. That computer does what you need it to do. There is very little point in upgrading it. It doesn't matter that a new wiz bang graphics card or Pentium 12 processor came out. You are happy with your computer.

Now on the other hand say some fancy new game comes out and you find that your computer is too slow to play it, but you want to. NOW it is time to ugprade.
Often in the PC world we end up having to upgrade the hardware just
to run the latest and greatest SW from Microsoft.
Yeah, but who says you need to upgrade your OS anyway? Even these days Win98 SE will runs most everything just fine.
This would be equivalent to Canon requiring us to buy a new body
every year to be compatible with the latest lens they come out with!
No, because most software still runs with the old OSes.
Basically, A camera should be upgraded if it does not take a
picture that you want to take.
Agree! Assuming it's the camera's fault...
Yah, it's very easy to blame things on the camera....

Of course all of the above is just my opinion. However I find an interseting comparison with: 1) someone who buys a fancy digicam and uses 10% of the features 'cause they just want a simple point and shoot and 2) Someone who buys some monster PC and uses it only for web surfing and e-mail.
  • Frank
 
If the D60 can produce wonderful 16x20 prints today, it will keep
doing so. Cameras will come along with even less noise, even better
resolution, even better AF and the file size might still be smaller
for what I know.
Yah, but I can envision a time where I want to upgrade to something with far better low light focusing, for one thing. For now I am happy, but wait till I miss out on some pictures. :)
Too many people (I think) upgrade cameras because a new one came
out. Not because they need a better one, but because it is there.
Yeah, big time.
  • Frank
 
I started shooting with a Polaroid Swinger when I was about 12.
K1000 after that. Started doing darkroom work about 10 years ago,
went digital with a 990, moved to D30. Going to skip a couple of
generations. Actually went Canon because Nikon didn't have a
digital SLR in my range. Now, let's see some pics!
Stephen-

Haven't done anything to the web for a while, but here are a few things from last year:

http://www.pbase.com/mk/christmas_2001

Also myself and a friend did the photography for my company's site:

http://www.CandKpunches.com

Mike
 

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