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G11 circled by MFT and APS-C compacts, flaming arrows, G11 out gunned...

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AlexZN said:
Here is my position- you cannot have you cake and eat it. You cannot have a small camera with huge zoom range and great IQ, it is a fantasy, so you need to chooe one of the two.
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Actually, you're wrong, you can. You can choose to give up something else instead - lens speed.
alexzn said:
I choose a small camera with great IQ, you choose a small camera with large zoom range. Different compromises.
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You chose a medium-sized camera with good IQ and no range. I chose a medium-sized camera with lower IQ, tons of range but that is much slower (light gathering). I also chose a small camera with lower IQ, some range, but slower yet. The EP1 is not a small camera even with a pancake. It's bigger than a G-series because it doesn't fold flat when in storage. And the G-series is too big to be routinely pocketable (I know - I have a G7).
alexzn said:
One last remark- you don't know lousy ergonomics until you shoot with Sigma DP1, all your Canon gear spoiled you;-) So don't call Olympus ergonomics lousy, it actually handles pretty well and I can even set it exactly as I set my 5D, with one dial controlling aperture and another exposure compensation. I like that. The only wish is for the back wheel to be a bit harder to turn, but that's nitpicking...
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That's user interface, not ergonomics. Ergonomics means comfort - like as in a grip that fits your hand. I don't see what people see in these little gripless boxes.

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What a daft discussion this whole thread is.

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Well argued. I will probably buy GF1 or EP2 instead of G11. I have G10. Everything is almost excellent with G10 except the IQ, unfortunately.
 
How do you sell your G10 and for what price? I have never sell anything and I want to sell my G10 to buy GF1.

Thanks.
 
Surprised by how close in size they are.

 
Glen Barrington said:
The G11 has an 'honest to God' viewfinder. And for me, that makes a BIG difference.
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I like the option of a view finder.

Sure the optical viewfinder gets blocked a bit and isn't 100%, but, it's nice having that option of being able to hold the camera up to your eye. Keeps people behind you from getting an annoying glare of an LCD in their face. I always found that the most annoying thing about camcorder people.

Also, the ability to save battery power by turning off the LCD and going with an optical view finder can be very valuable when you find yourself in the situation where you are down to your last battery and need to shoot as much as possible.

It's a pity that the GF-1's optional EVF is so expensive.
 
Or just plain silly comparisions.

Lets see, the G11 is $499, even with a waterproof enclsure is still

If the IQ lives up to the claims and previews, it will be a very successful camera

The Panasonic is $899 with one lens. The MFT system, and that is what it is, requires another investment for any array of lenses

It is a nice camers/system and I have given it some thought, but I would rather get a P&S
The Lieca is $1999 with its default lens. This is just a high end toy for many.

I can get a 7D + spare batteries & grip and have a real camera with some serious capability, functionality & IQ

They are serving completelydifferent market segments, NOT eve close.

The OP clearly is in the minority on how he selects his camera, equips & uses them. To disclaim filters & do-dads makes it sound like he has a very limited view of things photographic. Nothing wrong with it other than a bit of myopia that everyone else would see it his way.

Dan

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Can't argue with that.
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holding out for a high quality FF compact...
 
I haven't had a Canon compact in a while now, last one was when the SD870IS was the hottest thing. I've always had a thing for the Canon G series, had G2 and G3 when they were the state of the art (and like $800 apiece!) The G7/G9/G10 were major turnoff for me. In the past year all my compacts have been Panasonics. Panasonic sure has come a long way in the past 2 years, while Canon seemed to like to hold back on features (and still does).

That G11 is looking very good to me, swivel screen at last. The 10MP output looks excellent from the samples posted here on DPR, ISO1600 looks great, even 3200 is very good. Everything looks great, and then of course Canon decided to hold back in the video department.

I'm looking to totally do away with bulky DSLR. Looking for that elusive single smallish device that can do it all. Not necessarily the ultimate in quality in all areas, but good enough results in package that I will carry with me at all times. Even the GF1 with the zoom lens mounted is not all that small (can't squeeze into my jeans). I can SQUEEZE the GF1/pancake in my jeans pocket (didn't say comfortably).

I so wanted that G11 to be that device. The stills output definitely looks good enough. The swivel screen is great for taking videos. But no HD video. Yes HD video is a requirement here even though admittedly I don't do videos all that much. It seems Canon is headed in the right direction. Maybe the G12.

PS I forgot about the SX1. I paid top dollars for a Japanese SX1 before it became available here. In the end it was too big to be a compact and I hardly used it.

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Has Panny improved the Venus engine?

No more waterfall-like images at high ISO's that has plagued the Panny's?
andye53 said:
I haven't had a Canon compact in a while now, last one was when the SD870IS was the hottest thing. I've always had a thing for the Canon G series, had G2 and G3 when they were the state of the art (and like $800 apiece!) The G7/G9/G10 were major turnoff for me. In the past year all my compacts have been Panasonics. Panasonic sure has come a long way in the past 2 years, while Canon seemed to like to hold back on features (and still does).
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Bright and clear with tons of eye relief. Beats the pants off the tiny Canon porthole VF any day.
 
Well, you could do that. But the GF-1 without the lens will be useful only for keeping your jacket pocket down; you can't take pictures that way (no lens). For me, I'd rather have the GF-1 (with OVF & 14-45 lens) but can't really afford it. I tend to throw my walk-around camera into my backpack anyway, so pocket-size isn't a requirement. Trouble is, I can't afford the US$1100, as opposed to US500 or so for a G11.
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bjmike said:
Well, you could do that. But the GF-1 without the lens will be useful only for keeping your jacket pocket down; you can't take pictures that way (no lens).
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True. But the body fits one pocket, the smaller lens surely another (even a third party OVF or the OEM EVF could go into that other pocket too). And you have a camera in your pocket because you're not using it anyway. Around your neck, the extra size of that pancake won't bother anyone. That said, putting on that lens takes time. Altough it's only a matter of seconds and if you want your camera ready for action, it will be around your neck most of the time anyway. For portability (purse, pocket, small bag), there doesn't seem to be much between these 2 as displayed.
 
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