The only reason your D300 shows less "red noise" is that Nikon filters the chroma noise themselves. I do hope you realize that.
Lame, the 16-85 VR? Then show me a better Canon for the same price.
Now that's a lens that sucks in every aspect, except build quality.
Yes, true, the Canon is much better and the Nikkor is overpriced.
Agreed.
Huh?? Apart from the IS I can't see where the Canon is better. Anyway the image stabilization at such small FLs is not a big advantage.
LOL. More reach does make it better? The 70-200 have less reach, so they must be worse than the 55-250 IS...
Yup.
Of course they are
Me too. There too much equality in both systems to worth a discussion. Unless you're a pro and too picky.
I agree with you. Both cameras are fine to hold, both very ergonomic (I always liked the xxD line but hated the xxxD one). At the end of the day it will always be about personal taste.
That's why I didn't agree with brightcolors. I have played with both cameras and I found that the 50D was quicker to lock focus, even in low light, but the D300 had much better precision at AF continuous tracking.
The 7D is promising, Canon must have a new sensor technology ormuch different image processing. I like the IQ, it's not FF quality but is good enough for cruel cropping! If the continuous AF is as good as the D300's, then it will be a bomb.
Why? You really have a hard time grasping things? It is just a lame consumer zoom! with all its downsides. Barrel distortion, ugly bokeh, does not open enough to be useful at the longer end. Why would I care if the Canon EF_S 15-85 IS USM is better or not? It also is a lame consumer zoom lens that can not be seen as a bench mark for Canon lens design, either.
Yes, and who cares? Like I said above, they are just lame consumer zoom lenses, and i was only setting things straight, that Canon only now came up with an equivalent. It was Nikon who came up with an equivalent for the Canon, and Canon replaces its old lens with a new one. What is wrong with you, why can you never "get" posts?
You don't have to agree. But the Canon is quite a bit cheaper. It has IS (and IS at standard zoom range is helpful, for instance in museums). And it also does not have the contrast loss and slight resolution loss the Nikon has. Does that mean the Nikon is not a good lens? No, to me it just means the Canon is better, at least in 3 points.
Lets choose. A lens with more reach for the same. With very good optical qualities, not worse. Nah, why would more for the same equal better?
So we basically agree, only you fail to get what my reply replies to, at times.Yup.
Of course they are
Me too. There too much equality in both systems to worth a discussion. Unless you're a pro and too picky.
You can say I "basically" agree with you regarding this lens discussion.
). You seemed to be fanatic.You never asked me WHY I say the ergonomics are better. And yes, my 450D DOES AF in the dark very well (and fast) with an f2.8 or faster lens, it really does beat a D300 in low light AF. What can i do about that?You can say I "basically" agree with you regarding this lens discussion.
But not about other things, such as 50D AF vs. D300 AF, ergonomics. Some arguments you posted are silly to say the least (like your 450D to beat the D300, and Canon ergonomics better than Nikon's
Misinformed then.
Not sure what D300 you played with but certainly not the one I used in a shooting day. You should admit that the 450D sucks in the dark compared with the D300. I used them both... Perhaps you played with the D300 and let's say... a Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 in low light?You never asked me WHY I say the ergonomics are better. And yes, my 450D DOES AF in the dark very well (and fast) with an f2.8 or faster lens, it really does beat a D300 in low light AF. What can i do about that?You can say I "basically" agree with you regarding this lens discussion.
But not about other things, such as 50D AF vs. D300 AF, ergonomics. Some arguments you posted are silly to say the least (like your 450D to beat the D300, and Canon ergonomics better than Nikon's
Well, I don't like the D50 menus too much but only because the resolution is poor and the characters are too big, therefore I have to scroll up and down frequently. For instance, the D90 or D300 menus are superb, characters are way smaller, resolution is way better, so you can be quicker accessing what you want.
No way. To access the front dial I use the medium finger or even the index finger, there's no preference. Why do you have to keep your index finger on the shutter while changing the aperture with the front dial anyway?
ISO is quickly changeable even if you're looking through the viewfinder. Just press ISO button with the left thumb and use the rear dial with the right thumb. Do Canons have a faster way to select ISO? I prefer the Nikon approach, but that's just me. WB and JPEG/RAW settings work the same way.
I agree. I don't like to handle those babies as well.
You never asked me WHY I say the ergonomics are better. And yes, my 450D DOES AF in the dark very well (and fast) with an f2.8 or faster lens, it really does beat a D300 in low light AF. What can i do about that?You can say I "basically" agree with you regarding this lens discussion.
But not about other things, such as 50D AF vs. D300 AF, ergonomics. Some arguments you posted are silly to say the least (like your 450D to beat the D300, and Canon ergonomics better than Nikon's
Anyway... about the ergonomics. The Canon menu structure is quite a bit better, ergonomically speaking. It is learned faster, it is grouped more or less more logically, and most of all, you do not have to scroll and search all the time.
Yes, when you are used to one, the other will seem daunting, no matter which way you look. but really, objectively seen, the Canon menus of the modern DSLR models are better, ergonomically.
Then there is the placement of the main controls. The Canon shutter button location is pretty optimal, a natural position of the index finger. The index finger naturally moves effortlessly towards the thumb, you feel a bit of strain the other way around (towards middle finger). The position of the front dial of the Canon bodies is quite ideal, in this respect. The Nikon front dial position makes for either a cramped position of the index finger, or worse, some say it is designed for the middle finger.
If you use your index finger, you will notice that from normal comfortable grip you actually have to shift your grip a bit to operate the front dial (try it).
The deep position of both wheels in Nikon bodies also makes operating them less than ergonomic.
Placement of ISO, AF-on/AE lock, AF point selection is all very easily reached on most Canon bodies.
The ONLY valid quibble I have read from Nikon-has-better-ergonomics proponents is the placement of the DOF button. And the lack of mirror lock up button (but at least every Canon DSLR has mirror lock up).
Misinformed then.
ergonomics |ˌərgəˈnämiks|
plural noun [treated as sing. ]
the study of people's efficiency in their working environment.
(it really is not about the hobby-horse of Nikon-has-better-ergonomics proponents about the size of the grip. And actually... in reality the grip from the "digital rebel" series is bigger than the Nikon D40/60/3000 grips, which are so short I have two fingers under the camera).
Can't wait to get mine hopefully tommorow. Nikon does not have a "direct print" button.
