True, but thats something that ""brand patriots "" find impossible to accept...PS The 7D hasnt been thoroughly reviewed yet... This forum will burst its seams if it only gets a "just recommended" or anything negative about 18mp on a crop camera 
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EOS 7D versus Nikon D300S
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Jose Rocha
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It's stupid to compare AF performace of D300 and 7D since the 7D isn't even out there, but boy, to claim that the 50D beats the D300 in tracking with continuous shooting is stupider. LOL
Oh boy... LOLOL
I can't believe in it... you even bother comparing ergonomics as well!! Isn't ergonomics of personal experience and taste?
You're a silly fanboy. Period.
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ovrebekk
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So good lenses from Nikon doesn't count if you are not interested in them?
Both Nikon and Canon have their strengths/weaknesses when it comes to lenses. You will find lenses in both brands that doesn't have a direct competitor from the other.
kishor katti
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You're a silly fanboy. Period.
My first SLR is Canon 400D Then I switch to Nikon. Canon 50D is very good SLR but Nikon's 51 AF system is best avaible in market. We should wait to release 7D & prove it's performance. I hope 19 cross type sensor will do remarkble job. If 7D performance prove equel or better than D300S then Nikon will forced to reduce its prices of SLR & Lenses which will benificial to all Nikon user
Another birder
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Im not disputing your claim - but can you point to quantitative measurements that would back this up? And what do you mean by 'better' exactly? I recently had an 'AF off' with a friend of mine who has a D700 just for kicks. We where in low light conditions. while my 40D was faster, it took three shots before the Canon actually nailed the focus, while the d700 hunted more, it actually got it right the first time.
In my eyes this is a win for the Nikon
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You're giving a biased opinion without any proof. That isn't what you said. You should have said: AF: wait until the 7D is available. (and that's all)
greg mclemore102171
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Either one would be great
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I see this like a so typical Nikon user comment who has not even touched these Canon cameras. Lots and lots of very sharp images has been taken with 5D2 and 50D, showing resolution most of the Nikon users (with the exception of the damm expensive D3X owners) can only dream of.
I think they as at least as relevant than the pixel peeped noise debates or DxOmark results. Studio images are usually at least full images, and necessarily not small stamp size crops.
1. How large is the dynamic range of a D300 with ISO 200 in your opinion?
2. How large DR do you expect from the 7D with ISO 200?
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brightcolours
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Lenses PARTICULARLY targeted at full frame indeed do not really count, when we are talking about an APS-C camera.
ijustloveshooting
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i'm sure dpreview will say this is a noisy camera, worse IQ than nikond5000/d90/d300s like they did with eos450d and eos500d...... This forum will burst its seams if it only gets a "just recommended" or anything negative about 18mp on a crop camera
brightcolours
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Ever tried it? No? Every cared to read up on it? No? Silly nikon fanboy.
Ever tried it? No? Ever cared to read up on it? No? Solly Nikon fanboy.Oh boy... LOLOL
Ergonomics mostly is a science, not about taste. That YOU seem to be used to Nikon has little to do with ergonomics. The placement of controls, the shape of controls, the menu structure, the ease of use, that all is way less a personal taste issue than you like to make it out to be.
And yes, arguably Canon is better in these areas.
And yes, I did respond to a post. How weird!
You are the silly one, really.
brightcolours
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I did mention the 50D. Its AF system is less temperamental than that of the 40D. (even the AF of my 450D seems to be less temperamental (with the right lens)).Im not disputing your claim - but can you point to quantitative measurements that would back this up? And what do you mean by 'better' exactly? I recently had an 'AF off' with a friend of mine who has a D700 just for kicks. We where in low light conditions. while my 40D was faster, it took three shots before the Canon actually nailed the focus, while the d700 hunted more, it actually got it right the first time.
In my eyes this is a win for the Nikon
actually I find at least for lanscape orientation, the XXD / 7D now series ergonomics to be far superior as far as hand positioning and control layout.
you're never really supposed to move your left hand to make an instant change, and with everything adjustable from the right hand position and the "rare" changes involving the left hand .. you always have your lens supported and can continually make changes on the fly without adjusting your grip on the camera.
most other bodies (canon 1 series as well) force a "two handed" adjustment approach too often for my liking.
now with the reprogrammable DOF button, and the m-fn botton, that camera can change so much without moving your hands.
which IMO - is a successful ergonomic concept.
not to mention the very well implemented C1-3 (or 2 on the 50D) .. which controlls all functions .. not just some (some settings are not stored in nikon's custom banks) and a very clean menu layout .. which is also ergonomics .. user interface design - which most people tend to agree that nikon's simply need a major overhaul on that department.
so this "ergonomic" superiority is simply an internet myth that keeps on cropping up .. has really for the last 5 years .. when that's really the only thing nikon bodies had purportedly going for them .. "well, ergonomically it's better!" .. far be it, AF, and IQ .. but hey, the ergo myth had to start somewhere...
Jose Rocha
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If I ever tried it? Yes. If I ever read? Yes, mostly on this forum. Many people have sold their beloved 50D and went for the D300 BECAUSE OF THE AF. You can check the Nikon forum if you want.
Oh please... don't insult other people's intelligence, FANBOY!Ever tried it? No? Ever cared to read up on it? No? Solly Nikon fanboy.Oh boy... LOLOL
I'm not trying to convince anyone that Nikon has the best ergonomics. But YOU are. Read my lips: I said that YOU were being stupid because YOU were saying that Canon has the best ergonomics, which is... BS. Did you already hold a D90? D300? D700? D50 even? Do you like an EOS 400D better? Let me laugh a little...
I'm not a fanboy by any means (I have a Canon film SLR). When I read posts like yours I can't resist to comment.
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Jose Rocha
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More expensive, and the 17-55 has no VR. He said that Nikon offers a better choice, not just equivalent (and more expensive).
Having used both the 50D and the D300 as well as D300s and D700. I can easily say I like the grip/feel of the 50D better, however, I prefer the button layout and general ease of use in changing settings from the Nikons better.
For autofocus, I could say with absolute certainty that the D300 performed better when tracking Birds in flight and moving targets, I somehow felt that in good lighting the 50D was quicker to lock focus.
The noise characterisitcs of the 50D were a real turnoff, I hate the red noise pattern I got from the 50D and I dont like to apply too much NR in post, so this was a deal breaker for me.
So while the 7d doesnt fix the button layout to my liking, I didn't much care for the 15Mpixels from the 50D, the only thing that might swing my favor towards the 7D over the D300s is the autofocus and the high iso noise. Lets see what some real tests show when the camera is out
For autofocus, I could say with absolute certainty that the D300 performed better when tracking Birds in flight and moving targets, I somehow felt that in good lighting the 50D was quicker to lock focus.
The noise characterisitcs of the 50D were a real turnoff, I hate the red noise pattern I got from the 50D and I dont like to apply too much NR in post, so this was a deal breaker for me.
So while the 7d doesnt fix the button layout to my liking, I didn't much care for the 15Mpixels from the 50D, the only thing that might swing my favor towards the 7D over the D300s is the autofocus and the high iso noise. Lets see what some real tests show when the camera is out
I am shooting with both brand (D300 not D300S) and found that statement pretty amazing.
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