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Brian Mackey said:
R, does it have pc cord connection? Jono slack bought one also.. No
delare here has one yet
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My understanding is that Jono bought it for its size for travel rather than carry his D1X/lenses. Of course, he may come on and give you his reasoning. However--I would suspect that it is easier to use one conversion software, etc. rather than dealing with several. The 5700, from the specs I have read (I haven't actually seen one either), is quite a bit smaller than the E10 and better as a quite portable cam for his use.

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Diane B
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me
 
Diane B said:
My understanding is that Jono bought it for its size for travel
rather than carry his D1X/lenses. Of course, he may come on and
give you his reasoning. However--I would suspect that it is easier
to use one conversion software, etc. rather than dealing with
several. The 5700, from the specs I have read (I haven't actually
seen one either), is quite a bit smaller than the E10 and better as
a quite portable cam for his use.

--
Diane B
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me
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Oh yes, the 5700 IS smaller and lighter than the E-10/20. It's got it's pluses and minuses just like any other camera. Some things that I didn't like about it was that the function buttons on the left side if the lens barrel could easily accidentally be activated. Another thing was the LCD. I loved it's twisting function but I hated the way you had to review a picture. If you pressed the QUICK button, the image would come up in the EVF. If you wanted to view it in the LCD, you had to press the SELECT button to route it there. If you wanted to resume taking shots, you had to rer-route the image back to the EVF again. For me, the slow AF and poor indoor performance really kept me from keeping it. In shooting a pic of my daughter sitting by a window, I had to set the 5700's ISO at 200 just to get a shutter speed that I thought I might be able to get a handhold shot. I left the E-10's ISO at 80 and got a faster shutter speed. Here's the link to the resulting shots... (there's a couple from the Fuji S602 in there too)
http://www.pbase.com/terry_thorn/test_pics

The image quality is great but not really any better than my E-10. I shot both cameras at the same resolution (1600x1200) just to test this out. My E-10 actually got a teensy bit more detail than the 5700 did. One thing I did find odd between the two shots is that there was a red pickup truck in them. In the E-10 shot, you can see the blue of the sky reflected in the fenders but not in the 5700 shot. It's just rendered as lighter shades of red. Hmmm. Anyway, I decided to just stick to my E-10/C2100UZ combo. I think my wife has set her sights on my E-10 though. We'll be leaving soon to go to an arboretum so she can try to retake the shots she missed last week when the compactflash she was using failed.
 
Hi Thorn,

I have to respectfully disagree with your comparison of the E10/CP5700.

The E10's resolution is about average for a 4MP camera, while the the CP5700 is above average for a 5MP camera, so natrually the 5700 will be able to pull out more detail. Ok, resolution is settled. Now as for dynamic range, I would agree that the E10 has greater dynamic range then the 5700 which has a suicidal tendency to blow out highlights in bright sunny shots. Color accuracy is about the same, but the E10 may have the edge at times.

Now compared to the E20N it's a little different. The E20N has excellent resolution, under the F707, but better then the CP5700! The E20N does better in color accuracy, and dynamic range, not bad for a only "Recomended" camera ; )

On a side note, there are two opinions regarding the E10/E20. Some feel the E10 has a greater tonal range. While we can argue that out until the cows come home, I disagree, but will at least admit if there is a difference it is so slight besides the greater resolution power of the E20 more then makes up for it. There is enough differnce in resolution between the E10 & E20 to justify the upgrade. E10, average res for 4MP, E20 above average res for 5MP, both have excellent dynamic range closely resembling the D30/60.

I rate the CP5700 as recomended, it would have been Highly recomended IF it had better AF, and MF. It would also have been nice if it had a dedicated hotshoe, and AF assist lamp. Nevertheless, the CP5700 image quality is still remarkable and certainly impressive. That and it's compact size and 8x zoom lens makes it a very tempting package.

Best Regards!
Jim K
Terry Thorn said:
Diane B said:
My understanding is that Jono bought it for its size for travel
rather than carry his D1X/lenses. Of course, he may come on and
give you his reasoning. However--I would suspect that it is easier
to use one conversion software, etc. rather than dealing with
several. The 5700, from the specs I have read (I haven't actually
seen one either), is quite a bit smaller than the E10 and better as
a quite portable cam for his use.

--
Diane B
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me
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Oh yes, the 5700 IS smaller and lighter than the E-10/20. It's got
it's pluses and minuses just like any other camera. Some things
that I didn't like about it was that the function buttons on the
left side if the lens barrel could easily accidentally be
activated. Another thing was the LCD. I loved it's twisting
function but I hated the way you had to review a picture. If you
pressed the QUICK button, the image would come up in the EVF. If
you wanted to view it in the LCD, you had to press the SELECT
button to route it there. If you wanted to resume taking shots, you
had to rer-route the image back to the EVF again. For me, the slow
AF and poor indoor performance really kept me from keeping it. In
shooting a pic of my daughter sitting by a window, I had to set the
5700's ISO at 200 just to get a shutter speed that I thought I
might be able to get a handhold shot. I left the E-10's ISO at 80
and got a faster shutter speed. Here's the link to the resulting
shots... (there's a couple from the Fuji S602 in there too)
http://www.pbase.com/terry_thorn/test_pics
The image quality is great but not really any better than my E-10.
I shot both cameras at the same resolution (1600x1200) just to test
this out. My E-10 actually got a teensy bit more detail than the
5700 did. One thing I did find odd between the two shots is that
there was a red pickup truck in them. In the E-10 shot, you can see
the blue of the sky reflected in the fenders but not in the 5700
shot. It's just rendered as lighter shades of red. Hmmm. Anyway, I
decided to just stick to my E-10/C2100UZ combo. I think my wife has
set her sights on my E-10 though. We'll be leaving soon to go to an
arboretum so she can try to retake the shots she missed last week
when the compactflash she was using failed.
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--
Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
 
Jim K said:
Hi Thorn,

I have to respectfully disagree with your comparison of the
E10/CP5700.
The E10's resolution is about average for a 4MP camera, while the
the CP5700 is above average for a 5MP camera, so natrually the 5700
will be able to pull out more detail. Ok, resolution is settled.
Now as for dynamic range, I would agree that the E10 has greater
dynamic range then the 5700 which has a suicidal tendency to blow
out highlights in bright sunny shots. Color accuracy is about the
same, but the E10 may have the edge at times.
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Would you like to see the actual shots before you come to your conclusion? I actually had to set the 5700's sharpening setting to HIGH to get it closer to my E-10's sharpening at NORMAL. I'd be happy to email them to anyone who'd care to see for themselves. Just email me a request. They are about 5MB each.
 
My guess is Phil compared the E-20 to the 707 at the time because they both are using the same sensor. The sensor was new at the time and the comparison seemed needed.

I have a question too. Why do most folks in these forums think that TTL is a designation for optical viewfinders only? TTL means "Through The Lens" and nothing more. EVFs are TTL,as are LCDs. Granted, most of the time (except in VERY dark places) an optical viewfinder is the way to go (I love that aspect of my E-20).

I just feel a distinction should be made between optical TTL and Electronic TTL. I find both infinitely more useful than rangefinder style viewfinders. BTW I really like the Oly setup with the E series as there is absolute silence with no mirror slap! The small amount of light rolloff is worth it for me.
Best,
Robert
 
Robert P Miller said:
My guess is Phil compared the E-20 to the 707 at the time because
they both are using the same sensor. The sensor was new at the time
and the comparison seemed needed.
I have a question too. Why do most folks in these forums think that
TTL is a designation for optical viewfinders only? TTL means
"Through The Lens" and nothing more. EVFs are TTL,as are LCDs.
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Actually I'd have to say that they are not really TTL, but rather TTS, thru the sensor. Where as the Exx's are actually thru the lens AND thru the sensor. Viewing thru the viewfinder provides true SLR viewing thanks to a split prism that splits the image and sends it to the viewfinder and to the sensor. The LCD monitor provides thru the sensor. So you get both worlds with the Exx. And of course no matter how good EVF's or LCD monitors are, they can not come close to the quality of optical. It's really nice to have both available for you. With the Exx you could view thru the LCD monitor and see the effects of ISO changes before you take a picture. With the 707 you can see the effects of exposure changes before you take the picture. There are definitely pros & cons for both, so having both is a great advantage. It seems the merely only "Recomended" Exx's are the only models at this time that has both. In this respect the Exx is more like a DSLR or TTL then the 707. I can certainly understand peoples confusion, and when you throw in such a remarkable and unique Exx in the picture, it gets even more confusing. Oly did a nice job indeed. I personally think such quality and engineering accomplishments deserve more then a merely "Recomended" review. BTW, it was Sony who was the first to introduce this type of camera (4 years ago?), the D700 followed by the D770. Pity they never followed up on it.

Regards!
Jim K
Member said:
Granted, most of the time (except in VERY dark places) an optical
viewfinder is the way to go (I love that aspect of my E-20).
I just feel a distinction should be made between optical TTL and
Electronic TTL. I find both infinitely more useful than rangefinder
style viewfinders. BTW I really like the Oly setup with the E
series as there is absolute silence with no mirror slap! The small
amount of light rolloff is worth it for me.
Best,
Robert
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Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
 
Name dropper!!!!!! :-) and wow am I jealous! Curt
Jim K said:
rglass said:
I bought it for its size and zoom...I made myself use it for three
weeks
without touching my E-20...I got my E-20 out yesterday and I have
never
missed a camera so much..there is on comparison at all...The
viewfinder
alone is worth the differance in price and image out of E-20 is
superior also

The Nikon is a good throw around and carry camera but don't compare
to the E-20

Robert Glass

Also never seen a camera focus as slow as Nikon...In trying to get
marco shots of insects the insects die of old age before it focus
or they
fly away
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Pretty funny! I have a CP5700 too, and I agree the AF speed is up
there with paint drying & insects dying in low contrast or low
light. However in bright sunny days it is a lot of fun to use, and
where I disagree with you is the image quality is simply excellent,
but the resolution is indeed just below the E20. I bought the 5700
for it's size and weight. I don't regret it, but if that was my
only camera I might. I took 1000 pictures with it the first week,
after that I'm back to using my F707, UZI, and yes, even my trusty
old E20!

Regards!
Jim K

--
Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
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Terry Thorn said:
rglass said:
already have two uzi's and your right they do exceed there 2meg
quailty....well I really have only one my wife took one and want give
it back
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I got an UZI for my wife last Christmas and now she's eyeing my
E-10! I think I've created a monster.
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Go get yourself a E20 or the upcoming DSLR and give the E10 to her as a gift. It will work. William :)
 
Terry I have emailed you to send me samples, am still waiting : )

Regards
Terry Thorn said:
Jim K said:
Hi Thorn,

I have to respectfully disagree with your comparison of the
E10/CP5700.
The E10's resolution is about average for a 4MP camera, while the
the CP5700 is above average for a 5MP camera, so natrually the 5700
will be able to pull out more detail. Ok, resolution is settled.
Now as for dynamic range, I would agree that the E10 has greater
dynamic range then the 5700 which has a suicidal tendency to blow
out highlights in bright sunny shots. Color accuracy is about the
same, but the E10 may have the edge at times.
Click to expand...
Would you like to see the actual shots before you come to your
conclusion? I actually had to set the 5700's sharpening setting to
HIGH to get it closer to my E-10's sharpening at NORMAL. I'd be
happy to email them to anyone who'd care to see for themselves.
Just email me a request. They are about 5MB each.
Click to expand...
--
Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
 
Jim K said:
Terry I have emailed you to send me samples, am still waiting : )

Regards
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Well, Jim, I've been out for the better part of the day and I tried to email the files to you but it seems they won't fit in your mailbox. Clean it out and I'll try again. What's the max size you can handle?
 
Can you put them some where for me to grab?
Terry Thorn said:
Jim K said:
Terry I have emailed you to send me samples, am still waiting : )

Regards
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Well, Jim, I've been out for the better part of the day and I tried
to email the files to you but it seems they won't fit in your
mailbox. Clean it out and I'll try again. What's the max size you
can handle?
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--
Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
 
Thanks for the thoughts Jim. I feel the same as you.

I like your designation Through The Sensor as that more accuratly describes the electronic portion of EVFs and LCDs. I REALLY hope Olympus and a few others would continue on the pelical(SP) mirror optical view finder approach. To me, this alone was worth the extra money I paid for the E-20 over my 707. By the same token, I love live LCD view and the ability to see exposure changes TTS as I do them. It is a bit easier to do on the 707 as Sony has developed a finer view and review LCD.

I still love much on both these cameras and have given my dad the E-20, Lipo/Battery grip and my Metz setup . At 72 he is enjoying finaly having total control over his photoghraphy. His Nikon 8008 lies fallow in a bag. But I digress......

I may be adding a D-60 to the roster soon. We'll see what the Photo shows promise and if companies will actually act on their vaporware thoughts (Foveon anyone,......... ok, give them time.......)
Best,
Robert
 
Gerald M. Payne said:
I'd say, "Quick, marry her!", but since you've already thought of
that... ;-)
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Jerry is funny with his wife eyeing his camera. I think my wifes K1000 days are limited too, she has used my E10 several times to create her florals, has sold some of them even, and she would never think to do this with anything but her K1000 ( I bought that new for her in the late 70s) in the past. I know the day is coming, where she suggests that perhaps she too should have a digital camera !!! And she won't want anything less than an E10 or E20, she cringed when I tried out the CP5000 .

Good to see the humor around here though,
David
 
Gee -

I read the E20 review very carefully..... By the time I got to the end of it I had to agree with Phil's "recomended but Expensive at the price".

It would seem Phil had more trouble with the focus system than he had with the 5700 especially with the inconsistencies.

I find the 5700 focuses quite speedily up to about 5X zoom. After this it needs more light to produce the same quick results. But then thats exactly what I would expect.
Do you think the E20 would perform better if it could go to 8X? I doubt it.

I have exactly the same problems focusing with My EOS 50. Put a bigger zoom lens on and focusing becomes a problem.

I havent used a E20 so I'm just being guided by Phils review.

Fred Stanvic
 
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