Poster of DSC-717

Howdy · Aug 31, 2002

ZipperZ said:
we'll all have to wait until FALL 2003 for a real successor or
possibly a DSLR. I just cant see Sony sittng on their hands and not
utilizing their 6MP CCD themselves rather than just allowing Nikon
to use in their D100.

More and more, the camera seems to be falling in line with Sony tradition. An incremental change, with some nice updates, but nothing huge. Just enough to keep the camera from being 'old,' so that it remains a good new camera purchase. I think your right, the 'full-step' upgrade comes next year. Marketing wise, I think Sony is doing it right with the F-series. Early adopters don't feel cheated. New consumers have a camera worth buying. And for the rich, now a bad upgrade.
Bet we see some 707s start hitting e-bay soon.

Howdy

jeff-c · Aug 31, 2002

Howdy said:
More and more, the camera seems to be falling in line with Sony
tradition. An incremental change, with some nice updates, but
nothing huge. Just enough to keep the camera from being 'old,' so
that it remains a good new camera purchase.

I think I know where the name of F717 comes from:

version 1.1 of the F707

Sony did the same thing with the original F505 if I remember correctly.

David Barker91965 · Aug 31, 2002

curtner said:
I think I know where the name of F717 comes from:

version 1.1 of the F707

Sounds likely.

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ZipperZ · Aug 31, 2002

Ulysses said:
Keep in mind that what Sony Semiconductor MAKES really has very
little to do with what Sony Electronics and Sony Digital Imaging
actually use. They buy their stuff from Sony Semi, just like anyone
else (well, not just like anyone else, but you know what I mean).

i know what you mean : )

Member said:
I honestly don't see them ever using that chip. It's just not their
market. And they're not going to use it just because they have it
and somehow need to protect their reputation. Their reputation has
always been staked on the larger middle section of the bell curve,
not on the fringes of it.

Theres a lot of things that are not "supposed" to be Sonys market (cell phones, home phones, VHS, car audio components) but Sony seems to like to venture into these areas to test themselves and their brand recognition and customer loyality. Some have succeeded and some have failed. Though Sony has had great success in the pro video market and pro audio market whos to say they may not touch on the pro digital imaging market.
i can only wish and i hope Sony surprises us all.

Member said:
As long as they can do well and progressively in that section of
camera that I'm most likely to purchase, then I'm happy (I don't
expect to make a $2000 camera purchase anytime soon. Well, maybe
not...).

ZipperZ said:

we'll all have to wait until FALL 2003 for a real successor or
possibly a DSLR. I just cant see Sony sittng on their hands and not
utilizing their 6MP CCD themselves rather than just allowing Nikon
to use in their D100.

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Ulysses · Aug 31, 2002

David Barker said:
For the sake of the forum, let's hope there is plenty more to say.

Hahahahah... true.

Just meant that at Photokina, there is always tons of info to circulate. The forum is no doubt going to be pulsing with an overload of information. I can feel it in my bones.

David Barker91965 said:
You don't strike me as a guy who is often lost for words - I (of
course) mean that in the most positive sense!

I'm positively SWIMMING in words. Heheheh...

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Ulysses · Aug 31, 2002

Sony absolutely dominates nearly anything A/V related. No doubt about that.

A minor glitch, however... did you read about Ericcson being disgruntled with their Sony deal and vowing never to make that mistake again? Funny.

Wonder what happened.

ZipperZ said:
Theres a lot of things that are not "supposed" to be Sonys market
(cell phones, home phones, VHS, car audio components) but Sony
seems to like to venture into these areas to test themselves and
their brand recognition and customer loyality. Some have succeeded
and some have failed. Though Sony has had great success in the pro
video market and pro audio market whos to say they may not touch on
the pro digital imaging market.
i can only wish and i hope Sony surprises us all.

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Ulysses · Aug 31, 2002

Howdy said:
More and more, the camera seems to be falling in line with Sony
tradition. An incremental change, with some nice updates, but
nothing huge. Just enough to keep the camera from being 'old,' so
that it remains a good new camera purchase.

But that's pretty much Nikon, Canon, Minolta, and CERTAINLY Olympus, too.

Howdy said:
Bet we see some 707s start hitting e-bay soon.

Heheh... I'm an eBay member.

However, Canon has not yet revealed her colors for 2002 yet.

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dave clark28980 · Aug 31, 2002

Ulysses said:
I doubt that Phil has learned anything new.

Not really what I was driving at.
It is more like we won't learn anything new when Phil announces the F717. ;-)

My hidden meaning was that we are stealing Phil's thunder and I am sure he hates it when that happens.

In the future when Phil announces the F717 it will already be old news. "Yawn. Oh thanks for the announcement Phil, yawn."

Heh heh heh

David Clark

dave clark28980 · Aug 31, 2002

Will I look like the guy in the picture when I get the F717? Looks like he needs some sleep and should put that thing away?

David Clark

Ulysses · Aug 31, 2002

Hahahahahah... I see what you mean. Although Phil always brings plenty of new stuff to the table. You can't really stop the rumors or hope to truly squelch them. He knows that by now. And still, he has more in his back pocket than we're expecting, no doubt.

dave clark said:
Ulysses said:

I doubt that Phil has learned anything new.

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Not really what I was driving at.
It is more like we won't learn anything new when Phil announces the
F717. ;-)

My hidden meaning was that we are stealing Phil's thunder and I am
sure he hates it when that happens.

In the future when Phil announces the F717 it will already be old
news. "Yawn. Oh thanks for the announcement Phil, yawn."

Heh heh heh

David Clark

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Steven · Aug 31, 2002

Thanks Ulysses. The hotshoe in your other thread is just that a hotshoe. When you have just one center poll there is no TTL or ETTL flash control. Its all up to your and which unit you use. Still it is a nice thing to be able to use different brand flashes. But I think you guys should find out what the max trigger voltage these new Sony hotshoes can handle. You know the old flash units can put out some serious voltage and fry the camera. Canon is 6.5 volts max. I have a Vivitar here that puts out 200 volts.
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Ulysses · Aug 31, 2002

I'm not sure if I mentioned it in the other thread, but here is a comment that Dave Etchells mentioned in his review of the CD400, which I expect uses the same hot shoe as the upcoming F-series:

"A side note though: Be careful that you don't connect a studio pack with high trigger voltage to the hot shoe of the CD400! Digicam sync contacts aren't designed to handle high voltages, and you risk frying your camera if you plug in studio equipment directly. - Look for a "safe trigger" unit that uses a low voltage to trigger the strobes. Likewise, avoid certain older shoe-mount amateur strobes, such as the "HV" units from Vivitar, which present high voltages to the sync contacts."

This sounds like what you're talking about. How to find out that information, I'm not exactly sure about. Your knowledg of this specific is beyond my own here. If you have some suggestions, I'm sure it will be appreciate by all so that we don't toast our cameras.

Steven said:
Thanks Ulysses. The hotshoe in your other thread is just that a
hotshoe. When you have just one center poll there is no TTL or ETTL
flash control. Its all up to your and which unit you use. Still it
is a nice thing to be able to use different brand flashes. But I
think you guys should find out what the max trigger voltage these
new Sony hotshoes can handle. You know the old flash units can put
out some serious voltage and fry the camera. Canon is 6.5 volts
max. I have a Vivitar here that puts out 200 volts.

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kiwi · Aug 31, 2002

Ulysses said:
Hahahahahah... I see what you mean. Although Phil always brings
plenty of new stuff to the table. You can't really stop the rumors
or hope to truly squelch them. He knows that by now. And still, he
has more in his back pocket than we're expecting, no doubt.

If a 717 is genuinely close to announcement isn't it probable that he has a pre production unit in his hands right now?

BTW the pictures in his 707 review have at least one detail that is different from the cameras that actually went into production so I guess it happened before that announcement too?

Kuca · Sep 1, 2002

Unfortunately, I am missing the Night Shot feature with unlimited manual control for the IR applications. I hope, the poster is a fake!
Kuca.

zhoufang said:
The chinese poster is saying:
will be introduced to market in Sep.
USB 2.0
ISO 800 1/2000sec shutter
Long time MPEG HQX
1.4 sec startup time
6 selectable AF points.
added Simplified Chinese menu

The photo looks to be real, but of course the poster can be easily
faked.
Personally I believe it to be true.
All the updates seems logical and 707 is old enough to need such an
update.

Donald Cooper · Sep 1, 2002

What's your hope for Canon? I can't believe it would be a G3. And it's not a DSLR. A Pro 90 successor? What would tempt you?

Ulysses said:
However, Canon has not yet revealed her colors for 2002 yet.

Ulysses · Sep 1, 2002

While I was satisfied with the F505V going with a 3MP sensor but 'dumbing it down' to only 2.62MP, I was disappointed that the Pro90 IS itself did the same thing. And it did it so much later than the F505V that I just didn't find myself interested in it.

If Canon does indeed go with the 4MP sensor, then that is not going to be a draw for me (I want the detail and resolution that you can only get with a 5MP at this time... it's not about the megapixels in and of itself, but 5MP simply grabs for you more information plain and simple).

A Pro90 IS update to 5MP would be something that would make my ears point forward. I already know how Canon handles noise, color, and consistency issues. I'll bet a Pro90 type camera would be really, really enticing to a lot of F-series users. It's the only camea that comes really close in styling and in overall usage.

Alas, I haven't heard anything substantial about a Pro90 update other than a lot of wishful thinking.

Donald Cooper said:
Ulysses said:

However, Canon has not yet revealed her colors for 2002 yet.

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Dan Dombos · Sep 1, 2002

Yanny said:
Are you sure it's not multi-point metering instead of multi-point
focus? That would be much better IMO.

We already have multi-point metering...that is the standard that everyone has.

Center-weighted and spot metering are the options.

Multi-zone focus is not useful for action so much, but it is VERY useful for getting scenic shots with a subject that wouldn't sit still long enough to AE Lock and re-compose.

It seems to me that this feature should be able to be adjusted on the fly pretty much, which is great, though I don't know as it would work with prefocus.

Dan Dombos · Sep 1, 2002

This is one situation where the macro, flash, review on the 4-way rocker are really killng us.

If those functions had their own dedicated buttons, then adjusting the focus zone would be absolutely intuitive and lightning fast to go along with MOST other manual functions on this camera.

Donald Cooper · Sep 1, 2002

He he he .....

We're basically on the same page. I was hoping Sony would add a 10X (with the new Sony sensor) along with the other upgrades to the 707 or that Canon would upgrade the Pro IS. FWIW, for me even 4 MP would be fine with a 10X IS so long as they made the camera more responsive. I'm not holding out much hope though, seems like it is not to be. But if it is, I'm guessing it will be 5 and not 4 MP.

DSC

Ulysses said:
If Canon does indeed go with the 4MP sensor, then that is not going
to be a draw for me (I want the detail and resolution that you can
only get with a 5MP at this time... it's not about the megapixels
in and of itself, but 5MP simply grabs for you more information
plain and simple).

A Pro90 IS update to 5MP would be something that would make my ears
point forward. I already know how Canon handles noise, color, and
consistency issues. I'll bet a Pro90 type camera would be really,
really enticing to a lot of F-series users. It's the only camea
that comes really close in styling and in overall usage.

Alas, I haven't heard anything substantial about a Pro90 update
other than a lot of wishful thinking.

Donald Cooper said:

Ulysses said:

However, Canon has not yet revealed her colors for 2002 yet.

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Ulysses · Sep 1, 2002

The Pro90 is respected by critics and loved by a fairly vocal niche. But it seems that Canon has even less interest in developing a successor than they did the Pro90 itself. Look how long it took for THAT one to come out.

That was the only Canon thus far that I seriously half-way considered.

Donald Cooper said:
He he he .....

We're basically on the same page. I was hoping Sony would add a 10X
(with the new Sony sensor) along with the other upgrades to the 707
or that Canon would upgrade the Pro IS. FWIW, for me even 4 MP
would be fine with a 10X IS so long as they made the camera more
responsive. I'm not holding out much hope though, seems like it is
not to be. But if it is, I'm guessing it will be 5 and not 4 MP.

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