HD video: How important is it to you in a DSLR?

I dunno, the RED Bayer cine camera competes very well with the Sony single chip cine camera which is 5x the price. The Sony F35 is a full RGB sensor
though, not bayer. and is generally better. Your right 3ccd is the best for
video but the F35 re-defines this.

It's the dslr ergonomics for video that bother me. That audio balance box looks
real interesting though. i wonder if it has monitoring capabilities.

How about a Canon dslr with a RGB single sensor.
 
I think this is a natural merging of the two systems. Why not take advantage of the great optics on our SLR's to take video as well? I originally didn't use the video option on my G9 much, but I am now finding it's great to post a few videos along with my stills in my Smugmug galleries.

I'm just an amateur, and taking my Canon HD video camera along with my 40D is just so much stuff to lug around. If I am going somewhere in good daylight and I don't need the speed of the 40D I often opt for the G9. Maybe having great video on the 7D will get me to bring the DSLR more often.

But like a lot of others, I'm a complete newbie to videography and that's a learning curve I just don't have much time to invest in right now. Gradually I think I will use it and it's a smart addition to DSLR's going forward.
 
HD video will be an essential feature of my next new DSLR.

I have no idea yet how much I will use it. I have no interest in a dedicated video camera. But I occasionally want to record video in good technical quality.
 
Im not so sure about that. From my understanding, people are moving away from longer form wedding videos in favor of shorter hilight reels. I can totally see someone easily throwing together a shorter wedding video with one of these.

And when people shoot actual film, arent they shooting film on one device and sound on the other? That was the way we handled it back in school.

As far as replacing a dedicated video camera with a video dslr. I can actually see that happening. The paradigm has already started shifting. Look to Red to see where things are headed.

The 7d is so cheap and the video image quality is so good, you will be reading about this thing being used everywhere for video production. That and the 5d II.
 
I'm looking forward to getting a 7D, but it may be a few months before I can afford one (plus I want to let others be the first to buy them in case there are any problems with the camera.)

The HD video function can be a very useful tool. I work for a newspaper and we are doing more and more video for our website. Luckily we have people in our online department who shoot most of the video, but occasionally I get assignments where I have to shoot stills and video at the same time. Having a camera that will do both could make my life much simpler.
 
I do occasional video work and will be upgrading to a 7D at some point over the next 6 months. To me this looks like the perfect camera.

I was going to get a canon hf-s 1080p video camera during the summer. I eventually decided that I liked what the 5dII was capiable of, and that I would wait and get that or something similar for my next video camera.

I think the thing that all the straight photographers are forgetting, there is an entire market out there for this camera and cameras like it.

While some people may not understand why Canon even cares about putting video in their still cameras, there way more of us that have been waiting for this sort of thing for quite some time.

I truely believe there is going to be a ton of people that only use this for video and don't even care about the stills.
 
No, not really. If you shoot at 30p or 60p or progressive scan mode, in 1920 x 1080, you can get a decent 2mp frame grab of the video footage. That's good for an 5x7 print. Actually, it can stand to 8x10 if you handle the shot well. If it's 720p, a 4x6 or 5x7 print size is possible from that frame grab.
Grabbing ab picture out of a p-video is at the moment not compareable to a still picture. This has mainly to do with a) the compression b) the exposure time. Specially stills of moving objects are far from sharp.

Of course you can get them out and print them - you can print them in 13x19 if you like, but you won't get a good picture.

While you can use this way for a personal memory I am quite sure that pictures taken out of a video aren't sold frequently by pros.

I know you can press the shutter for a still while video is running, but than you have a gap in the video.
The 2 disciplines are different and the mindset is different. But if only as an add on, why not?
With this I totally agree with you. I see video as a nice gimmick, and for some purposes where you take video of scene on a tripod, not moving the camera or need to zoom it can be also useful (as mentioned in another post for a conference).

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Video from the 7D can't possible compete with a dedicated 3 cc video camera. Anyone that says they are going to shot wedding videos with the 7D is just kidding them selves.
The three tiny sensors in even semi-professional video cameras are noisier than the sensor in an average $200 digicam. I am regularly shocked at the terrible video I see from HD cameras that cost thousands of dollars, especially in low light conditions. Almost as bad is how the small sensors make everything look like it was shot at f16. The 5D Mark II was the first camera that actually produced video that didn't look like it came out of somebody's handycam.
 
Not that important but it would be really cool to have when I'm on vacation... Otherwise, I probably wouldn't use it for professional use mainly because my wedding customers hire me to shoot still images of their wedding not video.
 
Not that important at all. I have a camcorder for those needs
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No, not really. If you shoot at 30p or 60p or progressive scan mode, in 1920 x 1080, you can get a decent 2mp frame grab of the video footage. That's good for an 5x7 print. Actually, it can stand to 8x10 if you handle the shot well. If it's 720p, a 4x6 or 5x7 print size is possible from that frame grab.
Grabbing ab picture out of a p-video is at the moment not compareable to a still picture. This has mainly to do with a) the compression b) the exposure time. Specially stills of moving objects are far from sharp.
You may be talking of interlaced. Not so with progressive scan. 2ndly, most albums now are in laid out in digital style albums. Many of those sizes are no bigger than 4Rs. For certain shots, say the processional, you can do a frame grab. And because it is small, these problems you are talking about don't show in prints.
Of course you can get them out and print them - you can print them in 13x19 if you like, but you won't get a good picture.
But why should you? You switch to stills when you need it. For formals, for group shots, switch to stills. For other things, you can switch to video. You seem stuck to a fix photo and fixed video mindset. We have, for the past 6 months because of P in video just switching back and forth. The image quality isn't that bad especially if you put that in a lay out in small sizes. You want big sizes? Shoot it in stills, or press that photo button.

In the tradional video camera, we had some limitations in IQ when we switch to stills. What we wish is we have a good stills camera on our videocams. But these new vidslrs solve that. The 7D and the GH1 fits this bill. Again, a true video camera as far as other features will beat the vidslrs, but the gap is not that big anymore. They, in fact complement each other. Perhaps in the mk2, we will see better integration and convergence at least beneficial for the events shooter.

You are also in the mindset that we edit video and video only. We combine stills and video as a matter of fact. In fact, we don't mind combining any other material that can be converted or rendered to video. Sony Vegas is very tolerant and easy to use other video formats, photo formats, sound formats with good results and without jumping through conversion hoops or compatibility hoops, or having gochas in the final ouput.
While you can use this way for a personal memory I am quite sure that pictures taken out of a video aren't sold frequently by pros.
Maybe a couple of years ago. But we are slowly integrating them because the frame grabs are really getting better. Sure, the frame grab is only 2mp, but as I said, for smaller prints, on a layout, you would not notice in most instances, especially if the shot/footage is well lit and done well. I can only presume that you are not aware of these developments. :-)
I know you can press the shutter for a still while video is running, but than you have a gap in the video.
You are also in the mindset that we edit video and video only. If not we are not really making a video. :( But in truth we don't think or work that way anymore. We combine stills and video. So, even that gap isn't a gap because we think multimedia. The video I am editing now is composed of both video and stills. We don't edit video using video only materials. We use what is needed to get a multimedia output. If that even requires a powerpoint slide, or a flash output, then we use them as well.

And there is an old, old, trick us video editors use if we see a gap or we have bad camera work on a segment we are editing - the cross-cut. If I see a gap in the video, like if I press that shutter button to take an 18mp photo, I can just cut to another scene, say an audience shot, or to the 2nd videocam or vidslr but from another POV to fill in that gap. Voila! You won't see that gap! Again, this is nothing new and is a known trick for decades, even way back when there was only film and no video! :-)

What many are not aware is that the convergence has also made us video editors use materials not of the video variety as well and edit video in new ways that are not linear or traditionally edited. This is really not new. If you see old documentaries, you see stills as part of the narrative. Many have been doing that for a while now, and it does not deter from the story telling. In fact, it enhances it.

The concept of timeshifting, music driven video in some segments, documentary, cinematic/dramatic, etc. are not new ways of presenting a wedding or an event. Again, I can only assume that you are not aware of these developments. You'd also be amazed how we shoot them with some even using cranes, tracks/rails, etc. aside from the traditonal use of external sound recording devices. In our country we also light them as if you are shooting a movie!

Therefore, vidslrs like the 7D, 5D mk2, D90, and GH1 are much talked about. And if you don't do video, people won't really get it, even if explained to them. OTOH, this is why many are excited. Liquidstone, my countryman, who is a birder and not an event shooter, understands these issues. And though he will likely not use a steadycam device like I do, doing video seriously and with a respect for the discipline makes him appreciate the problems and solutions that are available to him in his own type of photography/videography.

We don't see limitations. We see potential and possibilities. The 7D just made it easier. :-)

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Grabbing ab picture out of a p-video is at the moment not compareable to a still picture. This has mainly to do with a) the compression b) the exposure time. Specially stills of moving objects are far from sharp.
You may be talking of interlaced. Not so with progressive scan.
No, all video (and motion film) is shot with longer shutter speeds to include motion blur. If they were shot at faster shutter speeds, they would look like they were shot with a strobe light (a legitimate effect, but not most of the time).
 
I think it almost adds nothing to the cost. If that is true give it to me. But if they are trying to market it as a must have item and charge a lot more for the camera then leave it off. IMHO.
It seems the 1080p24 video is what all the 5D owners who dabbled in video were after. For me, I'm just happy I'll have HD video to play around with on the
 
I don't see how such a camera can't entirely replace a Canon HF10 or similar. Good thing we're getting closer to that level of a merge.

I was actually contemplating selling my Canon HF 10 and buying the 7D as a replacement. So yeah, HD video is important.

The .MOV output as opposed to the .MTS from my HF10 is a BIG plus, even.

Real sad to read about the bad audio processing in the 7D. Why can't they look at Panasonic for this and copy their ideas? Panasonic seem to never make mistakes in that area.
 
Very important to me. Just too difficult to carry 2 cameras what with luggage restrictions and weight limits on aircraft. Right now I am straddling the fence. Wait for the 7D or go this weekend and get the GH1 Hunt's Photography of Melrose, Mass is holding for m??? I have some nice lenses if I stick with the 7D but the GH1 has some really nice features. I just got back from a great week vacation in Hilton Head Island, SC. I took as many videos as I did stills. Most of the stills and all of the video really suck. But that is what NLE software is for. I took the best stills and quickly turned them into a short video using PhotoStory 3 with all kinds of Ken Burns pan and zoom effects. Only took a short while. Then dump the photostory vid into Premiere Elements along with the rest of the short clips. Use the software tools to cut out the junk both visual and audio. Suppress the sound I want to keep to lower levels, add a music track. Record some narration and Bob's Your Uncle. I have wind surfers and alligators and us all having fun in the sun.

If I was as good a photographer as I would like to be then I would create art. I think a good still is a true work of art that communicates on so many levels, but I am a hack, try not to be, don't want to be, but I am. So a mixed medium really allows me to have fun and create something for the family that only a few short years ago was virtually out of reach of ordinary souls. :-)
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Real special software, $99 dollars from Corel Video Studio, maybe the harder part is a high end quad processor and good video card, but you can spend $800 bucks and do the video editing, if you dont like editing you can just burn it straight after import, though I know that can tie up your computer while you are sleeping.
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