Where are you Fuji Pro S7 ?

I just started to appreciate on how exceptional qualities are photos which were produced using an S5. It started to grow on me for the wonder of this working camera. No more major and tedious photo processing. The JPG files usually just come our perfect - the way I want it.

Recently, I noticed a number of announcements in the DSLR industry - a Sony A850, a Canon 7D, Nikon D300s/D3000/D5000, etc.

My question is whether a new Fuji DSLR Pro line will come out. If it will, it should come out very soon. Otherwise, it will be too late and too far behind from other competitors.

The question is what kind of sensor would inhabit a new DSLR by Fuji, if it would be the old S- R-pixel design or one of the later developments like EXR. Both have its intricate advantages and disadvantages.

And then the biggest problem will be price. If they buy D300 bodies from Nikon, the comparable cameras will be more expensive than the competition.
--
Greetings from Germany,
Pam



Some of my casual D3 images @ Stany´s photoforum
http://www.fotografie-forum.be/n3-galleryPMeier-1.htm

Would be a bit disappointing to get gain an 1.5 crop sensor. Accutance got worse, and better glass with larger apertures is needed. So if I have to pay anyway for new optics, why not get a fullframe fuji?

An APS-C sized sensor EXR with two sets of 12MP=24MP brought the pixel size to 4microns. Diffraction would set in after f5.6. Will fuji be able to bring down noise as well as the other companies at that pixel size?

(Good micro contrast at f11) + (14 stops of Dynamic range with low shadow noise) + good color= fullframe, if MP> 12

aniramca said:

I just started to appreciate on how exceptional qualities are photos which were produced using an S5. It started to grow on me for the wonder of this working camera. No more major and tedious photo processing. The JPG files usually just come our perfect - the way I want it.

Recently, I noticed a number of announcements in the DSLR industry - a Sony A850, a Canon 7D, Nikon D300s/D3000/D5000, etc.

My question is whether a new Fuji DSLR Pro line will come out. If it will, it should come out very soon. Otherwise, it will be too late and too far behind from other competitors.

Click to expand...

As another poster here relayed earlier, Fujifilm laid off their sales staff for the DSLR line up. Hard to see how they are going to sell any product without boots on the ground.

Pam

the easiest thing to do would be to layout a detector exactly like the S3/S5 sensor only put more of them in, that is a full frame sensor,and let Nikon make it and also let Nikon use it. It would drop into a D700 body which would give us a 14 mp very high dynamic range and relatively slow camera.

Slow because without significant redesign, which it appears Fuji is not willing to do now, it would take a long time to get all that information off of the chip.

So far no other chip even comes close for DR into the highlights, like the S3 or S5 in RAW and it would be so great to have that in a D700 body.

I would love it.

1 FPS would be fine with me.

Oh yes and the files would be about 100 MB

Golly, I have been a photographer for almost 40 years. How did we ever do without 8 fps or even 3 fps. i used a MF camera that had to be manually advanced. I did own a MF camera with motor drive - I believe it was 1.5 fps. Anyway, too much is put of how fast a camera can shoot. i think we were much more focused on composition, etc. in those days. personally I think we were better photogaphers in the film days.
Respectfully,
David Miller

Hey Walter I like your Idea, but I would need a super computer like yours to keep up.haha

I will see it when I believe it. Not this year maybe next year, and that's just the announcement then add another 6 months for production release. imo Or maybe never!

I am seriously considering the sony 850or 900 as my next camera investment. I will sacrifice a little Dr for the extra rez and huge viewfinder. The 850 is almost the same price I paid for the S5 but x2 rez and nice v/f.

On the flip side if they do release a great new model soon. It has to be a 36mm sensor for me to purchase one.

--

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Image-Quality-Database/Compare-cameras/ (appareil1) 325|0 (appareil2) 258|0 (appareil3) 287|0 (onglet) 0 (brand) Sony (brand2) Fujifilm (brand3) Nikon
--

rattymouse said:

aniramca said:

I just started to appreciate on how exceptional qualities are photos which were produced using an S5. It started to grow on me for the wonder of this working camera. No more major and tedious photo processing. The JPG files usually just come our perfect - the way I want it.

Recently, I noticed a number of announcements in the DSLR industry - a Sony A850, a Canon 7D, Nikon D300s/D3000/D5000, etc.

My question is whether a new Fuji DSLR Pro line will come out. If it will, it should come out very soon. Otherwise, it will be too late and too far behind from other competitors.

Click to expand...

As another poster here relayed earlier, Fujifilm laid off their sales staff for the DSLR line up. Hard to see how they are going to sell any product without boots on the ground.

Click to expand...

They call it outsourcing!
It may not work in every field though.

--
Devinder Sangha

Walter S Matthews said:

Pam

the easiest thing to do would be to layout a detector exactly like the S3/S5 sensor only put more of them in, that is a full frame sensor,and let Nikon make it and also let Nikon use it. It would drop into a D700 body which would give us a 14 mp very high dynamic range and relatively slow camera.

Slow because without significant redesign, which it appears Fuji is not willing to do now, it would take a long time to get all that information off of the chip.

So far no other chip even comes close for DR into the highlights, like the S3 or S5 in RAW and it would be so great to have that in a D700 body.

I would love it.

1 FPS would be fine with me.

Oh yes and the files would be about 100 MB

Click to expand...

If fuji doesnt make any lossels compresion files should be 48M per shoot , doesnt care a lot for me , the problem is that S6 or S7 still a dream by now , late for many people that are looking how D700 is growing down price and does a grate job .

I prefer Fuji , but I need soon a d700 .

--
S5 .......
Do nice pictures and tell us how you have done
enjoy making and sharing it

It wouldn't have or need two sets? I think that is the point of the EXR sensors and why I anticipate, if there is to be a new model, a 12mp APS camera aimed as ever at the social photographer who is not interested in burst rate as much as IQ...great colour, good noise and unsurpassed DR...

That would suit me fine...I work with a D200 and that in my view has enough resolution with 10mp for any commission I undertake..it is just that we would like to see a "Fuji S5 with D300 body/focus benefits and a true 12mp Fuji chip"

That will do nicely!!

Walter S Matthews said:

Pam

the easiest thing to do would be to layout a detector exactly like the S3/S5 sensor only put more of them in, that is a full frame sensor,and let Nikon make it and also let Nikon use it.

Click to expand...

Now that's an interesting thought. Opens up all sorts of lovely concepts...

Walter S Matthews said:

It would drop into a D700 body which would give us a 14 mp very high dynamic range and relatively slow camera.

Click to expand...

Actually, 13.5mp. 6*1.5^2. 13.5mp each of S and R pixels...

Walter S Matthews said:

Slow because without significant redesign, which it appears Fuji is not willing to do now, it would take a long time to get all that information off of the chip.

Click to expand...

The design is not "significant". Simply a matter of bringing 1/8 the rows out on 8 separate lines (even 1/4 the rows out onto four separate lines would be a big help). The big problem with S5 was that Fuji wasn't willing to do even "trivial" redesign on the sensor, they used the same single channel design. A D200 body could quite happily read four channels at 12.5MHz, but with a 1 channel sensor, you've got 12 S + R pixels to deal with, so 1 frame/second. Had Fuji done a very easy bit of layout, it would have been a 4 frame/second body.

A D700 body can do 96million pixels/second on 8 channels at 12MHz. It would happily shoot a Fuji 13.5mp SR at 3.6 frames/sec in HDR mode, 7 fps in normal mode.

Walter S Matthews said:

So far no other chip even comes close for DR into the highlights, like the S3 or S5 in RAW and it would be so great to have that in a D700 body.

I would love it.

1 FPS would be fine with me.

Oh yes and the files would be about 100 MB

Click to expand...

54 megs if uncompressed and using 16 bits for each pixel (the "Fuji lie"). But you gave the clue yourself, earlier. "let Nikon make it and also let Nikon use it." If Nikon actually uses it, they're not going to have the slightest interest in propagating the Fuji lie. So, 12 or 14 bits per pixel, and lossless raw compression. 25 meg raw files...

640 shots on a 16 gig CF. Get you through a wedding without having to endanger data by swapping cards in the field. Hopefully, a new "s" body like D300s, with double redundant card slots.

--
Rahon Klavanian 1912-2008.

Armenian genocide survivor, amazing cook, scrabble master, and loving grandmother. You will be missed.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com

Sensor technology is improving at a rapid rate. The EXR sensor is already looking outdated. We have seen how Sony can improve the Exmor sensor to reduce noise and increase sensitivity. Fuji's way of binning pixels for lower noise and higher DR is not the only solution. Sony has also introduce a software HDR mode to improve DR. I think Fuji would have to improve the design of the EXR sensor and offer more software options besides binning if it is to come up with an APS-C S6 Pro model.

--
http://www.pbase.com/lhlim

Take it one step further, just sell the design, that they are no longer using, to Nikon. Recoup some of the investment cost of the chip and with Nikon running it there would be enough volume in a FF line to actually yield it. Let Nikon re-layout the larger chip and let it run nex to the D700/D3 devices but retain the right to use the chip at a fixed pre-agreed on price.

There might be a problem with noise, Although I don't know, I have suspected that the "slow" Fuju read speeds may affect (READ THAT LOWER) noise. The S3 and S5 do ok for noise but they are not in a class with the D3/D700 and I think the current design would not measure up to the currrent standards for low noise, ie the D700 and the 5DII.

the new FujiS7 Pro is now called the D700.
there will be no more fuji pro's. time to move on.

intruder61 said:

the new FujiS7 Pro is now called the D700.
there will be no more fuji pro's. time to move on.

Click to expand...

Ahahahahah...
You're soooo funny...

Btw, it will see...
I bet on the D400 body.Let's wait and see...

And I think the EXR isnt the Fuji bargain, the new DSLR will be something totally new...

--
If you want go fast, go alone.If you want go far away, go with other people

my friend he is a wedding photography like me and also fujifilm cameras dealer,

he have the all S fuji series camera (because of him i bought 2 S5 bodies after sold my d70s,d80) .

recently he want to upgrade Himself to d700 , before he buy the d700 the distributor told him to wait 2-3 month because they know something , they dont want to tell him what but now he is waiting - me too.....

Yaron Jeri Cohen said:

my friend he is a wedding photography like me and also fujifilm cameras dealer,

he have the all S fuji series camera (because of him i bought 2 S5 bodies after sold my d70s,d80) .

recently he want to upgrade Himself to d700 , before he buy the d700 the distributor told him to wait 2-3 month because they know something , they dont want to tell him what but now he is waiting - me too.....

Click to expand...

And this was only your third post? I guess that you are trolling...

I dont get the connection to the threads number...
Since when threads number are Guarantee to something??

that my story - want to Believe it or not - your problem...

Well, waiting 2 or 3 months may be a wise thing after all and then your friend can still buy a D700 (maybe even cheaper) at the end of the year if Fuji has no new DSLR.

I personally don´t think that a new DSLR is near, as noone has heard of any prototype and Fuji has no DSLR team. So it may be a bridge camera with an EXR sensor and improved AF. Just my theory.
--
Greetings from Germany,
Pam



Some of my casual D3 images @ Stany´s photoforum
http://www.fotografie-forum.be/n3-galleryPMeier-1.htm