Supposed F717 Pic (resized)

Johannes Czernin · Aug 27, 2002

Ulysses said:
Member said:

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Member said:
What are the prices like in Austria?

Member said:

Ulysses

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Just to give you an idea - latest prices, recorded about 10 days ago in the largest and best of the big chain shops here in the capital of the country that do have good discounts - all prices in Euro's, our brand-new, not-yet-totally accustomed-to € presently being just about equal to the US Dollar, up or down some 2 or 3 cents:

Nikon 5700...........€ 1.499
Olympus E-20........€ 2.197
Minolta D7............€ 1.399
Sony F-707...........€ 1.389

.... and these are CHEAP, DISCOUNTED prices - old-fashioned, traditional photo shops around town ask about 10 to 15% more!!!

Can you understand if I'd ever consider buying myself the 717 I'd definitely have to find some friend who'd just happen to go on a short business trip to the States? Not even buying online from one of the recommended US shops would help me as our local customs would brutally slap their regulation 20% import tax on anything I'd have shipped to me!

Johannes

Andreas P. · Aug 27, 2002

BryanS said:
Hmm, tasty! What else does your source say??

I have no more infos but it seems it will be something good...

Regards,

Andreas

Andreas P. · Aug 27, 2002

Hi Hatem,

hatem tawfik said:
Andreas, I will be in Germany to attend a scientific medica meeting
2 days before Photokina , I allready bought the tickets for
Photokina from here in Cairo, maybe I can meet you there if you are
planning to go.

Probably i will go there (i also have the tickets already) but in the moment
i don't know which day i will choose for the visit.

Regards,

Andreas

Ulysses · Aug 27, 2002

Andreas P. said:
a Canon G3 with 38-240 (or so). The 4 MP was only a thought of me
because i doubt Canon will put the ICX282 noise generator in its cam

Hahahah... unless your Canon gets a Foveon sensor, I doubt that it will truly matter. One noise generator of this type is like another.

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Ulysses · Aug 27, 2002

First of all, they're not that misaligned.

Secondly, even if they were, this is not unusual for a an early pre-production or prototype camera. Even Phil has noted this, saying that final production cameras have joints that are tighter, matched surfaces that are more machined, and silk screening that is neater.

Thirdly, the new pics at the Chinese site seem to be the final blow to the Fraudian Theory.

Gordon Berg said:
Ulysses said:

T.Bone said:

+ the hotshoe part of the picture looks more noisy : does it come
from another picture, different resolution ?

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There is no difference here.

Gordon Berg said:

+ the slope and the baseline of the words "movie" and "HQX" are not
the same

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Have a look comparing the silk screen text from the P9 with the
so-called "F717". There is no difference here either. The slope and
dimensions are precisely "SONY".

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Ulysses

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hatem tawfik · Aug 27, 2002

Andreas

Since you allready have a photokina ticket, let me ask you this, the ticket i have is a 1-day ticket. although the guys at the German chamber of commerce here in Cairo told me it would work on any day from the 25-30th, I noticed there is a small mark on the 28th of septemebr at the bottom of the ticket ( a small vertical line), when I asked them on the phone if this meant that I have to use it only on the 28th, they said, this line means nothing and that all 1-day tickets bear this mark,is this true ??.

ianR · Aug 27, 2002

Hi

Well if your really interested in Canon rumours, in the same issue of Chasseur D'images they announced that Canon will also launch a 12mp camera using 2x6mp CMOS chips in tandem. Presumably using the technology they patented a few months ago.

I haven't seen any other Canon rumours but a bridge camera along the lines of the 5700 would make a lot of sense.
I posted this info in the CanonSLR forum when it first came out.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3055402

It wasn't on the site, just in the magazine and I don't think many people around here see it.

I'm only here really to find out the Sony rumours as I'm in the market for a new camera.
regards
Ian

Andreas P. said:
Andreas P. said:

Hmm, tasty! What else does your source say??

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I have no more infos but it seems it will be something good...

Regards,

Andreas

Andreas P. · Aug 27, 2002

Hi Hatem,

Yes this is a funny thing. I have this mark under the 27th.

I have just called them (the given phone number on the photokina homepage) and they told me that this mark has no importance.

So, there is nothing to worry about. You can visit the Photokina on the day
which you want.

Regards,

Andreas

Andreas P. · Aug 27, 2002

Hi Ian,

Yes, Canon will introduce two new D-SLR's this is true.

One is probably the mentioned D120 and the other (own opinion) is a 1D with more pixels.

Regards,

Andreas

Andreas P. · Aug 27, 2002

Member said:
Hahahah... unless your Canon gets a Foveon sensor, I doubt that it
will truly matter. One noise generator of this type is like
another.

There is a difference. The ICX282 SN (Super Noise) doesn't allow ISO 50.
The CCD used by Canon allows this mode...

Ulysses · Aug 27, 2002

Andreas P. said:
There is a difference. The ICX282 SN (Super Noise) doesn't allow
ISO 50.
The CCD used by Canon allows this mode...

ISO 50 has its pros and cons. It is not all beautiful in the land of ISO 50, unless your subjects are moving in slow motion and you have a steady hand. ;-)

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Ulysses

Ulysses · Aug 27, 2002

But you do a lot of portrait work. So I can understand the interest in ISO 50.

Andreas P. said:
Andreas P. said:

Hahahah... unless your Canon gets a Foveon sensor, I doubt that it
will truly matter. One noise generator of this type is like
another.

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There is a difference. The ICX282 SN (Super Noise) doesn't allow
ISO 50.
The CCD used by Canon allows this mode...

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Ulysses

Ulysses · Aug 27, 2002

It wouldn't work so well for portraits (due to movement of the subject), but with other types of photography, you could achieve similar and sometimes better results with a stacking technique to take care of the noise.

Andreas P. said:
Andreas P. said:

Hahahah... unless your Canon gets a Foveon sensor, I doubt that it
will truly matter. One noise generator of this type is like
another.

Click to expand...

There is a difference. The ICX282 SN (Super Noise) doesn't allow
ISO 50.
The CCD used by Canon allows this mode...

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Ulysses

Ulysses · Aug 27, 2002

16 more posts, and this thread will be halted. Done. Caput. It's been fun!!

Bryan Siverly said:
For those of you with slower bandwidth connections, I took the
liberty of resizing Shunza's supposed F717 picture.

Hey, it looks pretty real to me!

Full-size image: http://www.siverly.net/F717/F717.jpg

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http://www.siverly.net

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Ulysses

ianR · Aug 27, 2002

Hi

And is it really 50? Looking at the shutter speeds on comparative shots, plenty of people think it's really nearer 100.
Ian

Ulysses said:
Andreas P. said:

There is a difference. The ICX282 SN (Super Noise) doesn't allow
ISO 50.
The CCD used by Canon allows this mode...

Click to expand...

ISO 50 has its pros and cons. It is not all beautiful in the land
of ISO 50, unless your subjects are moving in slow motion and you
have a steady hand. ;-)

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Ulysses

Andreas P. · Aug 27, 2002

Hi Ulysses,

The ISO100 of the F707 is not ISO 100 it is slower (ISO 75 or so). You can verify this with a lighting meter or a precise camera. (Or the lens of the F707 is slower)

So the differences have to be considered between ISO 75 and ISO 50.

Well, i would say the differences in aspect of shuttertimes are marginal in aspect of moving objects.

Beside of this until now the existing consumer cams are not good for fast action because of the focus/shutterlag.

Stacking techniques: You know this only works with static objects and is
a lot of work.

Regards,

Andreas

Andreas P. · Aug 27, 2002

ianR said:
And is it really 50? Looking at the shutter speeds on comparative
shots, plenty of people think it's really nearer 100.

In this case Canon double wins. Shuttertimes as ISO 100 and noise behaviour like ISO 50

Ulysses · Aug 27, 2002

Andreas P. said:
The ISO100 of the F707 is not ISO 100 it is slower (ISO 75 or so).
You can verify this with a lighting meter or a precise camera. (Or
the lens of the F707 is slower)

So the differences have to be considered between ISO 75 and ISO 50.
Well, i would say the differences in aspect of shuttertimes are
marginal in aspect of moving objects.

We've talked about it all several years in a row now.

I just wanted to get Pinhead excited for a change.

Andreas P. said:
Stacking techniques: You know this only works with static objects
and is a lot of work.

No, it's not as simple as taking the shot and putting it online, but it's not all that difficult either. Depends on what sacrifices you want to make, like with everything else.

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Ulysses

Ulysses · Aug 27, 2002

Hahahahahahah... the debate continues, again. ;-)

Andreas P. said:
Andreas P. said:

And is it really 50? Looking at the shutter speeds on comparative
shots, plenty of people think it's really nearer 100.

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In this case Canon double wins. Shuttertimes as ISO 100 and noise
behaviour like ISO 50

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Ulysses

David (r00t) · Aug 27, 2002

I love this. My second year here and I love the craziness that gets stirred around here. It so hard to NOT get caught up in the Sony fever....

Cheers Ulysses to another fun month or two or three.... It's been a blast.

Ulysses said:
16 more posts, and this thread will be halted. Done. Caput. It's
been fun!!

Ulysses

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