Please Phil,can you stop abusive users?

Links are voluntarily clicked on. When you go to people's personal links, they may or may not be about photography.

You don't like it, you hit the 'back' button.
I agree, did you read what the guy scott said first? Why was it
alright for him to be inflammatory. I could care less about his
sex life, he started the ball rolling though.
So where do you draw your line exactly?

I have seen many flames similar to Scotts all over this forum - I
dont like them either, but the response was of a completely
different order - it was about as hateful, bigoted and poisonous as
anything I ever read on any forum anywhere - and you think this is
"justified" ??
--
Steve
 
Iv'e noticed that in all forums that I've visited, regardless the subject, there are those who test the limits of civility as well as those who seem to look for things at which to take offense. In either case it is tantamount to a "chip on the shoulder" attitude and has no place in civil discussion. Such people are everywhere and will often be spoilers in discussion, IF we let them. If someone steps over the line, it is far better to ignore it than to retaliate in kind. If someone introduces controversial and irrelevent (to this forum) topics, coments, links, or whatever, ignore it. Don't give them a forum.
 
Let me see if I get this: You're trying for ironic humor?

In the name of tolerance, you tell Mango to get out! You describe "we" as a more open and tolerant society, then suggest to Mango that he must leave if he doesn't like North America as you describe it.

This forum -- like any other -- is, first and foremost, a place for people to be heard as long as they remain within the rules posted by Phil.

Mango, I hope you will stay and continue to contribute. I may or may not agree with all that you have to say, but you have done nothing to forfeit your right to contribute.

Jay
Additionally, we don't care what people are imprisoned for in some
parts of the world. We are a more open and tolerant society.

If you live in North America, you'll have to stop trying to make us
more intolerant of others...most of us strive to do the opposite,
and those that don't should.

If you don't like it here, perhaps you should go to the nations you
speak of. You'll be happier in a more controlled society.
As for equating the KKK with homosexuality, please stop being
rediculous.
I was doing no such thing. I was simply stating that if the flame
was against someone who had included a link celebrating the kkk in
his signature, you (or others taking scott's side in the scott vs
rock flame) might be taking the other side. It was my contention
that including a link in your signature that celebrates something
as controversial as homosexuality, a lifestyle that, when openly
practiced, is cause for imprisonment or worse in much of the
world, is an invitation for conflict. I didn't compare the kkk to
homosexuality, other than to say that they are both morally
offensive to large numbers of people. When offront people with
what they perceve as immorality, they often become indignant. This
is scott's crime...and it has been ignored until this thread.
Everyone graciously ignored his signature that invited people to
read his gay life web site. Scott then calls someone a liar and
the accused responds by calling scott a faggot, and the open-talk
forum calls for roc's expultion. I just posted to make the case
that the problem does not lie entirely with roc. was roc's
response appropriate? no. However, it's like the Punk Rocker with
purple hair who, with a nasty snarl says, "What are you looking at?
You looking for a fight?" How can you expect not to be stared at
when you have purple hair?
--
Jay
 
mango wrote:

It was my contention that including a link in your signature that celebrates > something as controversial as homosexuality, a lifestyle that, when openly > practiced, is cause for imprisonment or worse in much of the world, is an > invitation for conflict.
Sounds like the old "women who wear provacative clothes shouldn't be surprised when they get raped" argument to me.
I didn't compare the kkk to homosexuality, other than to say that they are > both morally offensive to large numbers of people.
I disagree and you just did it again.
was roc's response appropriate? no.
Glad we agree there. The appropriate response would have been to defend his post and call Scott a jerk, ect.
However, it's like the Punk Rocker with purple hair who, with a nasty snarl > says, "What are you looking at? You looking for a fight?" How can you > expect not to be stared at when you have purple hair?
Once again I disagree. Its completely different. People often can't help but look at someone who appears unusual or different, but to then go off on a tirade with references to sexual encounters and dying of a terrible disease crosses the line.

I never said he should be banned. I just said it was nasty.

--
Ron
----------------------------------------------------
Coolpix 4500/Photoshop Elements 2.0
 
Good point Jay. Unfortuantely it's usually the ones that scream the loudest that they are tolerant that is in fact the least tolerant. Funny how that works.
In the name of tolerance, you tell Mango to get out! You describe
"we" as a more open and tolerant society, then suggest to Mango
that he must leave if he doesn't like North America as you describe
it.

This forum -- like any other -- is, first and foremost, a place for
people to be heard as long as they remain within the rules posted
by Phil.

Mango, I hope you will stay and continue to contribute. I may or
may not agree with all that you have to say, but you have done
nothing to forfeit your right to contribute.

Jay
Additionally, we don't care what people are imprisoned for in some
parts of the world. We are a more open and tolerant society.

If you live in North America, you'll have to stop trying to make us
more intolerant of others...most of us strive to do the opposite,
and those that don't should.

If you don't like it here, perhaps you should go to the nations you
speak of. You'll be happier in a more controlled society.
As for equating the KKK with homosexuality, please stop being
rediculous.
I was doing no such thing. I was simply stating that if the flame
was against someone who had included a link celebrating the kkk in
his signature, you (or others taking scott's side in the scott vs
rock flame) might be taking the other side. It was my contention
that including a link in your signature that celebrates something
as controversial as homosexuality, a lifestyle that, when openly
practiced, is cause for imprisonment or worse in much of the
world, is an invitation for conflict. I didn't compare the kkk to
homosexuality, other than to say that they are both morally
offensive to large numbers of people. When offront people with
what they perceve as immorality, they often become indignant. This
is scott's crime...and it has been ignored until this thread.
Everyone graciously ignored his signature that invited people to
read his gay life web site. Scott then calls someone a liar and
the accused responds by calling scott a faggot, and the open-talk
forum calls for roc's expultion. I just posted to make the case
that the problem does not lie entirely with roc. was roc's
response appropriate? no. However, it's like the Punk Rocker with
purple hair who, with a nasty snarl says, "What are you looking at?
You looking for a fight?" How can you expect not to be stared at
when you have purple hair?
--
Jay
 
Not violent anyway. Consider if everyone suddenly adapted that lifestyle. The human race would cease to exist in short order. Oh my God!!! DPreview would be gone as well!!
I don't seem to recall too many
homosexual groups engaging in such repugnant violent behavior.
--
John
 
Links are voluntarily clicked on. When you go to people's personal
links, they may or may not be about photography.

You don't like it, you hit the 'back' button.
I never said I did not like it. But if you keep it to camera's and photography (which people fight about as is), we can avoid these types of postings. Keep the flammables away from the kids.
 
I don't really mean that he should go.

But he was saying how some places in the world do something, so that means it's wrong to tolerate it here.

Then again, it was a crime of the highest degree to own a modem in Taliban Afghanistan; should I prop that up as some justification to enforce the same rule here?

Of course not. That's why his argument was ridiculous.

My point was that, following that logic, he should reside where he finds the society acts according to his beliefs.
In the name of tolerance, you tell Mango to get out! You describe
"we" as a more open and tolerant society, then suggest to Mango
that he must leave if he doesn't like North America as you describe
it.

This forum -- like any other -- is, first and foremost, a place for
people to be heard as long as they remain within the rules posted
by Phil.

Mango, I hope you will stay and continue to contribute. I may or
may not agree with all that you have to say, but you have done
nothing to forfeit your right to contribute.

Jay
Additionally, we don't care what people are imprisoned for in some
parts of the world. We are a more open and tolerant society.

If you live in North America, you'll have to stop trying to make us
more intolerant of others...most of us strive to do the opposite,
and those that don't should.

If you don't like it here, perhaps you should go to the nations you
speak of. You'll be happier in a more controlled society.
As for equating the KKK with homosexuality, please stop being
rediculous.
I was doing no such thing. I was simply stating that if the flame
was against someone who had included a link celebrating the kkk in
his signature, you (or others taking scott's side in the scott vs
rock flame) might be taking the other side. It was my contention
that including a link in your signature that celebrates something
as controversial as homosexuality, a lifestyle that, when openly
practiced, is cause for imprisonment or worse in much of the
world, is an invitation for conflict. I didn't compare the kkk to
homosexuality, other than to say that they are both morally
offensive to large numbers of people. When offront people with
what they perceve as immorality, they often become indignant. This
is scott's crime...and it has been ignored until this thread.
Everyone graciously ignored his signature that invited people to
read his gay life web site. Scott then calls someone a liar and
the accused responds by calling scott a faggot, and the open-talk
forum calls for roc's expultion. I just posted to make the case
that the problem does not lie entirely with roc. was roc's
response appropriate? no. However, it's like the Punk Rocker with
purple hair who, with a nasty snarl says, "What are you looking at?
You looking for a fight?" How can you expect not to be stared at
when you have purple hair?
--
Jay
 
Ok, I read the whole thread - They're both jerks. Maybe we should have a poll.

I vote Roc the biggest jerk/

Dave
Iv'e noticed that in all forums that I've visited, regardless the
subject, there are those who test the limits of civility as well as
those who seem to look for things at which to take offense. In
either case it is tantamount to a "chip on the shoulder" attitude
and has no place in civil discussion. Such people are everywhere
and will often be spoilers in discussion, IF we let them. If
someone steps over the line, it is far better to ignore it than to
retaliate in kind. If someone introduces controversial and
irrelevent (to this forum) topics, coments, links, or whatever,
ignore it. Don't give them a forum.
 
I vote you are the biggest jerk for starting the poll, and I am second for participating:)
I vote Roc the biggest jerk/

Dave
Iv'e noticed that in all forums that I've visited, regardless the
subject, there are those who test the limits of civility as well as
those who seem to look for things at which to take offense. In
either case it is tantamount to a "chip on the shoulder" attitude
and has no place in civil discussion. Such people are everywhere
and will often be spoilers in discussion, IF we let them. If
someone steps over the line, it is far better to ignore it than to
retaliate in kind. If someone introduces controversial and
irrelevent (to this forum) topics, coments, links, or whatever,
ignore it. Don't give them a forum.
--
[email protected]
 
You need to email Phil directly about it. I would not open another
topic to discuss it. It only gives another forum for it...and
opportunity to continue.

--
Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
--Yes, I quite agree, and I wish I had done that. I should have realised that my plea would draw attention to the very thing I found offensive: very foolish!

I had no intention of defending one side or the other- I simply felt that people interested in digital cameras consulting an excellent site should not have to put up with abusive language that is offensive to very large numbers of people.

Incidently I have not yet sussed out how to email Phil directly- can you tell me?
Rosie
 
Hi Rosie,

By this time I am sure Phil has read this thread and the other.

I think your thread caused some people to think about these things and that is a good thing. In order to combat offensive behavior people must stand up and say they find it offensive.

-Mark
You need to email Phil directly about it. I would not open another
topic to discuss it. It only gives another forum for it...and
opportunity to continue.

--
Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
--Yes, I quite agree, and I wish I had done that. I should have
realised that my plea would draw attention to the very thing I
found offensive: very foolish!
I had no intention of defending one side or the other- I simply
felt that people interested in digital cameras consulting an
excellent site should not have to put up with abusive language that
is offensive to very large numbers of people.
Incidently I have not yet sussed out how to email Phil directly-
can you tell me?
Rosie
--
[email protected]
 
Hi Rosie,

By this time I am sure Phil has read this thread and the other.
I think your thread caused some people to think about these things
and that is a good thing. In order to combat offensive behavior
people must stand up and say they find it offensive.

-Mark
thanks Mark, I really appreciated that- I had been feeling quite distressed about starting the whole thing!
Rosie
 
Hi Rosie,

By this time I am sure Phil has read this thread and the other.
I think your thread caused some people to think about these things
and that is a good thing. In order to combat offensive behavior
people must stand up and say they find it offensive.

-Mark
thanks Mark, I really appreciated that- I had been feeling quite
distressed about starting the whole thing!
Rosie
I just came upon this thread and was struck by the righteous distress that was caused by this insensitivity and the obvious lack of realization by the 'source' of their own subconscious fears of what they have suppressed. Those that call another 'stupid' are personal experts on what constitutes 'stupid'....ad infinitum...

I am sorry that we all had to read that revelation in the midst of such a talented and intelligent forum..

Just my two cents.
--
Don Blum
 
Hi Rosie

You didn't start it, they did.

Hwever that being said, it has to be pointed out that these kinds of remarks are quite common. If THIS thread helps in anyway to reduce their number, even temporarily, then you did a great thing.

I'm still tied with Roc for Jerk el Supremo, so you can take my words with a grain of salt :)

Dave
Hi Rosie,

By this time I am sure Phil has read this thread and the other.
I think your thread caused some people to think about these things
and that is a good thing. In order to combat offensive behavior
people must stand up and say they find it offensive.

-Mark
thanks Mark, I really appreciated that- I had been feeling quite
distressed about starting the whole thing!
Rosie
 

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