philbarton
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That's how I feel about the press releases; and why I read ALL the reviews.
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Review GH1 a joke?
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Kiwi Rik
Senior Member
Here are some postings referring to some of Sosumi's recent interactions....which make some of his opinions a little suspect...especially with the number of cameras he has tried over time...
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FrancoisduP
Active member
Hehehehe,
He is clearly a photographer of such magnitude that "ordinary" gear just cannot deliver and satisfy his high demands. Clearly we do not see the light this man is seeing! Someone please give the man a D3x or a medium format....I hope it will suffice
Somehow I have this feeling that maybe these cameras are not even good enough...then I guess the best for him is to probably sell all his camera gear and wait patiently till dpreview or any other review site of his choice reviews a camera that gets 10's in every single category....it might be a long wait
He is clearly a photographer of such magnitude that "ordinary" gear just cannot deliver and satisfy his high demands. Clearly we do not see the light this man is seeing! Someone please give the man a D3x or a medium format....I hope it will suffice
Somehow I have this feeling that maybe these cameras are not even good enough...then I guess the best for him is to probably sell all his camera gear and wait patiently till dpreview or any other review site of his choice reviews a camera that gets 10's in every single category....it might be a long wait
Mike C
Senior Member
The GH1 is almost the SLR-Killer the Sony G2 should have been. Had Sony not merged with KM, the innovation landscape would probably be much different.
Had Sony taken the 828/G1 lines and continued to improve/develop them, Panasonic would probably not be a player in the interchangeable lens market.
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Had Sony taken the 828/G1 lines and continued to improve/develop them, Panasonic would probably not be a player in the interchangeable lens market.
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Mike C.,
Denver, Colorado
TEBnewyork
Forum Pro
I own the Sony A900 which I sold my D700 to acquire. I don't know the lower lineup of Sony cameras but the A900 is a joy to use.
1. The sensor shift works very well and an number of us (I can send links) have been able to handhold to shutter speed slower than we could with Nikon VR lenses.
2. The colors coming from the A900 sensor are glorious.
3. The Zeiss autofocus lenses available for the Sony system are simply stellar. The 24-70 is better than my Nikon version, the 135 f1.8 is just a superb lens. Their lineup of lenses isn't as extensive as some other manufacturers but the system I've been able to put together is better than my Nikon gear for roughly the same price.
I also own the G1 and the new E-P1 so I've got some good stuff to compare with. The OP is still completely off base to put a rant right here. In addition he is talking about a different camera body than the one I am praising.
So, please don't diss Sony in general if you haven't used the whole system including their best glass.
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Stumblingfalk
Senior Member
Just ignore this guy, he's been saying a lot of weird things over at the Nikon forums too. He's jumping back and forth between brands faster than I down a beer. Ignoring, is the best medicine for trolls, that really ticks them off 
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WinGsor
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Shouldn't this person be out on a ledge somewhere !? 
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John Carson
Senior Member
Fact is that high ISO performance is one of the biggest differences between DSLRs these days and, if it is poor, that always has a big negative effect on ratings. And poor high ISO performance may be mitigated in post processing but cannot be eliminated.
Yes, there are a couple of advantages for the Sony and you will no doubt continue your previous pattern of focussing on them exclusively. Fact is that the Sony has some serious drawbacks and that is why it got only Recommended.
Then you made a strange choice of camera, given that the Sony has one of the worst OVFs of any DSLR.
This 3x as much argument is just nonsense. The camera is expensive mainly because it has a superzoom lens (the most sophisticated available). Comparing its price to that of cameras not equipped with a superzoom lens is ridiculous.
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philbarton
Senior Member
Glad to hear you're happy with it, but the reviews show that S/S can do 2 stops. Modern VR lenses do 4 stops.
VR lenses stabilize while viewing, allowing the AF and AE to work better. VR lenses allow panning. For movies, Olympus EP-1 abandoned mechanical sensor shift for electronic.
When Sony comes out with something video-enabled, then we'll see. Pentax K-7 recommends use of an external mic, because they cannot muffle the S/S vibrations. Video is here, but Sony is not yet represented. (Sony has rumors of A500 and A550 with video)
The other limitation will be FPS rate -
Cameras shooting 8+ FPS use OIS for a reason.
Sony A380
2.5 FPS
Canon 50D:
High-speed continuous: 6.3 fps
Nikon D700:
Continuous High [CH]: 5 fps (8 fps with Battery Grip)
Sony A900
H: Approx 5fps max
L: Approx 3fps max
A pro wants to shoot a big burst for coverage, and they want them in focus. Movies are catching on with professionals. The clients are looking for it already.
http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2009/06/12/sony-video-recording-will-be-a-necessity-in-dslrs/
It is ironic for Sony to comment that a video-recording feature will be a necessity for dSLRs, because its recently launched Alpha DSLR-A230, A330 and A380 entry-level models don't sport this function.
The trio will face fierce competition from Canon's EOS 500D and Nikon's D5000 which offer a minimum of HD-quality movie recording. Also, the pricing of the A380 in the US (US$850) is almost similar to the Canon dSLR. So why should consumers pick the Alpha over the 500D?
Regarding this issue, Sony's Toru Katsumoto commented that the company has noticed that HD movie capture in dSLRs has boomed since Canon introduced the EOS 5D Mark II last year. The senior general manager of the AMC Division in Sony's Digital Imaging Business group said that if the market desire for such a function increases, Sony will definitely meet consumers' needs. But for now, the company is targeting first-time dSLR users/buyers. To ease the learning curve, the A380 and its siblings employ a user-friendly interface so even newbies can learn how to operate the snapper easily.
CDBayy
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That guy is a clown. He clearly tucked his tail between his legs and ran off to hide somewhere.
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Jay Miller
Leading Member
It basically does video better than any DSLR out there and the resolution figures coming off the camera are almost like the 18-24 megapixel pro cameras out there. Sony has done a fine job coming to market with lots of cameras, but apart from the A700 and A900, none of them sets the World on fire.
philbarton
Senior Member
The A700 was intended to create demand from A100 owners; but after the initial flurry, nothing much happened.
http://photorumors.com/2009/07/10/sony-a700-to-be-discontinued/
TEBnewyork
Forum Pro
But not every tool is meant for every application. A medium format camera is super fast at one frame per second. Sports shooters wouldn't use it but that doesn't mean it is bad. For instance, I don't give a whit about video and am not a sports shooter. I use the 25mp for landscape work where the Sony renders beautifully. The interface is pared back and is very simple to use. Sony, unlike Nikon put a self timer into the mirror up function a frustration on my Nikon.
Again different tools for different applications.
As to speed we decided to see what it would take to fill the buffer (Extreme III ver 2 CF) and counted 17 continuous shots at full rez to fill the buffer.
All I'm saying is don't dis an entire camera company based on your criteria. Not everyone is you or shoots like you.
By the way, when I was deciding if I should get a second body for a trip to Iceland I played with an A700 (to see if I should get an APS sized sensor for longer lens reach). There is a world of difference between the two. So, no I would not buy one of their lower down models and am taking both a G1 and E-P1 as the backup system for the A900.
Finally, when you open an A900 file versus either a G1 file or an E-P1 file the A900 is light years better at any ISO and just blows them away.
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Again different tools for different applications.
As to speed we decided to see what it would take to fill the buffer (Extreme III ver 2 CF) and counted 17 continuous shots at full rez to fill the buffer.
All I'm saying is don't dis an entire camera company based on your criteria. Not everyone is you or shoots like you.
By the way, when I was deciding if I should get a second body for a trip to Iceland I played with an A700 (to see if I should get an APS sized sensor for longer lens reach). There is a world of difference between the two. So, no I would not buy one of their lower down models and am taking both a G1 and E-P1 as the backup system for the A900.
Finally, when you open an A900 file versus either a G1 file or an E-P1 file the A900 is light years better at any ISO and just blows them away.
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TEBnewyork
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End of Life for the A700. Was told that unsolicited in a Sony store earlier this week.
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TEBnewyork
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I have a G1 and the GH1 is not light years ahead of it. I also have an A900. The files are light years apart. Don't kid yourself on that one. The G1 did a great job for me side by side with the A900 but the detail captured isn't even close.
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philbarton
Senior Member
The GH1 is not designed to compete with FF, which is much larger and heavier. The hybrids are targeted right above the megazooms like the FZ-28, and the IQ of the hybrid is well ahead in that comparison. The GH1's selling point is video with AF and AE, which we've not yet seen from Sony in a DSLR even comparable to the cheaper Canons and Nikons. Sony makes FF sensors, so I can't blame them for pushing them.
When the Samsung APS-C NX gets here, we'll have something else to compare to.
In terms of IQ and print size, I'd like to refer you to a very well-informed Pentax user:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=32372580
How much resolution do people need? Well, "bigger is always better", yes - but how many are printing that big? I can understand that professional photographers needs it for big posters and stuff. But for magazines and even for printing books etc, 14.6Mp is much more than enough. A friend of mine is a professional photographer and he uses an 8Mp camera with great results - he has published many books with great images.
And when we talk about noise levels, the noise levels in the K20D - and the K-7 - are just fine for most print sizes that most consumers uses. Again, you need to print big big sizes for noise to be a concern with high ISO images.
philbarton
Senior Member
Correct. And the typical new DSLR owner has no need for that high an MP count.
To me, Sony is using their edge with FF sensor-making, and their well-deserved reputation in consumer electronics, to put out a specialized camera on the basis that someone will find a need for it.
Canon, on the other hand, is opening a new Japanese plant in 2010 to produce 4 million units annually.
I keep wondering just how long Sony is going to keep banging its head on the market-share problem. I see the competition as just too strong for most (N) and (C) owners to give up their mount. Canon has the 21 MP Mark II WITH video.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos5dmarkii/page40.asp
"We have always placed a heavy emphasis on image quality, and all other things aside this means the 5D Mark II has to receive our highest rating. When you consider the price of the EOS-1Ds Mark III, the 5D Mark II seems like quite a bargain. In our review of the original 5D we said 'only history will tell if the EOS 5D is the start of a full frame revolution or simply the first of a new niche format'. Now we have to wait to see if the 5D Mark II (and the Nikon D90) are the start of the convergence of high end video and still photography cameras. But even if you never shoot video, and consider Live View to be a pointless novelty, the EOS 5D Mark II has an awful lot to recommend it to the serious photographer."
Build quality 8.5
Ergonomics & handling 9.5
Features 9.5
Image quality 9.5
Performance (speed) 8.5
Value 9.0
Highly Recommended
Sony:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra900/page36.asp
As long as you take into account our reservations about the high ISO image quality (which we'd more easily forgive on a camera that wasn't the best part of $3000), the Alpha 900 is a camera that just, by the skin of its teeth, offers enough to gain our highest award.
Build quality 9.5
Ergonomics & handling 9.5
Features 9.5
Image quality 8.5
Performance (speed) 9.0
Value 8.5
Highly Recommended
(Sony is predicting a $1000 full-frame - they try to compete on price, and you pay up for the lenses. Note the IQ on the Canon topping the Sony).
TEBnewyork
Forum Pro
What you missed in your passionate response is that we are in agreement and I was responding to this post:
"It basically does video better than any DSLR out there and the resolution figures coming off the camera are almost like the 18-24 megapixel pro cameras out there. Sony has done a fine job coming to market with lots of cameras, but apart from the A700 and A900, none of them sets the World on fire."
I bought the A900 specifically for landscape work when yes I do want to print very large prints at about 40" wide. For all my other day to day stuff it is precisely why I have the a G1 and E-P1 and a full slate of lenses including the stellar 7-14 which is the best of the m4/3's to date.
terry
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"It basically does video better than any DSLR out there and the resolution figures coming off the camera are almost like the 18-24 megapixel pro cameras out there. Sony has done a fine job coming to market with lots of cameras, but apart from the A700 and A900, none of them sets the World on fire."
I bought the A900 specifically for landscape work when yes I do want to print very large prints at about 40" wide. For all my other day to day stuff it is precisely why I have the a G1 and E-P1 and a full slate of lenses including the stellar 7-14 which is the best of the m4/3's to date.
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terry
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