Capture One does not support Samsung cameras!

Adam-T · May 13, 2009

Sorry - spotted this late

Taffy said:
day trial of SPix alongside the Sammy Digimax soft ware, and there is
no difference between them, the UI even looks identical

I REALLY don't like Silkypix, in any guise with any camera..

Taffy said:
. As for a PEF
bsing more efficient than a DNG file, how do you work this out? Do
you mean that the PEF is a smaller file than the DNG?

Correct, they're roughly 1Mb per Megapixel like a canon or Nikon, lossless, of course that means faster file writes, more shots per card, less cards, faster download etc - and Capture ONE works with PEFs only (all versions of C1 with the K10 too)

Taffy said:
If so, do as I
do and use the FREE Adobe DNG converter prog

It basically turns them into kinda "16-bit TIFFs", I can't remember the full explanation (it was in a post on another forum) but they're no longer CCD Dumps after Adobe DNG has worked on them, not as adjustable as a PEF or a native DNG so if you want to keep your Files as Pentax(Samsung) intended then you have to keep the bloated DNGs (I know DVDs are cheap but no one likes bloatware) .

Taffy said:
that have done them, (DPReview has not done the Sammy's), but the
ones that have done them all seem to agree, that the Sammy produces
BETTER pics than the Pentax equivalent.

only in JPG - I never shoot JPG with DSLRs unless its a Fuji

Taffy said:
It was repaired in the UK, Pentax repair facilities are in Germany,
(being moved to France at the moment I believe)

Not any more, they're in the UK now so no issue. Usually K or GX cams when tuned properly are reliable till they die totally anyway.

You know me Allan, I have no anti-Samsung Biases but you have to put your dedicated Samsung loyalty aside a minute and see that there are different needs for different people and the lack of PEF RAW is a deal killer for ME and others as I value download time, don't like bloated RAWs and don't want them being messed with via Adobe DNG but mainly the RAW converter I use all the time for Work or Play is C1 so on that count alone I'd take a late build K10D over a GX10 or a K20D over a GX20 every day of the week -

The JPG engine has no influence on which I'd choose and the cams are the same as far as RAW is concerned (Dunno about the "20" models JPG engines, they may be the same as each other) . A lot of people also see re-sale value as important and there's no denying that it's easier to sell or trade in a DSLR with pentax written on it than Samsung...

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sperger · May 14, 2009

Adam-T said:
The JPG engine has no influence on which I'd choose and the cams are
the same as far as RAW is concerned

I'm not sure if that is true. According to DxO mark the sensor in the Samsung GX20 scores higher than the Pentax k20d. According to the blurb on their website they test the raws from digicams and compare them to each other.

About the size of the .dng's. They are only the same size as those from the Fuji S3 and that is a 6MP camera.

I don't have an axe to grind over Samsung by the way. I only bought the GX20 rather than the k20d because I didn't think it was worth paying extra for gimmicks that I wouldn't use.
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Adam-T · May 14, 2009

sperger said:
I'm not sure if that is true. According to DxO mark the sensor in the
Samsung GX20 scores higher than the Pentax k20d

DXO has been debunked more than the Fortean times and you'd probably get different results across a batch of K20s alone - The GX20 is a Pentax camera with slight styling changes to the bolt on shell panels, there's no way they'd build a camera for Samsung which was better than their own or use different circuitry, they'd certainly not stand Sammy selling them dud sensors to make the Sammy version better.

sperger said:
About the size of the .dng's. They are only the same size as those
from the Fuji S3 and that is a 6MP camera.

NOT a good comparison - rather like saying that a Ford Escort is more powerful than a Rolls Royce and then compare an RS200 to a 1929 Silver ghost!

Fuji D3 RAWs store 12Mp of data (due to SR) then X2 due to their lack of compression so an SR S3 RAW is 24Mb - A Nikon D70 6Mp RAW is 6Mb as is a D50 one and there's more detail in a D70S 6Mb RAW than a Fuji S5 24Mb one (I picked on the S5 because it has a heavy AA filter and resolves less than the D70 or D50 - the S3's resolution is about the same as a D50) ..

Pentax compressed PEFs from the K10D onwards, the 6Mp Pentaxes shoot RAWs which are Bigger than K10 ones !! .

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Taffy · May 15, 2009

AdamT said:
Adam-T said:

day trial of SPix alongside the Sammy Digimax soft ware, and there is
no difference between them, the UI even looks identical

Click to expand...

I REALLY don't like Silkypix, in any guise with any camera..

Adam-T said:

. As for a PEF
bsing more efficient than a DNG file, how do you work this out? Do
you mean that the PEF is a smaller file than the DNG?

Click to expand...

Correct, they're roughly 1Mb per Megapixel like a canon or Nikon,
lossless, of course that means faster file writes, more shots per
card, less cards, faster download etc - and Capture ONE works with
PEFs only (all versions of C1 with the K10 too)

Adam-T said:

If so, do as I
do and use the FREE Adobe DNG converter prog

Click to expand...

It basically turns them into kinda "16-bit TIFFs", I can't remember
the full explanation (it was in a post on another forum) but they're
no longer CCD Dumps after Adobe DNG has worked on them, not as
adjustable as a PEF or a native DNG so if you want to keep your Files
as Pentax(Samsung) intended then you have to keep the bloated DNGs (I
know DVDs are cheap but no one likes bloatware) .

Adam-T said:

that have done them, (DPReview has not done the Sammy's), but the
ones that have done them all seem to agree, that the Sammy produces
BETTER pics than the Pentax equivalent.

Click to expand...

only in JPG - I never shoot JPG with DSLRs unless its a Fuji

Adam-T said:

It was repaired in the UK, Pentax repair facilities are in Germany,
(being moved to France at the moment I believe)

Click to expand...

Not any more, they're in the UK now so no issue. Usually K or GX cams
when tuned properly are reliable till they die totally anyway.

Roland Mabo, and others, in the Pentax forum tell us that the Pentax repair facility is being moved to France, and this facility will cover Europe.

Adam-T said:
You know me Allan, I have no anti-Samsung Biases but you have to put
your dedicated Samsung loyalty aside a minute and see that there are
different needs for different people and the lack of PEF RAW is a
deal killer for ME and others as I value download time, don't like
bloated RAWs and don't want them being messed with via Adobe DNG but
mainly the RAW converter I use all the time for Work or Play is C1 so
on that count alone I'd take a late build K10D over a GX10 or a K20D
over a GX20 every day of the week -

I don't have a Sammy loyalty Adam, I just happen to own one, and it is really good. I have had none of the troubles that the Pentax owners have had, even though they slam my poor little Sammy. It must be because the GX is different, you know like the little kid at school, (there is always one, isn't there?).

Adam-T said:
The JPG engine has no influence on which I'd choose and the cams are
the same as far as RAW is concerned (Dunno about the "20" models JPG
engines, they may be the same as each other) . A lot of people also
see re-sale value as important and there's no denying that it's
easier to sell or trade in a DSLR with pentax written on it than
Samsung...

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Taffy · May 15, 2009

just noticed that you are back as Adam T and not Torchwood. Just got back from a weeks drinking in Tenby see, suffering the after effects now. No thanks, I don't need any sympathy, (didn't expect any either lol), I drank it, I'm big enough to suffer for it now. Never mind two of mu grandsons are due back home shortly from America. If that doesn't cure me, it'll probably kill me lol. Take care mate.
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Adam-T · May 15, 2009

Taffy said:
Roland Mabo, and others, in the Pentax forum tell us that the Pentax
repair facility is being moved to France, and this facility will
cover Europe.

Well, Roland Mabo knows nothing about the UK and servicing is and will continue to be in the UK (though it maybe Lehmanns or JPS taking it over)

Taffy said:
I don't have a Sammy loyalty Adam, I just happen to own one, and it
is really good. I have had none of the troubles that the Pentax
owners have had

The K10 came first and there have been a few hardware revisions since the beginning, from what I can tell, the GX10 was based on the later build - The SAFOX-8 AF system has issues due to its design (the AF sensors are too big and land on all sorts of stuff in a wide scene like they are in the canon 10D, 20D, 30D, 300D, 350D, 400D and 450D) and that affects all pentax and also the Sammy versions - they seem to have improved bits and setup varies from camera to camera but it's all still SAFOX-8 and can FF/RF randomly at wide angle in some scenes like the low end canons can.

My only "Bias" against Sammy is that they don't shoot (100% Pentax Compatible) PEFs, if they did, I'd get which was the best deal at the time K or GX ... BTW, the K10 JPG engine is very tweakable, the default setting is about as poor as you could imagine, I was quite suprised at it after playing around with settings (the Ricoh GX100 is like that)

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Adam-T · May 15, 2009

Taffy said:
just noticed that you are back as Adam T and not Torchwood.

Yeah - Richard Butler sorted it out !!

Taffy said:
back from a weeks drinking in Tenby see, suffering the after effects
now. No thanks, I don't need any sympathy

LOL - you won't get any here Allan, I don't drink at all nowadays, don't want the expense or the weight increase ;-)

Hope you had a good time anyway and that the weather has been better than its been here !! ...... BTW, maybe things are different down South but up here - Allan is welsh for OUT and Alun is the welsh version of Alan (Just curious, been meaning to ask for some time)

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Taffy · May 16, 2009

AdamT said:
Adam-T said:

Roland Mabo, and others, in the Pentax forum tell us that the Pentax
repair facility is being moved to France, and this facility will
cover Europe.

Click to expand...

Well, Roland Mabo knows nothing about the UK and servicing is and
will continue to be in the UK (though it maybe Lehmanns or JPS taking
it over)

Adam-T said:

I don't have a Sammy loyalty Adam, I just happen to own one, and it
is really good. I have had none of the troubles that the Pentax
owners have had

Click to expand...

The K10 came first and there have been a few hardware revisions since
the beginning, from what I can tell, the GX10 was based on the later
build - The SAFOX-8 AF system has issues due to its design (the AF
sensors are too big and land on all sorts of stuff in a wide scene
like they are in the canon 10D, 20D, 30D, 300D, 350D, 400D and 450D)
and that affects all pentax and also the Sammy versions - they seem
to have improved bits and setup varies from camera to camera but it's
all still SAFOX-8 and can FF/RF randomly at wide angle in some scenes
like the low end canons can.

Yes, as you say there are a lot of focussing issues with the "k" series, but, conversely, I and other Sammy users have had no problems. There were also a lot, (considerlimg how few of the total Pentax users, use the forum), of missed focus issues, i.e. FF or BF. Again, myself and other Sammy users here, have had none of this, even though the K10 users were getting this up until the "20" came out. So this issue was nothing to do with the early, versions.

Adam-T said:
My only "Bias" against Sammy is that they don't shoot (100% Pentax
Compatible) PEFs, if they did, I'd get which was the best deal at the
time K or GX ... BTW, the K10 JPG engine is very tweakable, the
default setting is about as poor as you could imagine, I was quite
suprised at it after playing around with settings (the Ricoh GX100 is
like that)

Yes, here again you are correct, but the "tweakability," does not stop with the K10, as the same is true of the GX10. The testing of DSLR's st this site, is only concerned with the camera's default settings, which is rather silly, to say the least. As these cameras are "NOT" P&S's, they are very customisable to each indivividual owners choices. But, I suppose they have to have a "starting line," somewhere, for the tests

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Taffy · May 16, 2009

AdamT said:
Adam-T said:

just noticed that you are back as Adam T and not Torchwood.

Click to expand...

Yeah - Richard Butler sorted it out !! Good for Richard, and you, of course.

Adam-T said:

back from a weeks drinking in Tenby see, suffering the after effects
now. No thanks, I don't need any sympathy

Click to expand...

LOL - you won't get any here Allan, I don't drink at all nowadays,
don't want the expense or the weight increase ;-)

OK Adam, I didn't expect it anyway ;-)

Adam-T said:
Hope you had a good time anyway and that the weather has been better
than its been here !! ......

The weather was brilliant Adam, wife and I went to Barafundle Bay one morning, it was lovely. Only last week, it was voted the fourth best beach in EUROPE, not the UK mind.
BTW, maybe things are different down

Adam-T said:
South but up here - Allan is welsh for OUT and Alun is the welsh
version of Alan (Just curious, been meaning to ask for some time)

Ah so you are a N. Walian are you? But the way you type your responses, doesn't suggest to me that you are Welsh by origin.

Allan is indeed "OUT" or "EXIT" and Alun is Welsh version of Alan. I was an unplanned baby, my brother is 17 years older than I, and my sister is 15 years older. My mother was sterilised, and 5 years later, I was born. As a result of this, my mother told my elder siblings that they could choose a name for me. They took my name from some cricketer, or sportsman of that time, as they liked the spelling of it

Adam-T said:
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Taffy · May 16, 2009

Taffy said:
AdamT said:

Taffy said:

just noticed that you are back as Adam T and not Torchwood.

Click to expand...

Yeah - Richard Butler sorted it out !! Good for Richard, and you, of course.

Taffy said:

back from a weeks drinking in Tenby see, suffering the after effects
now. No thanks, I don't need any sympathy

Click to expand...

LOL - you won't get any here Allan, I don't drink at all nowadays,
don't want the expense or the weight increase ;-)

Click to expand...

OK Adam, I didn't expect it anyway ;-)

Taffy said:

Hope you had a good time anyway and that the weather has been better
than its been here !! ......

Click to expand...

The weather was brilliant Adam, wife and I went to Barafundle Bay one
morning, it was lovely. Only last week, it was voted the fourth best
beach in EUROPE, not the UK mind.
BTW, maybe things are different down

Taffy said:

South but up here - Allan is welsh for OUT and Alun is the welsh
version of Alan (Just curious, been meaning to ask for some time)

Click to expand...

Ah so you are a N. Walian are you? But the way you type your
responses, doesn't suggest to me that you are Welsh by origin.
Allan is indeed "OUT" or "EXIT" and Alun is Welsh version of Alan. I
was an unplanned baby, my brother is 17 years older than I, and my
sister is 15 years older. My mother was sterilised, and 5 years
later, I was born. As a result of this, my mother told my elder
siblings that they could choose a name for me. They took my name from
some cricketer, or sportsman of that time, as they liked the spelling

of it By the way, my name is pronounced as Alan, and not with the Welsh sound of the double "L"

Taffy said:

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Regards Allan

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Adam-T · May 16, 2009

Taffy said:
Again, myself and other Sammy users here, have had none of this, even
though the K10 users were getting this up until the "20" came out. So
this issue was nothing to do with the early, versions.

Well, it's certainly nothing to do with Samsung, SAFOX-8 is just that and the AF sensors are too big, maybe Pentax set them up better for samsung or that sammy themselves give the cams a QC check but its the same system and same camera.. if you were to go to the pentax forum and asked about K10 accuracy, I bet you'd only get three of us moaning and the other 50 or so would say everthing was fine - of course there are the Fanboy head in the sand brigade owners over there and you can avoid AF issues by shooting at 28mm or longer but I bet you'd get a positive concensus - BTW you are the only one I know with a GX10, there are a few GX20 owners on these fora though ..

I see the element of almost "Chip on the shoulder" extreme defensiveness among Sammy GX owners which reminds me of the Sigma Forum in the Pre-DP1 years, it really is unnecessary too - if people can't acknowledge a bargain when they see one (which the GX10 is even if the GX20 isn't) then more fool them - some however need or appreciate the availablity of in-camera compressed RAW and the compatibility of PEFs - as I said, personally that's the only reason I'd choose a K over a GX

Taffy said:
"the K10, as the same is true of the GX10. The testing of DSLR's st this site, is nly concerned with the camera's default settings, which is rather silly, to say the least. ""

Yep - you'd be amazed at the difference just shifting the K10 to "Bright" and knocking the sharpness down makes ! - it would have been helpful if they'd reviewed the sammy versions too later on - also in the UK, the GX1S was the only way to get an IST-DS2 (the larger screen version of the IST-DS) and that was never reviewed.

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Adam-T · May 16, 2009

Taffy said:
The weather was brilliant Adam, wife and I went to Barafundle Bay one
morning, it was lovely. Only last week, it was voted the fourth best
beach in EUROPE, not the UK mind.

Fabulous - well you came back to RAIN and more RAIN - the right way around anyway..

Taffy said:
Ah so you are a N. Walian are you? But the way you type your
responses, doesn't suggest to me that you are Welsh by origin.

I'm a Scot (brash & loud with it ;-) but have lived in N Wales for nearly 35 years

Taffy said:
siblings that they could choose a name for me. They took my name from
some cricketer, or sportsman of that time, as they liked the spelling

Excellent - thanks for the explanation

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Adam-T · May 16, 2009

Taffy said:
of it By the way, my name is pronounced as Alan, and not with the Welsh >

sound of the double "L"

Yes I guessed that - you go shouting "Athlan" (close as I can get to enunciating "Ll" in type ;-) across a room and they're going to leave - I bet it was confusing in school for the teachers..

You may not believe this but I got an "O" level in Welsh at school but that was a long time ago and I haven't retained much

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Taffy · May 16, 2009

AdamT said:
Adam-T said:

of it By the way, my name is pronounced as Alan, and not with the Welsh >

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sound of the double "L"

Yes I guessed that - you go shouting "Athlan" (close as I can get to
enunciating "Ll" in type ;-) across a room and they're going to leave

Ha, ha, the "Ll" sound is made with the tounge curled up at the back of the mouth, not the front as the "th" sound is made.

Adam-T said:
I bet it was confusing in school for the teachers..

You may not believe this but I got an "O" level in Welsh at school
but that was a long time ago and I haven't retained much

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Taffy · May 16, 2009

AdamT said:
Adam-T said:

The weather was brilliant Adam, wife and I went to Barafundle Bay one
morning, it was lovely. Only last week, it was voted the fourth best
beach in EUROPE, not the UK mind.

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Fabulous - well you came back to RAIN and more RAIN - the right way
around anyway..

Adam-T said:

Ah so you are a N. Walian are you? But the way you type your
responses, doesn't suggest to me that you are Welsh by origin.

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I'm a Scot (brash & loud with it ;-) but have lived in N Wales for
nearly 35 years

Ah, right, I deduced that you weren't Welsh, but obviously, without actually hearing you speak, I couldn't guess you were a canny Scot.

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

siblings that they could choose a name for me. They took my name from
some cricketer, or sportsman of that time, as they liked the spelling

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Excellent - thanks for the explanation

You're welcome Adam.

Adam-T said:
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Adam-T · May 16, 2009

Taffy said:
Ha, ha, the "Ll" sound is made with the tounge curled up at the back
of the mouth, not the front as the "th" sound is made.

yeah, I ca SAY it, I just can't TYPE it - LOL

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Adam-T · May 16, 2009

Taffy said:
Ah, right, I deduced that you weren't Welsh, but obviously, without
actually hearing you speak, I couldn't guess you were a canny Scot.

I don't really have an accent now, its been too screwed up by living here, it's been described as a cross between Scouse (liverpool) and Australian - LOL this whole strip of Dee Side Northwales going from Queensferry to Colwyn bay never sounded very welsh, only when you get further along (Conwy onwards) and deeper inland does they start sounding obviously welsh.. Strange . I don't class this as "Proper Wales" like down south, too polluted with scousers.

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Taffy · May 16, 2009

AdamT said:
Adam-T said:

Ha, ha, the "Ll" sound is made with the tounge curled up at the back
of the mouth, not the front as the "th" sound is made.

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yeah, I ca SAY it, I just can't TYPE it - LOL

Ah right, got you now. I suppose a lot of our, (Welsh), pronounciation, is a little difficult, (to say the least, lol), to put into words, via the written method. I hadn't thought about it until you brought it to my attention.

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gebi · Jul 31, 2009

So what we have got? We have new version of Capture One software (4.8) and still no support for Samsung cameras. Now I am looking at their page only from curiosity.

I cannot understand why they cannot add this little change - two new positions in menu and the same profiles from Pentax cameras but with another name.

Capture One does not support Samsung cameras!

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