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high ISO on a sunny day = lost detail??? (5d & mk III)

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sunny day, between 10 am - 2 pm... outdoor shoot...

low ISO 50 to 200 or high ISO 640 - 1000

many will say shooting high ISO will lose details or "NOT ideal at all!"

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i've been shooting high ISOs (JPG files) on a sunny day at least 640 even 1000 and so far so good... and instead of talks and speculations... check out these images...

and please share you experience... about ISO settings on a SUNNY day outdoor shoot...

for those who use high ISOs please share your thoughts and experiences... =)

thanks!!!

everytime i share my high ISO setup... other photogs LOL... even if i show these images...

this is the full original view:



this is the FINAL advertising image:



and how amazing, we even got a lot of room to even enhance and edit her furious eyes!!!



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Newspaper Man said:
everytime i share my high ISO setup... other photogs LOL...
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They may be laughing because they understand the relationship between ISO and dynamic range for their camera. Or they could be laughing because you keep beating this horse. Just a couple of guesses.

Best,
Christopher
 
thanks Shaun!!

it's true that most of the time my ss is @ 1/8000... but i still like my exposure this way (@ ISO 640 - 1000)...

than using low ISO and underexposing my shots...

hope we can hear from high ISO users how and why they want to shoot @ high ISOs...

=)
Shaun ny said:
Newspaper Man said:
everytime i share my high ISO setup... other photogs LOL... even if i
show these images...
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I would guess it's the 1/8000 ss for a person on a trampoline they
are laughing at.
Shaun ny said:
and how amazing, we even got a lot of room to even enhance and edit
her furious eyes!!!
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wow, thats really amazing
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I like these shots, I dont have anything to ad to the comments. I shoot mostly landscape and I use mostly ISO 50-200, I think I shot stars once and that was the only time I went to a higher ISO.

Very nice photographs though.
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Markos B
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Christopher Glaeser said:
Christopher Glaeser said:
everytime i share my high ISO setup... other photogs LOL...
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They may be laughing because they understand the relationship between
ISO and dynamic range for their camera.
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The DR of ISO 640 on the 5D2 is the same as the DR of ISO 125. That, in and of itself, is pretty funny.
Christopher Glaeser said:
Or they could be laughing
because you keep beating this horse. Just a couple of guesses.
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Someone's enjoying the fact that "prohibitively high ISOs" have shifted into the 10s of thousands. Nothing wrong with that.

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John

 
This is where medium format really shines. Maybe someday we'll get leaf shutter lenses. I'm guessing you're using reflectors or Hmi lights or something other than flash, which really only amounts to fill.

The 'evening at noon' look (I don't know what else to call it,) is the realm of the leaf shutter, unless you use a whole lot of power at f11 or higher.
 
hi lassic,

thanks for the visit and your thoughts...

i didn't use any extra lighting during the shoot... here's one more image before and after...

lighting used was 580ex + Q39 (mini softbox) on a bracket...

here's the UN-TOUCHED jpg file (only fit to screen):



here's the processed image


lassic said:
This is where medium format really shines. Maybe someday we'll get
leaf shutter lenses. I'm guessing you're using reflectors or Hmi
lights or something other than flash, which really only amounts to
fill.

The 'evening at noon' look (I don't know what else to call it,) is
the realm of the leaf shutter, unless you use a whole lot of power at
f11 or higher.
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I really like these.

I use high iso's (well ISO800 to ISO1600) for my wedding work. I use higher ISO's for a couple of reasons:

1 to keep my shutter speed at a minimum level that I can hold and that I can achieve the "freeze the action" shot .

To allow the maximum ambient light in to the shot that i can whilst the grain is at a level I can live with.

To enable me to use the appropriate aperture; being a wedding photographer I can live with noise as long as formal shots are sharp from the back to the front. No point having clean, but blurry images.

and lastly, where possible I can reduce the use of flash (or at least the appearence of flash within an image).

Why people laugh at another's technique, I don't know. There is no right or wrong, it's down to your interpretation of the tools available to you. If a certain combination works for you, and your happy with the result than what's to laugh at.

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First, i love this catwoman! It's so inspiring and I love how you showed the before and after image quality.

My question is, what is the advantage of setting up a high ISO during a bright and sunny day shoot?

So far I've really never encountered this high ISO discussion during daytime (sunny) situations.

Thanks for sharing and I really love this excellent Catwoman!
 
sunny! i just love your excellent images!!! very artistic and top notch!!!

and thanks for the visit and for sharing your experience!!!

and your excellent reasons are greatly appreciated!!!

we have something in common in our setup...

thanks!!!

=D
Sunny Kalsi said:
I really like these.

I use high iso's (well ISO800 to ISO1600) for my wedding work. I use
higher ISO's for a couple of reasons:

1 to keep my shutter speed at a minimum level that I can hold and
that I can achieve the "freeze the action" shot .

To allow the maximum ambient light in to the shot that i can whilst
the grain is at a level I can live with.

To enable me to use the appropriate aperture; being a wedding
photographer I can live with noise as long as formal shots are sharp
from the back to the front. No point having clean, but blurry images.

and lastly, where possible I can reduce the use of flash (or at least
the appearence of flash within an image).

Why people laugh at another's technique, I don't know. There is no
right or wrong, it's down to your interpretation of the tools
available to you. If a certain combination works for you, and your
happy with the result than what's to laugh at.

--
WEBSITE:
http://www.sunnykalsi.com
BLOG:
http://sunnykalsiphotography.wordpress.com/
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http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/
 
hi, thanks for the visit and for the kind words!

anyway... here are the advantages i love why i keep shooting high ISOs on a bright day shoot...
  • i have better details (or i get better details) on the shaded areas of my subjects... that means i don't have to lighten up the darker areas using photoshop layers... faster enhancement and processing
  • i love the exposure better! even at 1/8000 ss (which many find it so ridiculous... and honestly... i don't know why??!!)... will the 1/8000 ss destroy my camera faster?? why did they even include 1/8000 ss if this is not ideal??... again i love the exposure better than... over/under exposing the image...
that's basically it... and maybe the ones who LOL... HAS NOT even tried shooting high ISOs on a sunny day... and they just speculate...

and when i show them images... they have no comment!! =\

maybe they're thinking... i should try this one day...

=D

again, thanks!!!
photo_genie said:
First, i love this catwoman! It's so inspiring and I love how you
showed the before and after image quality.

My question is, what is the advantage of setting up a high ISO during
a bright and sunny day shoot?

So far I've really never encountered this high ISO discussion during
daytime (sunny) situations.

Thanks for sharing and I really love this excellent Catwoman!

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http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/
 
Sunny Kalsi said:
Why people laugh at another's technique, I don't know.
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It's not so much the technique but the assertions regarding dynamic range and shadow detail as a function of ISO.

To all those who stumbled onto this thread and want to learn more about the relationship between ISO and dynamic range/noise/shadow detail, I encourage you to look elsewhere for a more credible presentation of these issues.

Best,
Christopher
 
hi cG,

thanks for the inputs...

here are more samples... ISO 1000... above image JPG (not processed, not enhanced, only fit to screen)... bottom image is the processed version...

as i use high ISO, this is my own experience, i get more details, especially the shaded parts of the subject...



the detail under her cap i NOT really noise... it's her skin (freckles, sun damage, etc)



here are more UN-TOUCHED high ISO images @ ISO 1000





i have tons of sample images at high ISOs... and i really find the exposure a lot better than manipulating the Exposure Compensation...
Christopher Glaeser said:
Christopher Glaeser said:
Why people laugh at another's technique, I don't know.
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It's not so much the technique but the assertions regarding dynamic
range and shadow detail as a function of ISO.

To all those who stumbled onto this thread and want to learn more
about the relationship between ISO and dynamic range/noise/shadow
detail, I encourage you to look elsewhere for a more credible
presentation of these issues.

Best,
Christopher
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http://www.zionpublish.com/photography/
 
this ENHANCED & PROCESSED photo was taken @ ISO 100... this was when i started to discover... i don't like low ISOs at the bright sunny shoots...

WHY?

the finished photo is really acceptable and decent... BUT my processing took longer... i had to put a layer (for the faces), to brighten up their faces...

with my high ISOs setup... i don't need to layer the shaded areas...

 
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