New 70-400mm G ssm for BIF and RBAR

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Well, I purchased the new Sony 70-400mm f/4-5.6 G ssm with the idea I would run right out and get some great BIF's (NOT). I quickly have realized there is much more to BIF's than just buying a high quality lens. I think the lens is a highly capable and beautiful piece of equipment (lens is actually more capable than I am as a photographer at least for BIF's).

Most importantly, I realize those who do the beautiful BIF's posses some unique skills, techniques and tricks. When the weather gets better I plan to try some BIF's and hope to achieve sharpness and quality. I really need to get this thing scooped out before the Red Bull Air Race.

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Due to other photos I'd taken, a local bird conservation outfit asked me to shoot some BIF to benefit them. I got some support to buy an ultra high end Canon L lens (Canon film camera years ago).

My work was TERRIBLE. I'm ashamed of it. Nothing was even decent. I'm sure my L lens was the equivalent of your G. It wasn't related to equipment at all.

IMO, camera equipment can be a limiter. That is, poor equipment guarantees poor results, but excellent equipment doesn't assure good results.
 
Due to other photos I'd taken, a local bird conservation outfit asked
me to shoot some BIF to benefit them. I got some support to buy an
ultra high end Canon L lens (Canon film camera years ago).

My work was TERRIBLE. I'm ashamed of it. Nothing was even decent. I'm
sure my L lens was the equivalent of your G. It wasn't related to
equipment at all.

IMO, camera equipment can be a limiter. That is, poor equipment
guarantees poor results, but excellent equipment doesn't assure good
results.
I think you are so right. And when it comes to special lenses and technique, BIF seem to take some special talent and lots of experience. I will give it a heck of a try this spring.

I have a lot of respect for those who are accomplished BIF shooters and hope to get some quality images myself when the weather gets better.

Mean while, today I was looking out the window into my backyard and waiting for the humming birds to arrive.

Photos taken with the 70-400mm this afternoon (no humming birds yet):







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Bill,
I will work out the problems with that lens for you. lol

I'm sure I can break it in for you,
and then it will be in perfect shape for you to use.

Let me know when you want to send it to me.
Just so you won't be with out a lens to use,
I will send you my 70-300G in the mean time.

If you take this offer, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. ;-)

All you really need is some warm weather, some actually BIF,
and some time behind the viewfinder.

The only thing around here lately, is snowbirds!

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Rick

Veni, Vidi, Velcro!
'I came; I saw; I stuck around.'
 
...from an excellent birder who provided the following guidance (I have the 70-300, thus the reference in the first paragraph):

"OK, let's start off with the gear. I think that the 70-300G is a great lens, My friend Eric (Zamac on Dyxum) has one and he uses it with a Tamron 1.4TC for birding. When he and I have been out shooting, he doesn't seem to have much difficulty locking focus and getting excellent results. It's not as sharp as the 300/4, but it's not that far off. Considering it's a zoom, rather than a prime, I think it's a great performer.

Next, your problem with blown whites. I meter using centre weighted average, and this generally gives me a good balance between whites and blacks. I may have to juggle the exposure between -0.3EV and 0EV, but it's not that far off. I've also been experimenting with manual exposure lately. Find a nearby white(ish) subject that's in your general "line of fire", and meter off that. A common setting would be 1/1250, ISO 400, F6.3 to 8. The shutter speed should be above 1/1000 sec to avoid motion blur and hand shake.

Do you shoot RAW? I do get blown whites as well, however shooting RAW is a big help. I use PS CS3 ACR to develop my shots. The exposure adjustment and highlight recovery feature is excellent. I like IDC as well, but it just runs so slow on my 3 y.o. PC - so frustrating).

When I was learning BIF, I used to look at the EXIF data in a lot of shots that others had posted. Do you use an EXIF viewer (such as FXIF)? I leave my EXIF data intact when posting, so find a shot you like and check out my settings (bear in mind that it may have been processed in RAW and the initial settings may have been a bit off). Also look at LuisV and Gil's work. I'm pretty sure they leave their EXIF data intact as well.

While I think of it.... I shoot either early morning or late afternoon. When the sun is high in the sky, the lighting is too harsh. Harsh lighting leads to blown whites. Summer lighting is also very harsh. I find the other seasons better because the sun is lower in the sky.

I use the histogram on hte A700 quite a bit when I'm birding. I've found that if you get the "blinkies", the shot is way blown, and recovery may be difficult. Avoid "blinkies" at all costs!

As far as focussing goes, I use spot continuous focussing. I lock onto the bird when it's around 50 metres/yards away, and then continue to track it until it's close enough to shoot. Pelicans are great subjects - they're big, slow and fly relatively straight. Most of my early practice was on these. Seagulls are also good for practive, but a bit harder. If they fly straight at me, I'm struggling to get a shot in focus. The A700 AFC doesn't seem to handle this situation very well. The Canon 1D's have better tracking and predictive auto focus. I think Gil and LuisV uses wide area AF. I've tried it, but have found that it will lock onto distant trees etc instead of the bird. On this subject, I suggest you find a clutter-free spot to do birding. Few trees and obstructions is good.

The focus limiter on the 300/4 is excellent. Sometimes I forget to set it - I know straight away because focus lock is very sluggish. However once it's set (at around 7-10metres), it locks on pretty quickly. I shoot with Canon 30D/40D users sometimes and they're amazed at how quickly the A700/300/4 locks onto the subject.

Anyway, I hope this helps. Birding can be frustrating at times, but it is rewarding when it all comes together. I'm still learning "new tricks" too. I still come back with 200 shots and delete the lot because they're no good."

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Roger, thanks for the very helpful information. And yes, I have been looking at post from Luis V. His stuff is fantastic.

As luck would have it, just an hour ago I received an e-mail from a friend inviting me to join him on a birding trip to Florida. He also has a Minolta 600mm f/4 lens and a gimbal L bracket to support the lens (it is silk smooth to use). I am checking my schedule to see what other commitments I have and determine if I can make the trip. This would be a perfect learning experience because he has done BIF for a number of years.

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In a few days I plan to travel to Florida for the purpose of learning to do BIF.

I will be equipped to the gills, so if equipment is part of the equation for good BIF's I should have a good chance of success. We will have a 600mm f/4, 500mm f/4.5 and my 200mm f/2 and new 70-400mm f/4-5.6. Also, my friend is very experienced at BIF so I will be in a steep learning curve and trying to absorb all I can.

I consider this a very lucky and fortunate opportunity.

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Good luck Bill... here is a tip for you,,,, Birding is a nice hobby, being in the woods or a marsh area, is reward enough... seeing some of the hundreds of species is reward enough. Capturing some of your experiences digitally is just icing on the cake... dont get too involved in technique and forget to enjoy the scene. Of course Ive only been doing this for 10 months. I am looking forward to your experience, and your photographs.
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I've taken a few thousand bird in flight shots (even kept one or two), but don't have the fever like Luis does. He is very focused on birds. Pun anyone?

Getting great BIF shots from day one is really optimistic. Tracking, shutter speed, and smooth well timed shutter release are the key things to nail down. The aperture chosen can be sort of lens specific, but I think a lot of guys are shooting shutter priority to make their life easier. A lens that is very sharp wide open makes a huge difference in helping to keep the shutter speed up and the ISO down. Shoot lots of frames to increase your odds. Try to keep your shutter at 1/1000th or faster.

If you live anywhere near a large population of larger birds, that's where you should go to practice BIF shooting. Seagulls are great for honing your tracking skill. Pelicans are even more confidence building.

Getting close to bird in the wild is tough. Long shots almost never turn out that good. Fun to say you got the shot, but the detail is just not that impressive.

I've been out birding with Luis. Luis likes high end gear and his shots show it. He's also a very mellow unassuming man. He is in my opinion one of the best SF bay area birders on the Sony Minolta mount, possibly any mount. He has a natural talent for it, and has been concentrating on birding for a while. I wouldn't expect results like his for at least a week or two. ;-)
Well, I purchased the new Sony 70-400mm f/4-5.6 G ssm with the idea I
would run right out and get some great BIF's (NOT). I quickly have
realized there is much more to BIF's than just buying a high quality
lens. I think the lens is a highly capable and beautiful piece of
equipment (lens is actually more capable than I am as a photographer
at least for BIF's).

Most importantly, I realize those who do the beautiful BIF's posses
some unique skills, techniques and tricks. When the weather gets
better I plan to try some BIF's and hope to achieve sharpness and
quality. I really need to get this thing scooped out before the Red
Bull Air Race.

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Gee Bill,
You are going to leave the fun of this Michigan winter
to go gallivanting around down in Florida?

Talk about tough duty. But someone has to do it. ;-)

Have fun and learn all you can.
Then you can give me some pointers when you get back.

Just don't forget your sunscreen.

Rick
In a few days I plan to travel to Florida for the purpose of learning
to do BIF.

I will be equipped to the gills, so if equipment is part of the
equation for good BIF's I should have a good chance of success. We
will have a 600mm f/4, 500mm f/4.5 and my 200mm f/2 and new 70-400mm
f/4-5.6. Also, my friend is very experienced at BIF so I will be in
a steep learning curve and trying to absorb all I can.

I consider this a very lucky and fortunate opportunity.

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Portraits: http://wdcgraphic.com/portrait2.htm
http://wdcgraphic.com http://curtindale.blogspot.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/BillCurtindale
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Rick

Veni, Vidi, Velcro!
'I came; I saw; I stuck around.'
 
I've been out birding with Luis. Luis likes high end gear and his
shots show it. He's also a very mellow unassuming man. He is in my
opinion one of the best SF bay area birders on the Sony Minolta
mount, possibly any mount. He has a natural talent for it, and has
been concentrating on birding for a while. I wouldn't expect results
like his for at least a week or two. ;-)
Thanks for the helpful hints and warnings about expectations. First and foremost I plan to have a good time.

Although, you can believe it for sure, I not assuming anything and not expecting to much but hope to learn as much as possible. I did go out over the weekend and tried to get a couple BIF shots but it was 20° F, windy, over cast and dark (really bad conditions - as Rick C would say, I froze my lens off). I think my friend has some choice locations that will help from the start. I feel with a good location which is heavily populated with birds and me on BIF training wheels (BIFTW), I will at least have fun and enjoy the weather. One other nice thing about this trip is that I will make a repeat trip to the same area in another few weeks (I will have some time to review, digest and analyze what went wrong and what went right (an engineering approach - and if nothing goes well I may need to apply the psychological approach to pick myself up).

Again, Thanks For The Help

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If you get down into the Everglades, there is a pond near the government run lodge (can't remember its name) which has the widest selection of birds I have seen in any one place in the wild, and lots of birders go there just for that. It might be worth while checking it out, or maybe someone else can comment. Whilst the lodge was pretty basic, it was adequate for one night. There are some good opportunities for seabirds on the shore, and humming birds in the walking paths as well.

I just wish I had had my a700 and a 70-400 with me when I was there, but it was quite a few years ago.

Good luck, and tell us what works!

tom
 
If you get down into the Everglades, there is a pond near the
government run lodge (can't remember its name) which has the widest
selection of birds I have seen in any one place in the wild, and lots
of birders go there just for that. It might be worth while checking
it out, or maybe someone else can comment. Whilst the lodge was
pretty basic, it was adequate for one night. There are some good
opportunities for seabirds on the shore, and humming birds in the
walking paths as well.
Tom, thank you very much for the information. And yes, I expect we will get down to the everglades and maybe stay at the lodge (or at least in the area).

Any other suggestions will be appreciated.

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Its been a while since I posted, however this tread has got me interested because of the new 70-400mm G lens. For those people out there with an interest in bird photography and you had a choice of lens which would you get for BIF.

If you had to choose between the 70-400 g lens and the SAL-300F28G which would you get would be nice to have both but €€€€€.

I use the 170-500 Sigma which gets the results on occasions but can be difficult.

Will a 1.4x and 2.0x converters work with the 70-400 G?
 
If you want to cheat a bit (ie birds are only partly wild) there is a bird refuge on the way to Key West, on Highway 1, around the 98th mile marker, on the right on the way down. There are lots of birds who have been injured/now recovering...herons, turkey vultures, pelicans (last time I was there they had a white one) and lots of rarer birds as well. The pelican feeding in the afternoon is something else....the local pirate pelicans join in! I don't know they are doing as they looked pretty stretched last time I was there 5 years ago or so, but if they are still going you should get some wonderful shots.

Somebody can give you an accurate address when you are in Florida and tell you if it is still worth a visit.

I would like to see some shots of how they are doing

tom
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