ERR Message on D90.....

Thanks for the suggestion. The in camera format worked. I did this a few weeks back and didn't think to try this to fix the ERR issue. I'm still going to contact Nikon regarding my issue simply because i lost several photo opps trying to get out of the ERR condition. Usually the battery pull has worked for me.

And in this particular case it was just the ERR message. At times in the past I've also gotten the CHAR message in combination with the ERR message.
 
I have had the same problem IE: blinking Err message in the LCD. Turning the camera off nor any thing else tried cleared the ERR message. The memory busy light would sometime come on and stay on. Only remedy I could think of was to remove the battery. This cleared the error.

I am a software quality engineer. We are trained to look for a reproducible test case. I have just found such a case. Twisting slightly on the lens (mine is the 18-105) while taking shots at 4.5 fps will cause the error. I removed the lens and reseated it and the problem has not reappeared. If I were microcode tester for Nikon, I would file a defect report since the error handling code should never hang the system. I will keep watch and post anything else I see. Stay tuned!
 
I think there is some confusion in the discussion of this thread.

There are a number of error messages listed on p. 255 of the D90 manual. These different messages will have a variety of different causes. We will only make progress in discussing error message causes if we are clear about which message we are getting.

Specifically for the CHA message, the manual says that it means the camera is having trouble with the card, and both myself and many others have fixed this message by removing (and maybe changing) the card. It seems very unlikely that the lens has anything to do with this message. Also, I don't think any of the posts that discuss the lens related problems explicitly claim they saw "CHA". Thus I strongly suspect there are (at least) two separate problems being discussed by posts in this thread.

I have a personal opinion about the CHA message based on the nature of the descriptions of the problem, particularly the intermittent nature of the problem and the fact in some cases both the card and the camera have been observed to continue to work. Specifically, I think it is due to a bad connection between the card and the camera. This kind of a problem may be due to mechanical spacing problems or to oxidation problems. However, since the error happens to many who have new cameras or new cards or both, it would seem likely it is not oxidation.

When the CHA error happened to me, my camera stayed on trying to write to the card even when OFF. Extracting the card turned the camera off, and when downloaded, the card had all the pictures except the very last taken. Thus my future plan, at least for the CHA error, is to extract the card, put in a new one, and continue shooting. I would certainly like to find out just exactly what the cause of this annoying problem is, but I don't plan to send my camera in for service unless the problem gets a lot more frequent than it currently is.

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I have had the ERR message. The first time was when the camera was about a week old and I had taken about 400 photos. It happened right after I unscrewed the lens just a tiny bit. The camera control panel froze up and the camera would not even turn off with the on/off switch. I got the camera back to normal by removing and re-inserting the battery. The second time I got the ERR message the card-access light stayed on an I saw an added error message CHR, once again- the camera returned to normal operation with battery removal. Yesterday I got an ERR message and lock-up for no known reason.
I use a SANDISK 8 MB card.
 
I just ordered a D90, and I am really excited for it to arrive! I am upgrading from a Coolpix 8800. In the meantime, I have been reading this thread and others, and I would like to defer to the veteran users here. What memory card do you recommend? Is it necessary to buy an SDHC, or is a standard SD okay? Also, is there any particular brand of card that is better than the others? I usually buy SanDisk cards, but it seems like they are the ones causing the problems mentioned in this thread. Any advice? Thanks in advance!
Marie
 
There have been several brands mentioned when the CHA error appears, so I'm not sure it's brand related. As far as SD vs. SDHC cards, I bought 2GB SD cards because both my PC and laptop have a built-in SD card reader that would likely not work with the SDHC cards and I didn't feel like adding an additional card reader to the mix. SDHC cards require a reader that is specifically designed for them, so if you don't have one already, you'll likely need one to read them properly.
 
MFitz:

Thank you for that information! I didn't realize that SDHC cards require a special reader. So that has made my decision. I will buy a standard card. Thanks again!
Marie
 
I would get the ERR/ERR or ERR/CHA or ERR message all by itself. I contacted Nikon support and the tech I got was very matter of fact "you should not be getting that error at all". And I agree with that. So I'll be taking my D90 to the Nikon repair center here in Southern California. Luckily it's no too far from me that I can physically drop it off in person. We'll see if they can figure out what the problem is and fix it or if I'll eventually get a replacement. I'll keep you all posted.
 
Hi folks,

I have got several times this ERR CHA messge. I use the sdHC memory and I think quite many of you have it too. Nothing else helps except battery off and back.

My question:

I bought my HC-memory ready initialized an I did not initialize it with my D90. Now, after reading this through I'm also willing to believe that this ERR CHA takes place in the writing phase. Maybe there is something with the "original" memoryformat - who knows. I have just intialized my HC-memory using my D90, so I have not got much experience if this have any impacts. So, have you intialized your memory using your D90? If so, do you still get this annoying message?
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My question:
So, have you intialized
your memory using your D90?
You absolutely must use your camera to format your flash card. Do not trust your computer or another camera to format the card you will be using in a specific camera to format for that camera correctly.
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WSSA Member #90



. . . shoot like there's no film in the thing!
 
I was asking about the initialization because the memorycard works fine as it is without any specific D90 preprosessing. It may be that some other users have not initialized their memoricards and the ERRs may popup because of that. It is absolutely true that we should use D90 initialization before usage ...

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The oxidizing issue doesn't seem like something you should have to deal with on a brand new lens and camera, does it? I never had any issues with my D50 and oxidizing so not sure why that would be different on this camera. I can wiggle my lens as much as I like and I do not receive an error message, so at least on my D90 the lens contacts don't seem to be the issue.

Thanks for your comments!

JB
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I got the error pretty consistently 1 month after getting my D90,
usually when first turned on. It was pretty obvious what it was, a
slight rotation or the 18-105VR lens cleared it immediately. It never
happened with my 50mm or 70-200VR f/2.8
I simply removed the lens and applied a very thin coating of D-5
De-Oxit deoxdizing chemical to the lens spring loaded contacts. D-5
is available at any electronics supply store or some hi-fi stores.
Exposed contacts are likely to pick up dirt or a layer of oxidation
after contact with atmospheric oxygen.
DO NOT us contact "cleaner" or DW-40, common substitutes used for
oxidation that will in fact make any switch or contact much worse and
eventually ruin the device. The chemicals sold as contact cleaners
like the Radio Shack contact cleaner are fine for cleaning oils and
grease from small parts but do nothing to breakup the very thin layer
of oxidation that forms anytime metals are exposed to air. Normally a
few molecules of surface metals will combine with the oxygen to form
an oxide of that metal which is an insulator that does not conduct
electron flow. The layer of oxide is normal and in normal thickness
of 2-6 molecules is easily jumped over by normal voltages used in
electronic devices. The oxide layer actually is desired to prevent
further, deeper oxidation that would require higher voltages to
overcome the barrier. Some metals resist oxide formation, such as the
gold contacts on the D90-lens contacts. But gold is not used in pure
form, but an alloy that has other metals that give it hardness also
makes it subject to oxidation just like other metals. Some metals
depend on oxide for protection because their surface is so reactive,
such as copper and aluminium that they are intentionally oxidizes
when formed.
The problem with normal contact cleaners is that they are overly dry,
cleaning exposes the metal to rapid and deeper oxidation. It will
work sometimes but after a few minutes the problem with contacts will
be worse than ever or permanent.
That is why a special deoxidizing chemical has oxide removing
properties but also a wetting agent that covers and adheres to the
metal surface that prevents any direct oxygen penetration and oxide
build up.

It comes in a liquid or spray form. If spray is what you find, do not
spray the D-5 chemical onto any part of your camera or lens. Spray a
little in the plastic cap for the can and wet a Q-tip and use that
to paint a very thing layer of the D-5 on the contacts of the lens
and camera. It can be used immediately afterwards.
The contact problem is NOT a D90 or Nikon problem, it is normal for
contacts to sometimes build up resistance to the flow of electricity
after exposure to dirt or oxygen. If you ever hear a scratchy sound
coming from speakers when a volume or tone control rotated on a
stereo, you are hearing this same effect and a tiny amount of D-r or
other deoxident will take care of the problem immediately.

Exchanging the camera might not take care of it if the oxide is on
the lens....or simply rocking the contacts back and forth a couple
times when mounting the lens or removing the lens once in a while and
reinstalling it will self clean the contacts to make it go away for a
month or two. It went away on mine after I bought other lenses and
occasionally mounted those, although 80% of the time I have the
general purpose kit lens mounted.
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JB
 
Your situation sounds very random, which would lead me to suspect the unit is at fault. I'd be returning it or sending to Nikon for repair/replacement. That is too much to deal with on a brand new $900 camera.

Thanks!

JB
I have had the ERR message. The first time was when the camera was
about a week old and I had taken about 400 photos. It happened right
after I unscrewed the lens just a tiny bit. The camera control panel
froze up and the camera would not even turn off with the on/off
switch. I got the camera back to normal by removing and re-inserting
the battery. The second time I got the ERR message the card-access
light stayed on an I saw an added error message CHR, once again- the
camera returned to normal operation with battery removal. Yesterday
I got an ERR message and lock-up for no known reason.
I use a SANDISK 8 MB card.
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JB
 
Did switching cards help your situation at all? I'm on day 5 since switching and so far no more error messages. I'm still using the 18-105 which was also part of the combination when the ERR first occurred.

In this thread it seems the majority of posters receiving errors are using Sandisk cards. Maybe there is something different in the manufacturing tolerences or some sort of hard coded information on the cards that is the issue? I'd be interested to hear Nikon's take on this.

Thanks,

JB
I got the CHA error today on the 6th picture from a new D90 with the
18-105 kit lens attached. Brand new SanDisk Extreme II 2GB card as
well. Removed the card and reinserted it and was able to snap aroung
8 more pictures without getting it again, but it doesn't give me a
warm fuzzy feeling that it happened already. I took a few thousand
pictures with my D50 with no errors whatsoever.

Before taking any pictures, I was going through the menus and hit the
playback button instead of the menu button and got a message that the
card was unusable, I formatted it and then started taking pictures,
then got the CHA error. I noticed when I got the error that the
buffer light stayed on for several seconds. I haven't tried another
card yet but I have a few more laying around to try.
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JB
 
There are several posts regarding formatting the card in camera and having that correct the ERR issue. I've ALWAYS formatted my cards in camera, seriously not one time have my cards been formatted out of camera, and I still got the ERR message. I agree using the camera to format the card is the best way, but if it's a bad card I don't think it helps.

Thanks!

JB
My D90 is stuck on ERR and I can't get it out of from this state. It
won't respond to a hard reset, battery pull, lens pull, memory card
pull. ERR still shows on the display. Unfortunately I'm going to
have to take it to Nikon for repair/replacement. Those of you
getting this ERR, I would follow up with Nikon. I was getting it a
few times, and now it's stuck on this error.
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Will
WSSA member #96
Indian River, De
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JB
 
Exactly my frustration, missing a photo opp because my new $900 camera had a brain fart! Sorry, but that's what I feel like when I'm toting around a camera that I always need to check for an ERR message before taking a pic.

I'd think Niikon would want to address this to avoid the negative consumer impressions they are receiving. Can you imagine asking your family to, "Hold that pose" for a few seconds while I pull the battery on my Nikon to reset it so I can take a pic. Would anyone in the photo group think that running out and buying a Nikon is a great idea? Now repeat this process at your child's school, ballet, etc. and you've potentially made hundreds of negative impressions.

I know that is probably an extreme example, but I notice what people are shooting with when I'm at functions and if I see someone doing the battery swap, lens wiggle, card reset boogie then yes I'd have a negative impression about that equipment.

JB
Thanks for the suggestion. The in camera format worked. I did this a
few weeks back and didn't think to try this to fix the ERR issue.
I'm still going to contact Nikon regarding my issue simply because i
lost several photo opps trying to get out of the ERR condition.
Usually the battery pull has worked for me.

And in this particular case it was just the ERR message. At times in
the past I've also gotten the CHAR message in combination with the
ERR message.
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JB
 
Thanks for your insights. I've not tried reproducing the error by the method you mention below, but it does sound interesting. I have tried wiggling the lens, etc but have not received the error again since switching my memory card. Again, I'd be interested to hear Nikon's response to what you've found.

Thanks,

JB
I have had the same problem IE: blinking Err message in the LCD.
Turning the camera off nor any thing else tried cleared the ERR
message. The memory busy light would sometime come on and stay on.
Only remedy I could think of was to remove the battery. This cleared
the error.
I am a software quality engineer. We are trained to look for a
reproducible test case. I have just found such a case. Twisting
slightly on the lens (mine is the 18-105) while taking shots at 4.5
fps will cause the error. I removed the lens and reseated it and the
problem has not reappeared. If I were microcode tester for Nikon, I
would file a defect report since the error handling code should never
hang the system. I will keep watch and post anything else I see.
Stay tuned!
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JB
 
Interesting to learn that it's not just the Sandisk cards. I've not researched this yet, but I'm wondering if maybe Sandisk and ATP are manufactured at the same facility?

I don't know what else to blame at this point, I never had an issue with ERR messages until switching to a Sandisk 4GB card and have not received an ERR since going back to my old card.

Any others out there getting the ERR message with different brands of memory cards?

Thanks,

JB
JB, I got the CHA error with an ATP ProMax 2gb card, that was
included with the camera as a free bonus. So it is not necessarily
associated with just SanDisk cards.
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Will
WSSA member #96
Indian River, De
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JB
 

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