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Expected new feature for Canon G3

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interchangeable smaller new mount lenses (a la contax g2)
or at least a decent wide angle zoom lens 28-85mm f2.8
a firewire port + usb 2 (or at least 1) for faster download
minimal shutter lag slr like
small size , smaller than g2
larger lcd (than g2)
sturdy body (swivel lcd not needed)
8 continuous frame w/o delay
Use same batteries / accessories as D60

Best of all, we should post this thread to robgalbraith.com so chuck westphal can see it and bring back this wish list to canon product development :-)
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Tony Leung said:
Any expected new feature you wish to have in Canon G3?

Here are some suggestions:

. 4x or 5x optical zoom
. electronic view finder
. better focus system

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That would never happen in G3 if Canon were to continue to target the same market segment as G1/G2. Even if they do, I don't think they will use Foveon X3 chip... It:s too expensive. Prosumer camera usually max at ISO 800. Higher ISO would probably increase the cost extensively. All in all, even if this is all implemented in G3, you you buy it for USD1500?

Beluga
Dietmar Fichter said:
Richard Alan Fox said:
6 Mega Pixels
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Foveon X3, AF assiat lamp, manual focus, hot shoe, very low noise
at ISO1600, fast 2.5 lense, 8x zoom, Stabilization,etc - - -
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1/4000 or better top shutter speed
2nd curtain flash sync
image stabilization
reliable autofocus (the must have feature for the G3).

Unless Canon gets their act together with the AF, I won't be buying a G3. I've put up with it in the G2 because the image quality is so good.
 
I hope that G3 will be release by end 2002 similar to G1/G2 sequence.

And from the forum I found that most people want higher MP and better focusing system. Other features are nice to have but with trade off with the price tag. I think G3 will have price around the same as G2 (US600-700)
BBerman said:
I was hoping they'd announce it at MWNY this week. Looks like
that's a bust.

Barry
Tony Leung said:
Any expected new feature you wish to have in Canon G3?

Here are some suggestions:

. 4x or 5x optical zoom
. electronic view finder
. better focus system

--
http://www.tonyleung.com
[email protected]
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[email protected]
 
I spoke with a Canon rep at MWNY today about a new G Camera, simply put was told not this year.
Look / See / Do
 
Hey Richard, no disrespect intended, but you are either naive or just posting nonsense. The Canon rep is responsible for selling current inventory. Even if he knew G3 was coming out in two months, would he tell you so he can sell more G2's? The G3 prototype has been developed already, and they are conducting extensive trials now- trials which should conclude in a few more weeks. It is highly likely that the G3 release will be sometime in mid September
Richard Alan Fox said:
I spoke with a Canon rep at MWNY today about a new G Camera, simply
put was told not this year.
Look / See / Do
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deevee said:
or at least a decent wide angle zoom lens 28-85mm f2.8
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Canon could do this simply by making the CCD a bit larger and keeping the existing lens. The lens is excellent, one of the best things about the G2.

If I were Canon I'd stick with four megapixels. But make the CCD larger. Larger pixels == less noise, higher image quality. I'd like to see 12-bit capture too instead of the current 10 bits (per color channel). The AF system could stand some improvement, especially at close range. And Canon should sort out their ISO ratings...at the ISO 50 setting the G2 has closer to ISO 80 sensitivity.

-Dave-
 
In addition to my notes below:
  • Lower noise ISO 400 and options for higher ISOs
  • A real Manual Focus with a touch-up ring around the lens, rather than that dumb button. You'd need to offer a focus-confirmation light in that case in the finder, like many of the the Contax 35mm cameras do.
  • Better infrared ability
deevee said:
interchangeable smaller new mount lenses (a la contax g2)
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IMO, it'd canabalize D30/D60 sales too much. I can't see any business reason for Canon to do that.
deevee said:
or at least a decent wide angle zoom lens 28-85mm f2.8
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Agreed that the lens should extend down to 28mm, but I'd want it to stay out to at least 100mm on the long end. Right now, you've got a 34-105 f/2.0-2.5, which isn't bad.
deevee said:
a firewire port + usb 2 (or at least 1) for faster download
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Agreed, but not at the expense of making the camera much bigger. I transfer all my pictures via a CF reader.
deevee said:
minimal shutter lag slr like
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Double-Agreed. I'd like a much better facility for taking action shots and setting the camera up to be quicker, even if it means setting the exposure, focus, or WB ahead. I'd especially like a fast-acting mode where the exposure and WB are set ahead, and the camera just offers continuous focus and fast lag times.
deevee said:
small size , smaller than g2
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It will likely be the same size or larger.
deevee said:
larger lcd (than g2)
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Larger LCD probably means larger camera
deevee said:
sturdy body (swivel lcd not needed)
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I don't agree. The swivel LCD gets me more unusual angle pictures than anything else about the camera. I can hold it ground level, shoot 90 deg. to the side or hold the camera over my head and still get an optimal view of the LCD. I think it's a primary selling point. OTOH, I'd welcome something other than a plastic shell.
deevee said:
8 continuous frame w/o delay
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That would be nice.
deevee said:
Use same batteries / accessories as D60
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That would be nice, but IMO, not necessary. I'd venture to bet that most G2 users will never have a D60. Remember, most G2 users are not pros.
deevee said:
Best of all, we should post this thread to robgalbraith.com so
chuck westphal can see it and bring back this wish list to canon
product development :-)
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Tony Leung said:
Any expected new feature you wish to have in Canon G3?

Here are some suggestions:

. 4x or 5x optical zoom
. electronic view finder
. better focus system

--
http://www.tonyleung.com
[email protected]
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If it doesn't come at Photokina in September, expect it next year. Otherwise they would have to be already nearing production to be ready for the Christmas selling season.

And I wouldn't expect it to sell for $6-700 for a while. I think that the G2 was a $1,000 or $899 camera when it was introduced and they got that MSRP for quite a while.

Yes, most people want higher MP, but do the REALLY need it? I've printed 11x14's that are almost perfect from my G2. How many of their target customers go that big? I'd bet it's less than 1%. Less than 10-15% probably ever print 8x10's OTOH, the feature-itis war will probably force them to move to 5-6 MgPixels, if they can fit it into the body.

Skip
Tony Leung said:
And from the forum I found that most people want higher MP and
better focusing system. Other features are nice to have but with
trade off with the price tag. I think G3 will have price around
the same as G2 (US600-700)
BBerman said:
I was hoping they'd announce it at MWNY this week. Looks like
that's a bust.

Barry
Tony Leung said:
Any expected new feature you wish to have in Canon G3?

Here are some suggestions:

. 4x or 5x optical zoom
. electronic view finder
. better focus system

--
http://www.tonyleung.com
[email protected]
Click to expand...
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--
http://www.tonyleung.com
http://www.home.org.hk/photo
[email protected]
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David Kieltyka said:
deevee said:
or at least a decent wide angle zoom lens 28-85mm f2.8
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Canon could do this simply by making the CCD a bit larger and
keeping the existing lens. The lens is excellent, one of the best
things about the G2.
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You can't just "make the CCD a bit larger". Canon is not the maker of the CCD's. I'm no EE, but they are offered by the big makers like Sony and Kodak in discrete sizes with already set-down pixel sizes, etc.

I'm sure that there are many sizes available, but it's probably not a simple task to switch your engineering between OEM CCD's. There's probably a lot of firmware and circuitry that's developed specific to each CCD family. If I were an end-manufacturer, I'd want to keep the number of CCD OEM's that had to deal with to a minimum. It's a lot like supporting different operating systems or chip designs, each one costs lot of R&D dollars.

Skip
David Kieltyka said:
If I were Canon I'd stick with four megapixels. But make the CCD
larger. Larger pixels == less noise, higher image quality. I'd like
to see 12-bit capture too instead of the current 10 bits (per color
channel). The AF system could stand some improvement, especially at
close range. And Canon should sort out their ISO ratings...at the
ISO 50 setting the G2 has closer to ISO 80 sensitivity.

-Dave-
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My list would include:
  • 6x or better optical zoom (IS wanted, not needed)
  • faster autofocus
  • smaller camera form factor
The rest of the camera is fine. Just these specific features can help constrain costs. Just my 2 cents worth....

Jim

http://www.pbase.com/jiml
 
Dietmar Fichter said:
Foveon X3, AF assiat lamp, manual focus, hot shoe, very low noise
at ISO1600, fast 2.5 lense, 8x zoom, Stabilization,etc - - -
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Hmmm. So at that ISO sensitivity, you'll need over 1/1000 sec F8.0 to get anywhere in shooting bright outdoor scenes. Besides, that level is overkill in most situations where it's clear you don't need that much to properly expose a picture.

Keep dreaming. I'm expecting somewhere closer to 6MP CCD sensor and nothing else.
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Skip Williams said:
You can't just "make the CCD a bit larger". Canon is not the maker
of the CCD's. I'm no EE, but they are offered by the big makers
like Sony and Kodak in discrete sizes with already set-down pixel
sizes, etc.
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I'm well aware of this. I wasn't being literal, as in "Canon, please make your CCD a bit larger." More like: "When you choose a chip for the next G-series camera, choose a larger one." I like my G2 but I'd use it more if I could get a wider angle-of-view without using an add-on lens. Also, keeping the same pixel count but using larger pixels should result in a higher increase in quality than simply adding more pixels. Bigger and more...that's fine too.

-Dave-
 
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