The death of SmartMedia, the new XD card?

Very depressing to me that I invested in a memory format that will go nowhere. Despite what the French article says, SM will eventually have to be unsupported and no longer manufactured. It's a fact of life in the consumer-electronics/computer world -- if it's obsolete, it'll die.

I ran it through BabelFish -- not the best translation job, but you'll get the gist of what it's trying to say.

The links are:

http://babelfish.altavista.com
-and-
http://www.photim.com/infos/UneInfo.asp?N=621

SmartMedia R.I.P.

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Tony
c2100, c3040, a200, b300, pt010
http://www.pbase.com/indigo68
 
What do you mean? SM already went somewhere. All memory seems to get phased out after about 5 years on the market (if it's lucky). I welcome newer faster more high capacity, cheaper memory. I have enough SM to run my camera for years to come, but for my next camera, SM will not be fast enough.
Very depressing to me that I invested in a memory format that will
go nowhere. Despite what the French article says, SM will
eventually have to be unsupported and no longer manufactured. It's
a fact of life in the consumer-electronics/computer world -- if
it's obsolete, it'll die.

I ran it through BabelFish -- not the best translation job, but
you'll get the gist of what it's trying to say.

The links are:

http://babelfish.altavista.com
-and-
http://www.photim.com/infos/UneInfo.asp?N=621

SmartMedia R.I.P.

--
Tony
c2100, c3040, a200, b300, pt010
http://www.pbase.com/indigo68
 
From what I've seen, most camera manufacturers seem to favor moving to compact flash. It's a proven commodity and still upgradable. As with any new media, we shall see. It's early days to get excited over a new technology. They come and go. It will depend on maufacturing costs, reliability, etc. Personally, I don't buy multiple storage cards, just using a few and depending on my Image Bank as a bulk storage medium. I'm sure that there will be many inovations in the digital wallet type of storage, that is what I'm more interested in, in the long run.
SmartMedia will probably be supported for another five years so its
demise is not around the corner, but its end is coming it seems.

Doug
 
Very depressing to me that I invested in a memory format that will
go nowhere. Despite what the French article says, SM will
eventually have to be unsupported and no longer manufactured. It's
a fact of life in the consumer-electronics/computer world -- if
it's obsolete, it'll die.
I would have said the same thing, before I made the switch to CompactFlash cards...not I really do not care how things change.

That lack of an on-board controller means that we will see the same compatability problems with XD as SmartMedia....fun.
  • A E Hansen
C-3000, E-20
(Former D-200L, D-400Z)
 
Hello,

Here is a translation of the French article, based on a WorldLingo machine translation that I have revised to correct errors:

Has the SmartMedia card seen its last days? A new card developed by Toshiba will arrive this autumn: the smaller, faster, and more powerful XD Picture Card that will be announced with a new generation of cameras.

This jealously held secret, one of the most important pieces of information of the moment, will shake the photo world this autumn: the SmartMedia card could be replaced by a new card, smaller, faster and more powerful: XD Picture Card.

Initiallly developed by Toshiba, the SmartMedia card saw its hour of glory at the beginnings of digital photography, when the cameras were satisfied with a memory of 2 MB. It was well-received for its compactness, its cost, and its transfer speed.

But its limitations quickly appeared, and as the capacities increased, so did the incompatibilities resulting from a design flaw: the card does not have an internal controller so its performance is related to the camera that it is used by. The controllers of the cameras did not envision the future evolutions, so incompatibility occurred each time SM took a step ahead.

SmartMedia: the record of incompatibility!

The compatibility problems never ceased; with the drafting, virtually all devices were limited to 8MB, then to 16, then 32, then 64MB, which shows the ridiculousness of a card without a controller.

For this reason we called this SM card a pretty name: "SmartMerdia" which attracted the lightning of marketing people who tried to expalin to us the advantages of their choice.

With the passing of years, SmartMedia was nibbled away at by CompactFlash, more reliable and compatible, thanks to its integrated controller. Although this is not free from defects, and its write speed is slightly slower, it took a lead in many cameras.

For two years, SmartMedia was supported only by Fuji, Olympus, Ricoh, Sanyo and Toshiba.

Although the standard was stabilized an the compatibilities were made fewer, SM saw its position declining to CompactFlash, and the attackers Sony Memory Stick and the smaller and more powerful SD and MMC. Despite the denial of its supporters, SmartMedia slowly faded into memory.

Good-bye SmartMedia, hello XD!

As of September, a new card will be born: XD-Picture Card (or X-Data, according to its markings).

It will take its dimensions from the current MMC or a half of a Memory Stick and will profit from new technology which will enable it to have record capacities (several GB) and the fastest ever transfer speeds.

The contacts will be protected but the promoters of this new card, for reasons of cost, have chosen to preserve the principle of the external controller: let us simply hope that, this time, future evolutions will be better thought out!

This card should be marketed in many capacities: first the traditional 16, 32 and 64MB for telephones and the peripherals needing cheap removable memory, plus higher capacities: 128, 256, and 512MB and 1GB, then rather quickly afterwards 4 and 8GB!

As of the introduction, new cameras and 1GB cards!

Although it is not envisaged to discontinue SmartMedia in the immediate future, the majority of brands which currently use SM cards will adapt this autumn to the new XD-Picture Card. This is essentally equivalent to a discontinuation of the previous format.

The change will be made as the ranges are renewed and we particularly await a new generation of more compact cameras. In photography, the first brands to drop SmartMedia for XD-Picture Card will be Fuji and Olympus, undoubtedly followed by Ricoh, and probably Toshiba.

At Photokina at Cologne in September, the supporters of the new format should present new, more compact cameras using this new technology.

XD will support the miniaturization of cameras with access to video functions: still and video camera will soon merge into one.

Towards discontinuation of SmartMedia?

The replacement of SmartMedia in the new ranges by XD-Picture Card does not mean the inevitable death of SmartMedia...even if it is obvious that its days are consequently numbered.

SmartMedia should continue to feed the very broad range of cameras in service, and, even in the long term, no problems of provisioning should arise.

On the other hand, it appears relatively certain that there will be no more development fo SmartMedia by the manufacturers of cameras that hitherto ensured its promotion.

---END OF TRANSLATION---

Sounds very interesting... Unfortunately, this means no larger SmartMedia cards :( . It also should mean entirely new cameras from Olympus :) !

Regards,
photovoyager
Olympus C-2100UZ
 
Why do they have to keep creating confusion? - there's nothing wrong with Compact Flash and SD/MMC .. SmartMedia may be long in the tooth and may have even hit a capacity barrier but there's no need for yet another format..

The manufacturers will decide and the one the most go for will survive the longest .. Talking of which, there's plenty of life in CF, wait til they start making cards as fat as the Microdrive, they ought to be able to cram a few gigabytes of flash chips in there!

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Olympus E10 / WCON, E100RS, Nikon E950, E900.
 
What do you mean? SM already went somewhere. All memory seems to
get phased out after about 5 years on the market (if it's lucky).
I welcome newer faster more high capacity, cheaper memory. I have
enough SM to run my camera for years to come, but for my next
camera, SM will not be fast enough.
OK, so SM's been around since '96 -- you say 5 year cycle, but CompactFlash has been around longer, since '95 in fact and it is thriving. What it comes down to is an engineering mistake with SM that all but assured its self-obsolescense.

Talk of this new XD format starting out at the gate with 128MB and a timeline that mentions a planned 1GB and up to 4GB in its future seems plenty now, but I'm sure they thought the same when they engineered the SM spec five years ago. More planned obsolescense? Maybe. But in the meantime, Toshiba will reap the rewards of royalty and licensing fees, as they did with SM/SSFDC.

SD/MMC was created by Matsushita (Panasonic, National, Technics, JVC, Quasar whatever you want to call them), so I wouldn't expect Toshiba or Olympus to be overly interested in using the format. They were among the founding members of the SM format along with Fuji, Samsung and a few other unrecognizable (at least to me) companies. Toshiba may be a board member of the SD consortium (and Olympus is a product partner), but manufacturers are very territorial of their royalties and always want their format to succeed where others fail. Remember BetaMax vs. VHS? When you get down to it, that's Sony vs. JVC.

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Tony
c2100, c3040, a200, b300, pt010
http://www.pbase.com/indigo68
 
As I understand it, the size limitation on SM relates to the small physical size of the card. 128 MB is not the electrical limit according to a manufacturer's web site I looked at.

So the new card will be smaller? The SM card is plenty small already. Smaller than memory cards in Star Trek or Babylon 5, and these folks could choose whatever size they wanted.

Something smaller than SM will be too easy to lose.
 
SmartMedia will probably be supported for another five years so its
demise is not around the corner, but its end is coming it seems.

Doug
Though there is a limit to size and compatability, if your camera and card reader work well with SM, why not stock up? Lets face it, there are a lot fo cameras working only with SM, and with the low cost, I'd rather have multible 128 and 64mb cards than have one new card to lose or damage.

People call technology obsolete, but in reality, its still very popular. Look at PC100 memory for PC's: dirt cheap and still usefull for anyone with a lower PIII computer.

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  • Matt
 
Mostly because I'm looking toward the future. As of yet, I haven't found the camera that I would be satisfied with long-term. With the advances taking place now, it seems like there should be something coming out at least within the next year or so. I always take pictures at the highest resolution and quality, etc. 128 mb is the smallest size I would consider for a 3+ megapixel camera. My storage device is 30gig. It takes forever to fill it up. My ideal camera will have at least 5megapixels, a reasonably large zoom and good optics, a RAW mode (non lossy format), and accurate color. Right now only 60 shots fit on my 128mb card., this number would be reduced considerably in a future camera. Also, this is not the only digital camera that I have. The other one takes Compact flash I & type II (compatible). As with everything it is purely personal preference.
Though there is a limit to size and compatability, if your camera
and card reader work well with SM, why not stock up? Lets face it,
there are a lot fo cameras working only with SM, and with the low
cost, I'd rather have multible 128 and 64mb cards than have one new
card to lose or damage.
People call technology obsolete, but in reality, its still very
popular. Look at PC100 memory for PC's: dirt cheap and still
usefull for anyone with a lower PIII computer.

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  • Matt
 
As I understand it, the size limitation on SM relates to the small
physical size of the card. 128 MB is not the electrical limit
according to a manufacturer's web site I looked at.

So the new card will be smaller? The SM card is plenty small
already. Smaller than memory cards in Star Trek or Babylon 5, and
these folks could choose whatever size they wanted.

Something smaller than SM will be too easy to lose.
The XD was described as approximately the size of SD or the half-lengh Memory Stick, which is often compared to a postage stamp. To be exact, the SD format is 24mm x 33mm x 2mm. If the photo in the article holds true, XD is a little wider. Nevertheless, all smaller than SM.

So the limitation definitely wasn't physical size, and has been attributed to a design flaw. There were a lot of compatibility problems for devices in the jump to 64MB and 128MB (where it's apparently topping out) -- growing pains which involved modifications of the original spec. The thinness of the card can be a problem for fragility, among other things.

And now that I go back to look at the French article again, I find it's been pulled by the publisher!

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Tony
c2100, c3040, a200, b300, pt010
http://www.pbase.com/indigo68
 
Hello,
And now that I go back to look at the French article again, I find
it's been pulled by the publisher!
Actually, it isn't. It's just that Phil's link is the incorrect address. The article can actually be found at:

http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=625

I am also copying the French text to my computer in case it is indeed pulled (Toshiba might go after Chasseur d'Images).

Regards,
photovoyager
Olympus C-2100UZ
 
Actually, it isn't. It's just that Phil's link is the incorrect
address. The article can actually be found at:

http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=625

I am also copying the French text to my computer in case it is
indeed pulled (Toshiba might go after Chasseur d'Images).
Interesting -- at the very least, the article was moved and the photo is different from the original. Now the XD looks a smidge smaller than the SD/MMC.

Thanks for finding it again! I tried looking, but I don't French! ;) Err... let me rephrase that...

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Tony
c2100, c3040, a200, b300, pt010
http://www.pbase.com/indigo68
 
Ok , so it's possible that SmartMedia will die off soon. Whether it does or does not really makes no difference...here's why:

Scenario 1 - If SmartMedia dies soon, there will be a company that emerges that buys the licence and continues t make them, or we will be forced to scan eBay for used ones.

Scenario 2 - Smartmedia continues to be manufactured, but like all media, the desire for larger capacities will reign. 256mb, 512mb, etc. will be made and the 128mb (the largest the current Oly cameras will take) will fade out...again leaving the end result of Secenario 1.

And so on and so on and so on.......
C.

Proudly shooting with an Olympus c4040
 
Mostly because I'm looking toward the future. As of yet, I haven't
found the camera that I would be satisfied with long-term. With
the advances taking place now, it seems like there should be
something coming out at least within the next year or so. I always
take pictures at the highest resolution and quality, etc. 128 mb
is the smallest size I would consider for a 3+ megapixel camera.
My storage device is 30gig. It takes forever to fill it up. My
ideal camera will have at least 5megapixels, a reasonably large
zoom and good optics, a RAW mode (non lossy format), and accurate
color. Right now only 60 shots fit on my 128mb card., this number
would be reduced considerably in a future camera. Also, this is not
the only digital camera that I have. The other one takes Compact
flash I & type II (compatible). As with everything it is purely
personal preference.
Lets face it, the prosumer Oly cameras outgrew the SM card with the advent of the E10. Thats why Oly decided to go with CF for it. Thats not to say that SM hasn't got a place in future 3MP beginner digicams even with a 128 MB limit.

You just have to think along the lines that your SM cards are camera specific accessories in the same way as your TCON 1.45x lens adaptor or your Li ION batteries (thankfully not applicable to us Oly users!).
 
I'm in hopes that the opposite happens. Maybe, in the interest of pushing the new technology, the manufacturers will drop prices on SM cards to clear them out and create retail space to the new XD card. Imagine, being able to pick up several 128 SM cards for dirt cheap? If this happens, i'm stocking up, that's for sure. Things like this happen all the time, why not to the SM card?

Robert Mossack
 

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