My 5D has no black dots. Not ordering 5D2

Even if I only see them at over 100% enlargements and most clients will ever see them, this is unacceptable for me.

I like to print big and that is the only reason to go for the 5D2. I would hate somebody to finger point black dots on my 24X36 prints!
I'm not ordering a 5D2 till this defect is fixed.
Someone else?
Eduardo

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For me the reason to get the 5D2 is to print big and for low light.

Well, if you print big the black dots will be obvious, that's a problem.

If you shooting night city scenes your going to get black dots on all the street lights, that's a problem.

So it looks like I will have to wait for a fix from Canon, if they can, before I buy the 5D2.

But, if you shooting daylight normal scenes, then the camera works fine. Same with studio work, that looks OK also.

I wonder I Canon learned for the 1D3 problem and will address this issue soon, or just bury their heads in the sand again.

Dave

Right now it is not a deal stopper for me, but I want to get more information and see what Canon's reaction is. There may be a firmware fix or workaround, or possibly a real simple change that could made on the camera body. This is a very recent discovery, and most of the discussion concerning it has taken place over the weekend.

Will this problem send a lot of people to Nikon or even Sony? That is unlikely, it is not a big enough problem for most shooters, though it may sway a few people who are already considering the switch for other reasons.

Will it stop people switching from Nikon to Canon? Yeah, probably a few people who don't truly need the 5D Mk II resolution or video.

Will it cost Canon some sales from people on the fence as to whether or not to spend $2700 on a body? Given the current global economy, I think that is a definite "yes." It is very hard to justify spending a lot of money right now for many people, and the 5D Mk II has lost a bit of its gloss with the black spot affair. Canon's older bodies are outstanding tools, and it may not be that difficult to wait out a generation, depending on what your needs are.

Does the current problem hurt Canon's image? Yes, but it will hurt it far worse if they are as evasive as they were with the 1D Mk III.

whats the hurry? let the beta testers do their thing.
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I just hope this is not another camera rushed out the door before it is fully tested. It will be interesting how Canon handles this, that will send a message that they have some QA issues in ther R&D department.

If it's just a firmware issue that's cool, but if it's a hardware issue that would be VERY disappointing. That's a lose-lose for everyone.

I'll wait for all the testers to deal with the problems and buy one in a few months.

I'm not trolling but does Nikon have the same issues when releasing new bodies? I'm a huge Canon fan boy and have way too much invested in glass to switch, I just wonder if Canon needs some help in the QA areas.

As I recall, Nikon used to be considerably worse than Canon with image quality issues, then they seemed to get their act together around the time that Canon made fools of themselves with the 1D Mk III issue.

djworland said:

I'm not trolling but does Nikon have the same issues when releasing
new bodies? I'm a huge Canon fan boy and have way too much invested
in glass to switch, I just wonder if Canon needs some help in the QA
areas.

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My 5D MKII has no black dots...
ISO 2000

Turn off Auto Lighting Optimizer.

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I can count atleast 10 black spots!
6 at the center bottom and right bottom
1 at top left corner
1 by the TDK ad
and a few on "CHEVROLET" light

They're definitely there. They don't negatively impact this particular photo, but nobody wants this type of sensor issue.

kubrick said:

I can count atleast 10 black spots!
6 at the center bottom and right bottom
1 at top left corner
1 by the TDK ad
and a few on "CHEVROLET" light

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considering that the 1DS Mark 3 have a similar sensor, could this be a digic4 issue?

700 more than the 5D, 5000 less than the 1DS3, Im still happy with my 5D2.

also, if someone would order a 24X30 print from me, it deserved to be worked on anyway, not just the BD's, but the whole image.

but, it would have been nicer if we didnt got this BD's in the first place.

slerman said:

My 5D MKII has no black dots...
ISO 2000



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Unfortunately, they are there:-



It's surprising that I still have not seen a posted sample taken in similar conditions (with many small point sources of light at ISO200 or greater) that do NOT exhibit the black spots which indicates the problem is quite prevalent.

If and when we do see spot-free photos, it may be useful to take note of the serial numbers so we can distinguish between the batches. For all we know, Canon may just fix the issue quietly.

Sorry kubrick and surefire, but I think you are mistaken. For example, the TDK "black spots" are actually a patch of mid-to-dark green spots. The darker areas by the bottom lights are not black. They are patches of darker color pixels. I'm not seeing the kind of predictable black spots to the right of point light sources that are in the image that spurred these concerns.

The crop I posted has hundreds of small point light sources from skyscraper windows and light banks and a blazing streetlamp in the middle. I'm not detecting any black or dark spots in those areas...

Again, I'm not saying it isn't an issue with a camera or cameras--or that some of the image processing settings may cause issues--but I am not seeing a significant problem in my MKII.

RDKirk said:

Turn off Auto Lighting Optimizer.

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If you read the other threads on the issue you'll see that the problem is in Raw images and has nothing to do with any jpg processing in the camera. Besides, all the features and functions of the camera should be able to be used without causing such a problem.

RDKirk said:

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Don't be the one left alone behind
Hurry up, join the others
Get some black dots

Now !!!

Edymagno said:

Even if I only see them at over 100% enlargements and most clients
will ever see them, this is unacceptable for me.
I like to print big and that is the only reason to go for the 5D2. I
would hate somebody to finger point black dots on my 24X36 prints!
I'm not ordering a 5D2 till this defect is fixed.
Someone else?
Eduardo
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slerman said:

Sorry kubrick and surefire, but I think you are mistaken. For
example, the TDK "black spots" are actually a patch of mid-to-dark
green spots. The darker areas by the bottom lights are not black.
They are patches of darker color pixels. I'm not seeing the kind of
predictable black spots to the right of point light sources that are
in the image that spurred these concerns.

The crop I posted has hundreds of small point light sources from
skyscraper windows and light banks and a blazing streetlamp in the
middle. I'm not detecting any black or dark spots in those areas...

Again, I'm not saying it isn't an issue with a camera or cameras--or
that some of the image processing settings may cause issues--but I am
not seeing a significant problem in my MKII.

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I tend to agree with you as on first glance I did not see anything objectionable in your image. After the other posts pointing out what they believe to be the problem it does not look to me like the same issue others have posted.

IMO your camera looks fine and I'd have no problem using it.

Bob

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This black dot issue is mentioned that the 1ds mkIII had this. Do they all have it present or just these 2 models?
How bout the 5D? Did this have black dot issues too?
Maybe i'll pick up the 5D when its prices drop if it don't have black dots.

there are more crazy artifacts in this pic, that you would forget about BD.

looking at the lower left of the picture; there is this pinkish red line that looks artificial, and its going all over the place. Its bordering the bright white sign, then climbing up the pole, going around the signs and its separating the bright light from dark areas! Its around the bottom of the "ONE WAY" sign, but it turns blue on top the sign! I think it even moves to the back ground blue sign. on the bottom right hand sign, between the "YAHOO" and "FINANCIAL" sign, there is some yellow light that this red line is going around it. I'm not even sure if the "YAHOO" sign itself should have any red line around it. Also on the right side there is a blue line that is going around the signs! am I going crazy?

1D3, some got good bodies, some got bad bodies, Canon says there is no problem, head in sand again.

Great.

Dave