-
Welcome to the new forums! Please read this first. For known issues we are working to resolve, click here.
LX3 steals the G10's thunder (?)
- Thread starter Photofreak7
- Start date
Jonavin
Forum Enthusiast
DXO test graph the ISO starting at 100 when the LX3 starts at 80. For the G10 they start the graph at 80 ISO. It also doesn't agree with observed LX3 output.
This leads many to believe that the data is wrong (shifted by one stop). The data also doesn't agree to observed values for the Canon 20/30D.
This leads many to believe that the data is wrong (shifted by one stop). The data also doesn't agree to observed values for the Canon 20/30D.
Jonavin
Forum Enthusiast
Most DSLR when paired with the package lens isn't ideal for indoors either. I'm used to shooting with fast primes on my 40D, so the LX3 is like a nice portable version of this. It's good for no flash hand-held shots.
There are a few quirks with the LX3, but no deal breakers and it excels at what it's designed for, wide angle and good low light performance. It's the first compact that I would not hesitate to use indoors.
There are a few quirks with the LX3, but no deal breakers and it excels at what it's designed for, wide angle and good low light performance. It's the first compact that I would not hesitate to use indoors.
If image quality is the most important thing to you... then just comparing the LX3's 10MP sensor to the G10's smaller pixel-packed 15MP sensor should be enough convincing factor on which camera to choose...
ISO 800 taken with the LX3 (no flash):
Original Size: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ricseet/2930994909/sizes/o/
--
The Current Best P&S Camera:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=29187366
ISO 800 taken with the LX3 (no flash):
Original Size: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ricseet/2930994909/sizes/o/
--
The Current Best P&S Camera:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=29187366
I don't know about the LX3 stealing the G10. I don't really care much for potentially incendiary titles. Really, each tool has it's space to occupy and the low ISO g10 is really remarkable.
That said, I do lots of lower light shooting and went with the LX3. Was so impressed that I added the TZ5. I got a good copy of both. (I've also tried not as good copies of both.) Good solution with some very solid results.
The G10 does feel incredible in hand and the ergonomics just feels much better to me than the LX3 although I can negotiate the LX3 just fine.
I think if low light is important, then the LX3 is hard to beat. If you shoot in good lighting only, then the G10 merits real consideration.
MTMT
That said, I do lots of lower light shooting and went with the LX3. Was so impressed that I added the TZ5. I got a good copy of both. (I've also tried not as good copies of both.) Good solution with some very solid results.
The G10 does feel incredible in hand and the ergonomics just feels much better to me than the LX3 although I can negotiate the LX3 just fine.
I think if low light is important, then the LX3 is hard to beat. If you shoot in good lighting only, then the G10 merits real consideration.
MTMT
mike bustad
Forum Pro
--but I really like this photo and cute kid to bootIf image quality is the most important thing to you... then just
comparing the LX3's 10MP sensor to the G10's smaller pixel-packed
15MP sensor should be enough convincing factor on which camera to
choose...
ISO 800 taken with the LX3 (no flash):
Original Size: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ricseet/2930994909/sizes/o/
--
The Current Best P&S Camera:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=29187366
Tanglefoot47
Tulalip Wa.
dygo1
Leading Member
Keep in mind it's a ISO 800 shot so some noise is bound to appear but for a small sensor camera, that's pretty impressive.
--
Regards,
Daniel
Yes noise... of course... What do you expect from an ISO 800 picture taken with a P&S camera? ;-)
--
The Current Best P&S Camera:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=29187366
--
The Current Best P&S Camera:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=29187366
I guess your nick is true. You're thinking too hard about a camera. Why not just get the S5? It's a 10x zoom that is f2.7-3.5 or so which is a pretty darn fast lens plus it has IS plus the now scare flip-out LCD screen!
And yes it's a larger than average P&S camera, but I"m sure it's smaller than the 2 cameras you're eyeing when they are put back to back.
Bill McClung
Senior Member
Please do not think I am an anti-Canon troll. I have owned MANY Canon non-DSLR cameras and still LOVE my Canon A700. But, I decided to buy the LX3 for a number of reasons ..... not the least of which was the amazing B&W images people were making with the camera.
One of the areas that the LX3 is better than the G10 (at least from the samples I have seen) is making B&W images. The LX3's "dynamic B&W" film setting produces results that mimic the older high-contrast B&W films we used in the pre-digital days (think Kodak Tri-X, etc.). I am still a B&W fanatic (yes, sometimes I actually miss my old Speed Graphic!) and love the images produced by the LX3. Some samples:
One ISO 400:
http://www.pbase.com/nc_bill/image/104034484
Two ISO 800:
http://www.pbase.com/nc_bill/image/104271238
http://www.pbase.com/nc_bill/image/104035654
One ISO 200:
http://www.pbase.com/nc_bill/image/104077245
--
Bill McClung (a.k.a. 'NC BILL')
Image galleries at http://www.pbase.com/nc_bill
'Every other artist begins with a blank canvas, a piece of paper.....the photographer begins with the finished product.' --- Edward Steichen
One of the areas that the LX3 is better than the G10 (at least from the samples I have seen) is making B&W images. The LX3's "dynamic B&W" film setting produces results that mimic the older high-contrast B&W films we used in the pre-digital days (think Kodak Tri-X, etc.). I am still a B&W fanatic (yes, sometimes I actually miss my old Speed Graphic!) and love the images produced by the LX3. Some samples:
One ISO 400:
http://www.pbase.com/nc_bill/image/104034484
Two ISO 800:
http://www.pbase.com/nc_bill/image/104271238
http://www.pbase.com/nc_bill/image/104035654
One ISO 200:
http://www.pbase.com/nc_bill/image/104077245
--
Bill McClung (a.k.a. 'NC BILL')
Image galleries at http://www.pbase.com/nc_bill
'Every other artist begins with a blank canvas, a piece of paper.....the photographer begins with the finished product.' --- Edward Steichen
FredW121970
Forum Enthusiast
Based on the triad of f-stop, iso, and shutter speed in raw or jpeg. Also, IMHO / experience, Panasonic is not "faking" their f-stops and / or shutter speeds to "support" the "lie" of their stated ISOs as alleged by some in the Canon forum.
The questionable DxO tests are taken out of context, based on one component of a system. Everyone just needs to man-up and admit that Panasonic has built a pretty decent camera system in the LX3.
I own more canons that any other brand, but I am just tired of seeing this "forum myth" perpetuated. It is misinforming people who are visiting these forums for objective info.
The G10 is a great cam, but so is the LX3.
Regards, Fred
My equipment list is in my profile
The questionable DxO tests are taken out of context, based on one component of a system. Everyone just needs to man-up and admit that Panasonic has built a pretty decent camera system in the LX3.
I own more canons that any other brand, but I am just tired of seeing this "forum myth" perpetuated. It is misinforming people who are visiting these forums for objective info.
The G10 is a great cam, but so is the LX3.
Regards, Fred
My equipment list is in my profile
the Fisheye lens, the overstated ISO and the lack of zoom range don't
impress me much and don't fool me either, it's a good cam, no doubt
but it falls between two stools for me (between the DP1 idea and the
do-it-all G10)
--
Please ignore the Typos, I'm the world's worst Typist
Roger Nordin
Senior Member
Agreed, there is something very fishy about the DxO mesurements. Just look at the 20D/30D measured ISO - ISO3200 has less than stated sensitivity?! Yeah right, everyone that is right in their mind knows they are more sensitive, closer to ISO4000 as measured by dpreview - and supported by real life shooting side by side with my 40D (vs my 20D). So whatever theoretical context the DxO site figures may have, it doesn't fit into real life shooting.
--
Regards,
Roger
I thought we'd finished the DxO results are wrong thread (on both the Canon & Panny Forums). It has been show that the Panny ISOs are understated (much like the 20D/30D).
I bought the LX3, even though I have or have owned a ton of Canon gear - the concept of the WA/Speed/ISO was too good to miss. Yes Panny correct some of the distortion on the lens in camera, and the correct the CA in Jpg too, but it so what.
The ISO X in LX3 vs G10 seem non-sensical to me when the Panny lens has a speed advantage. I thought the G10 studio shots were amazing. I was not prepared for the realworld shots on page 9, but lets be honest they were still pretty good.
Both cameras will take different types of pictures well (for a P&S) if you shoot only outdoors in good light get the G10 (and downsize for indoors at higher ISO if you can be bothered) or get the LX3, I'm sure that both will take great pictures.
As for the two camera idea - whatever floats your boat - I thought that i'd never buy a P&S again after having two DSLR (400D then 40D), but as you learn more I find that you want something small with you all the time - the best camera is the one that you have with you to take the shot.
I really don't remember any reaction like this before - it's a bit OTT. Yes I would have preferred the G10 to get a better result (I am, and remain a canon shooter), but the LX3 has earned my cash in this round.
Regards
Carl
I bought the LX3, even though I have or have owned a ton of Canon gear - the concept of the WA/Speed/ISO was too good to miss. Yes Panny correct some of the distortion on the lens in camera, and the correct the CA in Jpg too, but it so what.
The ISO X in LX3 vs G10 seem non-sensical to me when the Panny lens has a speed advantage. I thought the G10 studio shots were amazing. I was not prepared for the realworld shots on page 9, but lets be honest they were still pretty good.
Both cameras will take different types of pictures well (for a P&S) if you shoot only outdoors in good light get the G10 (and downsize for indoors at higher ISO if you can be bothered) or get the LX3, I'm sure that both will take great pictures.
As for the two camera idea - whatever floats your boat - I thought that i'd never buy a P&S again after having two DSLR (400D then 40D), but as you learn more I find that you want something small with you all the time - the best camera is the one that you have with you to take the shot.
I really don't remember any reaction like this before - it's a bit OTT. Yes I would have preferred the G10 to get a better result (I am, and remain a canon shooter), but the LX3 has earned my cash in this round.
Regards
Carl
MMuddler
Senior Member
I have given my college fraternity brother some grief about panasonic's noisy sensors and oppressive NR compromising otherwise really super P&S's. He was/is technology director for panny and had lit my fire with the intro of the TZ1. When you going to team up with Fuji for one of their sensors? But I've enjoyed the TZ1 and put the G3 back in the box. Now I still carry the TZ1 "around" when I'm not using the DSLR for wide scenic or long sports. The LX3 looks like a great break-thru for panny and Santa knows to be on the look-out.
--
Marabou Muddler
http://MMuddler.smugmug.com/Sports
--
Marabou Muddler
http://MMuddler.smugmug.com/Sports
Oh, please, just check serious reviews, made by photographers, like luminous landscape and bythom.com
Dpreview is a joke.
Roger Nordin
Senior Member
Sorry, but that is nonsense. The 20D and 30D is more sensitive than indicated my manufacturer, the difference to the 40D is quite noticeable.
Dpreview found the same as well.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos30d/page20.asp
--
Regards,
Roger
Roger Nordin
Senior Member
Did I misread you, did you actually mean that? If so, I apologize.
--
Regards,
Roger
Keyboard shortcuts
- f
- Forum