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I'd like to know what everyone recommends as their favorite photo editing software for PCs that is up to professional grade, taking price into consideration, of course. I've heard that Adobe Photoshop is one of the best, but can be pretty expensive. Are the cheaper versions not up to par? I appreciate any responses.

Tara
 
Greets Tara. Photoshop 7 is the defacto standard for photo editiing software. It has a steep learning curve and is expensive. There are excellent tutorials available .. and you can buy it in the cheap by buying an older version and then "upgrading". They also have a heavily discounted "Student" versioon. I use PS7 for editing, Thumbs+ for pic management and Photo Impact 7 for my webpage pics. Hope this helps.
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
 
I would suggest to try "Picture Window Pro" It is for photo editing and not for graphics. You can dowload and try for 30 days free.The price $100,-
Very good. Steep learning curve, but very good support
Regards
Norman
Greets Tara. Photoshop 7 is the defacto standard for photo
editiing software. It has a steep learning curve and is expensive.
There are excellent tutorials available .. and you can buy it in
the cheap by buying an older version and then "upgrading". They
also have a heavily discounted "Student" versioon. I use PS7 for
editing, Thumbs+ for pic management and Photo Impact 7 for my
webpage pics. Hope this helps.
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
 
2 others to consider:

Photoshop Elements (Photoshop's 'little brother')
Jasc's Paint Shop Pro ( a very feature rich app at a good bit less than PS)
http://www.jasc.com/products/psp/

CS
Greets Tara. Photoshop 7 is the defacto standard for photo
editiing software. It has a steep learning curve and is expensive.
There are excellent tutorials available .. and you can buy it in
the cheap by buying an older version and then "upgrading". They
also have a heavily discounted "Student" versioon. I use PS7 for
editing, Thumbs+ for pic management and Photo Impact 7 for my
webpage pics. Hope this helps.
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
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Hi Tara,

You may have already heard this. For editing I like:

1). For Quick & Dirty -- Picture It 2002

2). For finer work, I like Photoshop Elements (I'm still waiting on a version two of this product). I've added the Applied Science Fiction Digital Sho and Digital ROC plug-ins making the total price about $200.00. There's a Polaroid plug-in floating around for dust removal.

For Printing, I like Qimage. It's a download and worth the bucks.

For maintaining subdirectories and general viewing of photos, I like ACDsee

For distributing albums, FlipAlbum does a great job.

Take Care!
Mike
I'd like to know what everyone recommends as their favorite photo
editing software for PCs that is up to professional grade, taking
price into consideration, of course. I've heard that Adobe
Photoshop is one of the best, but can be pretty expensive. Are the
cheaper versions not up to par? I appreciate any responses.

Tara
 
I'd like to know what everyone recommends as their favorite photo
editing software for PCs that is up to professional grade, taking
price into consideration, of course. I've heard that Adobe
Photoshop is one of the best, but can be pretty expensive. Are the
cheaper versions not up to par? I appreciate any responses.
Photoshop is the hands down winner in the feature comparison, no discussion. The latest version is also pretty easy to use even for a novice, although some understanding of photographic and retouch theory helps a lot.

The Gimp ( http://www.gimp.org ) is the budget winner. As full featured as earlier versions of Photoshop, much more capable than most Photoshop wannabees, and you can't beat the price - it's free. The interface is a bit rough around the edges, especially in the Windows version, but it's very straightforward to use.

I used to use Paintshop Pro a lot for batch processing, back in the Photoshop 3.0x days when Photoshop had no macros. I felt it was very limited by comparison, but quite adequate for doing standard color correction, crop, USM etc., and at a fairly good price.

Corel tried to push their photo editing software as a Photoshop replacement for a while, but that seems to have pretty much fizzled; there is very little support out there for their bitmap software.

I'd recommend an enthusiast who will spend much time working on images to try out Gimp, and if that doesn't work, go Photoshop. Those two are the only really professional level bitmap editing programs I see on the market today. For more casual use, Paintshop Pro or one of the other low cost solutions will be a lot easier to get common tasks done in, at the cost of full control.

Most of the Photoshop tips & tricks that deal with real manipulation (as opposed to "wizard style" tool use) are perfectly useable in Gimp as well, and to a much lesser extent in Paintshop Pro.

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Jesper
 
I most respectfully concur. The "Gimp" is a work in progress ... it's free ... but also has a "learning curve".... if you have the resources PS7 is the way to go...
Warmest Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
 
I have owned several versions of Photoshop starting at 3.0 and ending at 5.5. I suppose I'm an idiot but I've never been able to feel confident with Photoshop or get consistent results. It is just too hard for me. Plus, every year they want another $150 to upgrade. I suppose if you are a graphic professional you can get your money's worth out of it but I gave up.

I now use Paintshop Pro 7.0. It cost $99.00 and I find it easy to use and fast. Plus I get consistent, excellent results.

Bob Kerry
Tucson
 
I have owned several versions of Photoshop starting at 3.0 and
ending at 5.5. I suppose I'm an idiot but I've never been able to
feel confident with Photoshop or get consistent results. It is just
too hard for me. Plus, every year they want another $150 to
upgrade. I suppose if you are a graphic professional you can get
your money's worth out of it but I gave up.
It takes a good grasp of theory in several field to get good mileage out of Photoshop. It's also a help if you know a fair amount about manual photo editing techniques and understand the how's and what's. Since most people don't have - or want - this knowledge, Paintshop Pro or some similar software will make life a lot simpler.

It's not a matter of being stupid or smart, it's a matter of having specialized knowledge. There's a reason Photoshop is the application among graphics artists but has a reputation for being hard to learn among amateurs. It replaces and augments a lot of traditional tools, such as airbrushes and darkroom work, that most people never would have dreamed of bothering with.
I now use Paintshop Pro 7.0. It cost $99.00 and I find it easy to
use and fast. Plus I get consistent, excellent results.
Paintshop Pro has already decided that what you're after is simply touching up photographs. You're not interested in enough rope to hang yourself and most of your family, you just want to get the job done - and for that it's a perfect tool. It's the difference between a full welder's shop and some superglue. Most people would burn the shop down before they managed to get Aunt Hilda's broken lamp back together, but give them some superglue and noone will know the difference.

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Jesper
 
Thank you for all of the suggestions. I did download the gimp and am trying it out, but because of all of it's "uncertainties" and steep learning curve, I will probably resort to purchasing a PS version. I am still taking recommendations into consideration so any feedback is helpful.

Thanks, Tara
 
Corel tried to push their photo editing software as a Photoshop
replacement for a while, but that seems to have pretty much
fizzled; there is very little support out there for their bitmap
software.

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Jesper
I think you're being unfair with CorelPhoto Paint. I've used Both Corel's Product and Photoshop for a number of years, and I still prefer Corel.

Corel has more import/export filters, a preview of JPEG compression, can use the same plug-ins offered to Photoshop, has a more comfortable interface, and saves it's multilayed working files with a very good compression. Corel's product support is very good, superior to Adobe.

Ideally, it's nice to have both. I don't know the current prices, but I'm sure the CorelDraw and Corel Photo Paint is a very good bargain. And I have no trouble finding vendors that will make color separation film, Dye subs, Fujix prints, etc. So there is support for that application. Plus Corel can save it's files as Adobe PDF.
 
Hi Tara,

I agree with Bob that Jasc's Paintshop Pro is best if you don't know a lot about photo editing. I use Painshop Pro 7 and love it. It has most of the same things Adobe Photoshop 7 has but is MUCH easier to use. I downloaded a demo of Photoshop 6 and it was SO user unfriendly if you are a novice such as myself. I have had Paintshop Pro for a couple of months and really enjoy working in it. Fortunately, I have a great Kodak DC4800 that requires little or no retouching, so I use the program for fun things mostly.
Good Luck!

Sheila T
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http://www.pbase.com/stulloch
pbase supporter
 
Tara,

Before you make that mistake go to http://www.dl-c.com and download

the FREE trial software of the PRO version. This is the ONLY and I repeat THE ONLY photographic imaging software developed by a photographer for
photographic editing. ALL the rest do all kinds of "neat" things but only
this one was designed 100% for photography.

Photoshop's primary target audience is graphic artists and illustrators who create commercial print advertising. This software (not photoshop) is designed for the photographer who wants high quality prints.

jb
Thank you for all of the suggestions. I did download the gimp and
am trying it out, but because of all of it's "uncertainties" and
steep learning curve, I will probably resort to purchasing a PS
version. I am still taking recommendations into consideration so
any feedback is helpful.

Thanks, Tara
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Johnny
Austin, Republic of Texas
http://pbase.com/johnnycb
 
why? because i got it for free.......(gift) and even though i like it, i still like Photoshop 6.

just read a review about the PS7 and i think for the small difference, i'll stick with PS6.
:-)
Hi Tara,

I agree with Bob that Jasc's Paintshop Pro is best if you don't
know a lot about photo editing. I use Painshop Pro 7 and love it.
It has most of the same things Adobe Photoshop 7 has but is MUCH
easier to use. I downloaded a demo of Photoshop 6 and it was SO
user unfriendly if you are a novice such as myself. I have had
Paintshop Pro for a couple of months and really enjoy working in
it. Fortunately, I have a great Kodak DC4800 that requires little
or no retouching, so I use the program for fun things mostly.
Good Luck!

Sheila T
--
http://www.pbase.com/stulloch
pbase supporter
 
I think you're being unfair with CorelPhoto Paint. I've used Both
Corel's Product and Photoshop for a number of years, and I still
prefer Corel.
I don't mean to knock the product, or Corel's effort, I used Corel Draw or many years and tried their bitmap software as well. But when I look at books on photo retouching, advanced digital darkroom techniques, anything beyond "basic howto", there is nothing for any software except Photoshop. Certainly nothing for Corel.

Even classroom courses focus more or less exclusively on Photoshop. It's the de-facto standard. However, Corel and Gimp give them a good run for the money, which is good - it means they work to stay on top, which is good for everybody.

And I agree that having - and using - several programs is better. They all have strengths in different areas. Back when I was in a Photoshop shop I used Paintshop Pro for batch work and simply touch-ups.

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Jesper
 
Before you make that mistake go to http://www.dl-c.com and download
the FREE trial software of the PRO version. This is the ONLY and I
repeat THE ONLY photographic imaging software developed by a
photographer for
photographic editing. ALL the rest do all kinds of "neat" things
but only
this one was designed 100% for photography.
That sounds like a limitation to me. Photographic editing involves many different areas of expertise, and software like Photoshop draws from all of them.

I took a look at the page, and the features listed lack a lot of basic staples in modern graphic editing, such as a simple thing like layers.

In addition, what kind of documentation (books, courses etc.) are available for using this software for advanced tasks?
Photoshop's primary target audience is graphic artists and
illustrators who create commercial print advertising. This software
(not photoshop) is designed for the photographer who wants high
quality prints.
By catering to this group, Photoshop automatically includes a lot of other user groups as well. Anyone who wants excellent quality and high flexibility should definitely look at Photoshop.

Not to knock the software you linked to - it does look like it's very useful for someone who is a photographer and only uses software to touch up and finalize pictures - but for serious work a lot more is needed.

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Jesper
 
Before you make that mistake go to http://www.dl-c.com and download
the FREE trial software of the PRO version. This is the ONLY and I
repeat THE ONLY photographic imaging software developed by a
photographer for
photographic editing. ALL the rest do all kinds of "neat" things
but only
this one was designed 100% for photography.
That sounds like a limitation to me. Photographic editing involves
many different areas of expertise, and software like Photoshop
draws from all of them.
It's only a limitation IF you want to be a graphic designer BUT, IF photography is what you are doing and after all this is a photography based website then this software is excellent.
In addition, what kind of documentation (books, courses etc.) are
available for using this software for advanced tasks?
If you just click on the "Documents" link you would have found all the information one needs. In pdf file format.
Photoshop's primary target audience is graphic artists and
illustrators who create commercial print advertising. This software
(not photoshop) is designed for the photographer who wants high
quality prints.
By catering to this group, Photoshop automatically includes a lot
of other user groups as well. Anyone who wants excellent quality
and high flexibility should definitely look at Photoshop.
Once again, this is a photography based website. Why would I want a bunch of useless things that PS has within it. As a photographer I would never use them. Thus, it would (was) be a waste of money.
Not to knock the software you linked to - it does look like it's
very useful for someone who is a photographer and only uses
software to touch up and finalize pictures - but for serious work a
lot more is needed.
Serious work, of course you mean graphics.

jb
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Jesper
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Johnny
Austin, Republic of Texas
http://pbase.com/johnnycb
 
It's only a limitation IF you want to be a graphic designer BUT, IF
photography is what you are doing and after all this is a
photography based website then this software is excellent.
I agree there. If some other piece of software does all you need, why go somewhere else.
In addition, what kind of documentation (books, courses etc.) are
available for using this software for advanced tasks?
If you just click on the "Documents" link you would have found all
the information one needs. In pdf file format.
I mean documentation on advanced photo reparation techniques, selective enhancement using levels, filters etc., as well as photo montage and realistic manipulation.
Once again, this is a photography based website. Why would I want a
bunch of useless things that PS has within it. As a photographer I
would never use them. Thus, it would (was) be a waste of money.
I'm a photographer as well, and I couldn't do what I do without Photoshop level software. I use Gimp because Photoshop is not available for my platform of choice, but I do feel its limitations at times. I would use Photoshop if I could.

An example:

http://www.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=125758
Not to knock the software you linked to - it does look like it's
very useful for someone who is a photographer and only uses
software to touch up and finalize pictures - but for serious work a
lot more is needed.
Serious work, of course you mean graphics.
No. I mean serious manipulation of photographs. For graphics you need more tools, such as DTP and vector graphics software. Photoshop is designed for bitmapped images, especially photographs, and does the job eminently.

But as I said, if your emphasis is on taking the photograph and the software is only used for basic touch up (a necessary evil, if you will), then Photoshop is definitely overkill.

If you want to get into serious post-processing and digital darkroom work, then nothing can hold a candle to Photoshop. Not graphical design or art, just photo processing. That's what Photoshop does best.

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Jesper
 
yes PS is more complex then the normal but its that way because it offers so much that you can do , not to mention the thousands of plug ins offerred for it. and you can do most anything under the sun with it including fake phots for the newspapers (not joking i know nad have seen it done)

another thing to think about is the hardware requirements for PS. it requires alotof ram and video power to use, and the reccomended requirements are not quite there , for it work decently you need around a 32 mb video card (you can get a way with a 16 especially if your running it off a laptop(like my mobile unit is) but make sure that your motherboard is maxxed on ram or you will hear you hardrive grind its self to death. on a pc min of 320 mb ram (1 x 256mb, and 1 x64 mb) , also reccomendation of getting a 40+ GB harddrive because if you do alot of pics its gonna take alot of space (ie on my desktop rig, i have 3 120GB drives in it (Special case to hold that many drives in it (partitioned into 10 GB chunks )), and im over 50% full , but thats because i go websites,graphics and video on it but im a different then the average user because of the work i do (justdont ask what i have spent on my desktop units, because they are loaded)

sorry for tooting my horn , but finally if you have the money get ps because its worth it , but if your looking for a break on it and need/want some other adobe software get one of the collections,because they are a good price compared to them individually, and if your a student in collage you can get a better deal at about 1/2 off the price (so take a night class even if its just for the discoutn (heck even most community colleges offer a class in PS for not very much and without any prequistes)
 
Even classroom courses focus more or less exclusively on Photoshop.
It's the de-facto standard. However, Corel and Gimp give them a
good run for the money, which is good - it means they work to stay
on top, which is good for everybody.
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Jesper
I feel the are two reasons for Photoshop being featured in digital photography classes. One is Adobes' marketing. Perhaps they offer better incentives for schools to offer Photoshop. Two, teachers don't have the time to learn and then teach two different applications.

Simply to say that the most popular application is the standard bearer for the industry is like saying McDonald's hold the standard for burgers and fries.

If I had to only one between all the others, I would still choose Corel, simply because of the greater range of import/export filters. I also got tired of 90megabyte .PSD files.
 

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