I'll say it. DPreview needs to pull and redo the 50D review

Richard · Nov 3, 2008

Calling me names will not change the fact that DPReview had done a good job with the review and that the 50d is only a mild warm over of the 40d. But it does make you look like a fan boy.

If me agreeing with reivew and stating my opinon that they were not hard enough with Canon producing such a mild warm over makes me a troll then so be it. But the emotionalism of calling me names shows your true colors. If you can prove that the 50d is completely a huge upgrade over the 40d and that the DPreview review is flawed or even trying to discredit this camera in some huge way then I will change my position but at this point IMHO, Dpreivew was not hard enough on the camera and with all the "DPreview is baised towards Nikon and against Canon" I disagree with this stance. Facts are facts and Dpreviews gives commentary to the observations they make which is their opinion, then invite the reader to draw their own conclusion, this is a fair way to do a review.

rjjr said:
Richard said:

This camera is a warm over of the 40d, Does not deserve the title of
highly recommended. Phils undeserved highly recommended will cause
people to buy this warm over and Canon will think it can rest on it's
laurels and produce tiny incremental improvements to this old body
with only a slight increase in megapixs. Sorry Phil has no spine to
tell Canon that if they produce a camera that shows no inovation,
little improvement in IQ, no additional buttons to improve user
experience then it will get a luke warm recommendation. Fortunatly
Phil does include images so you can draw your own conclusion and I
think everyone agrees, this camera is barely improved over the 40d
and that anyone upgrading from a 40d should not buy this camera.

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Richard · Nov 3, 2008

They are pretty close and the 50d is at best a warm over of the 40d with little improvement.

Dpreviews review shows this as well, but the fanboys cannot accept the fact it is not much of an upgrade and produce no facts or data to show otherwise, so they discredit Dpreviews test. That is emotional fanboyism (is that a word?) so lets make DPreveiw do another test to prove the 50d is clearly a huge improvement over the previous model. Then I would truly question their testing methods. But it won't happen because as more people post examples of the two cameras, as more reviews are produced, they will prove the DPreview right. And what I can see so far, we are seeing little improvement over the previous model. Blame Canon for this, not the reviewers.

KALEL33 said:
Peter G said:

On the left you say is the 50d. The left side has more noise than the
right. You see otherwise? Perhaps you are confusing left and right.
Maybe you should label them?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/2989587869_a5014c26b2_o.jpg
I see left side noisier. You see the right side noisier?

Olga did a similar quad exect the camera were top and bottom. So no
one can mix that up. This time bottom is 50d and again in both cases
I seem more noise on the bottom. You see different?

http://yiayia.zenfolio.com/img/v4/p192852259.jpg
I see bottom noisier. You see the top noisier?

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I think this is more emotional than objective. I would have loved
for someone, early on, to have posted some 100% crops using DPP and
labeled them wrong on purpose. I bet the same answers would have
came out for the 50D side and from the 40D side. Meaning the 50D
people would still say the 50D crop(which was actually a 40D crop)
was better.

Richard · Nov 3, 2008

Are you saying this statement a huge contribution "I'll say it. DPreview needs to pull and redo the 50D review" then he produces images that only prove DPrevew is right. Ok, that is your opinion. But "I'll say it. This is a fanboy troll post.

Now I feel better. LOL

Draw your own conclusions, buy the camera if you want. Believe it is huge improvement over the previous version if you want. As long as you are happy ,great. But don't try to poison people against DPreview saying they are biased towards Nikon and that their tests are completely flawed and their opinions are a result of years of Nikon bias.

Jerry-astro said:
Jerry-astro said:

...and his love of the word "fanboy" in lots of his other posts is
horribly reminiscent of our old friend natureman. Coincidence?

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Absolutely. They're both the very worst sort of "contributors" here.
No value add, no personal experience with the cameras they like to
trash, and they resort to calling anyone who disagrees with them
"fanboys." Little wonder that many folks who would otherwise look at
DPR as a great place to get information are disenchanted with the
never ending stream of trolling posts -- the one above being a great
example.

\end rant

J.

acfpt · Nov 3, 2008

Can anyone think of a DSLR within the last 12-18 months that WASN'T "Highly Recommended" with or without qualification (just, barely, if you use RAW, etc.)? I've seemed to notice that it is almost like DSLR's get a "Highly Recommended" just for being DSLR's.

Just my non-scientific, Adobe ACR Beta-release observations.

Adam

eclipsevv · Nov 3, 2008

KALEL33 said:
KALEL33 said:

KALEL33 said:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/2989587869_a5014c26b2_o.jpg

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I see left side noisier. You see the right side noisier?

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This can actually be objective, more than subjective; just try to crop the 40D and 50D samples and study the red channel histogram: you'll see the 50D samples are a lot larger, and thus noisier!

The 50D is certainly an excellent camera, but DPreview is right on the mark: what happened years ago for the compact cameras is now impacting DSLRs: we have definitely crossed the line with 50D, every increase in megapixel is going to produce worse cameras!!

The "megapixel race" has to end... NOW!!

jrynash · Nov 3, 2008

eclipsevv said:
eclipsevv said:

eclipsevv said:

eclipsevv said:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/2989587869_a5014c26b2_o.jpg

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I see left side noisier. You see the right side noisier?

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

This can actually be objective, more than subjective; just try to
crop the 40D and 50D samples and study the red channel histogram:
you'll see the 50D samples are a lot larger, and thus noisier!

The 50D is certainly an excellent camera, but DPreview is right on
the mark: what happened years ago for the compact cameras is now
impacting DSLRs: we have definitely crossed the line with 50D, every
increase in megapixel is going to produce worse cameras!!

The 50D has a 50% increase in pixels over the 40D. I own both 40D and 50D. There's is no way, to my eyes that (even if the 50D is marginally noisier) that this increase in noise is a big deal to me considering the huge increase in pixels and the benefits that increase in pixel count provides. It's a completely insignificant difference:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/2990243325_f7b9ba01c2_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3016/2991518093_fef98e10e6_o.jpg

The 50D has 50% more pixels and it's absolutely NOT a worse camera. On the contrary, when I look and use my 40D and 50D, I can say without a doubt that the 50D is by far the better camera:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=29804735
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=29890607

and the 50D provides more detail than the 40D.

eclipsevv said:
The "megapixel race" has to end... NOW!!

If they can give me more megapixels in a better camera. I say great.

Jerry-astro · Nov 3, 2008

There are plenty of people here who like to say controversial things -- it was your posting I was commenting on. You whine about name calling, yet it seems to be a common thread in almost all of your posts. What's more, like many others, you have ZERO experience with this camera. You read a review and look at a few posts and it makes you an instant expert. Then, you scatter messages all over calling people who perhaps think differently "fanboys". That's trolling in my book. I would trust the opinion of long time posters who actually own this camera and have gone to the trouble of putting it through its paces over that sort of ranting any day of the week.

Ah... now I feel better.

J.

Richard said:
Now I feel better. LOL

Draw your own conclusions, buy the camera if you want. Believe it is
huge improvement over the previous version if you want. As long as
you are happy ,great. But don't try to poison people against DPreview
saying they are biased towards Nikon and that their tests are
completely flawed and their opinions are a result of years of Nikon
bias.

Jerry-astro said:

Richard said:

...and his love of the word "fanboy" in lots of his other posts is
horribly reminiscent of our old friend natureman. Coincidence?

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Absolutely. They're both the very worst sort of "contributors" here.
No value add, no personal experience with the cameras they like to
trash, and they resort to calling anyone who disagrees with them
"fanboys." Little wonder that many folks who would otherwise look at
DPR as a great place to get information are disenchanted with the
never ending stream of trolling posts -- the one above being a great
example.

\end rant

J.

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Erik Johansen · Nov 3, 2008

....more like the the way you don´t like........

Why you don´t like 50D are not easy to understand.
AFA I know; you don´t have one.......

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A picture a day, keep ageing away.

Erik Johansen · Nov 3, 2008

And the Q to the desission have never been answered.

Like a lot of answers in this forum?
Phil A has bees quiet for nearly a week now.........

When the going gets tough............ it´s always difficult to make a serious post with the trousers down.
Ask me, I know.....
Erik
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A picture a day, keep ageing away.

KALEL33 · Nov 3, 2008

Erik Johansen said:
And the Q to the desission have never been answered.

Like a lot of answers in this forum?
Phil A has bees quiet for nearly a week now.........

When the going gets tough............ it´s always difficult to make a
serious post with the trousers down.
Ask me, I know.....
Erik

Why would he have to when the reviews are slowly starting to trickle out and back up DPR's positiion.

http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Canon-EOS-50D-Digital-Camera-Review-19359/Overall-Impressions.htm

rwbaron · Nov 3, 2008

KALEL33 said:
Erik Johansen said:

And the Q to the desission have never been answered.

Like a lot of answers in this forum?
Phil A has bees quiet for nearly a week now.........

When the going gets tough............ it´s always difficult to make a
serious post with the trousers down.
Ask me, I know.....
Erik

Click to expand...

Why would he have to when the reviews are slowly starting to trickle
out and back up DPR's positiion.

http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Canon-EOS-50D-Digital-Camera-Review-19359/Overall-Impressions.htm

If you want to base your buying decision on reviews that's your choice. I prefer to use my own experience and tests which are better suited for my style and type of photography and the way in which I shoot and process files. In comparing the 40D and 50D under identical conditions shooting with the same lens and using DPP to process RAW files there is no way I would take the 40D over the 50D. If you prefer to believe the reviews and not do the test yourself then you're the one missing out on a great camera.

Bob

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http://www.pbase.com/rwbaron
My PBASE page is new and growing so please be patient.

Erik Johansen · Nov 3, 2008

KALEL33 said:
Erik Johansen said:

And the Q to the desission have never been answered.

Like a lot of answers in this forum?
Phil A has bees quiet for nearly a week now.........

When the going gets tough............ it´s always difficult to make a
serious post with the trousers down.
Ask me, I know.....
Erik

Click to expand...

Why would he have to when the reviews are slowly starting to trickle
out and back up DPR's positiion.

http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Canon-EOS-50D-Digital-Camera-Review-19359/Overall-Impressions.htm

Phil.A. is not a novice, but may be he´s wrong this time.
When posters yell as ManU-fans; SirAlex sit still....

Phil A is definatety not Sir Alex. DPR will meet other teems, result will show.
Phil A. Has met users who know, critisims are huge.

I don´t believe he can sit still any longer.........
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A picture a day, keep ageing away.

Erik Johansen · Nov 3, 2008

rwbaron said:
KALEL33 said:

Erik Johansen said:

And the Q to the desission have never been answered.

Like a lot of answers in this forum?
Phil A has bees quiet for nearly a week now.........

When the going gets tough............ it´s always difficult to make a
serious post with the trousers down.
Ask me, I know.....
Erik

Click to expand...

Why would he have to when the reviews are slowly starting to trickle
out and back up DPR's positiion.

http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Canon-EOS-50D-Digital-Camera-Review-19359/Overall-Impressions.htm

Click to expand...

If you want to base your buying decision on reviews that's your
choice. I prefer to use my own experience and tests which are better
suited for my style and type of photography and the way in which I
shoot and process files. In comparing the 40D and 50D under
identical conditions shooting with the same lens and using DPP to
process RAW files there is no way I would take the 40D over the 50D.
If you prefer to believe the reviews and not do the test yourself
then you're the one missing out on a great camera.

Bob

--
http://www.pbase.com/rwbaron
My PBASE page is new and growing so please be patient.

No,no,no. Bought in front of the review. Still happy.
Do you have an 50D, Bob?

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A picture a day, keep ageing away.

pavi1 · Nov 3, 2008

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Everything happens for a reason. #1 reason: poor planning

Erik Johansen · Nov 3, 2008

pavi1 said:
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Everything happens for a reason. #1 reason: poor planning

I´m shure he´s happy now....M;-)

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A picture a day, keep ageing away.

samhain · Nov 3, 2008

The review doesn't mean the 50d is a bad camera, it just means the pentax k20d, nikon d300 & 40d are better cameras for less money

bronxbombers · Nov 3, 2008

i think it might be

and 200% crop form that 100% crop:

but for some reason the DPR shots look softer.

fotography said:
Taikonaut said:

and he uses the EF 85mm 1.8 lens to take advantage of the higher MP.

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That's my question. Is the 50mm 1.4 up to the task of the 15mp sensor?

fotography said:

Joinson was not involved in the 50D review however.

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I don't believe I said otherwise.

rwbaron · Nov 3, 2008

Erik Johansen said:
rwbaron said:

KALEL33 said:

Erik Johansen said:

And the Q to the desission have never been answered.

Like a lot of answers in this forum?
Phil A has bees quiet for nearly a week now.........

When the going gets tough............ it´s always difficult to make a
serious post with the trousers down.
Ask me, I know.....
Erik

Click to expand...

Why would he have to when the reviews are slowly starting to trickle
out and back up DPR's positiion.

http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Canon-EOS-50D-Digital-Camera-Review-19359/Overall-Impressions.htm

Click to expand...

If you want to base your buying decision on reviews that's your
choice. I prefer to use my own experience and tests which are better
suited for my style and type of photography and the way in which I
shoot and process files. In comparing the 40D and 50D under
identical conditions shooting with the same lens and using DPP to
process RAW files there is no way I would take the 40D over the 50D.
If you prefer to believe the reviews and not do the test yourself
then you're the one missing out on a great camera.

Bob

--
http://www.pbase.com/rwbaron
My PBASE page is new and growing so please be patient.

Click to expand...

No,no,no. Bought in front of the review. Still happy.
Do you have an 50D, Bob?

Yes and I love it. My 40D will now be used only as backup and yes, I also bought my 50D before the review and tested it extensively against my 40D while I could still return it if necessary.

The overall IQ is noticeably better than the 40D but others who never tried one will not understand. They'll blindly believe DPR's review and deprive themselves of a great camera. So be it, it's their loss. This ACR4.6 thing is a joke but people refuse to see it. Like testing a BMW M3 using regular gas and stating it's not a good as it should be. Well no sh!t!

BTW I was not responding to your post but the person who posted the link to another so-called review that supposedly agreed with DPR's conclusions.

Bob
--
http://www.pbase.com/rwbaron
My PBASE page is new and growing so please be patient.

Erik Johansen · Nov 3, 2008

Quite right.
The poor devil who´s just lost the house, should buy the camera next to none.

Have anyone been willing to see that 50D cost equal to 40D, as new?

It´s impossible to compare prices; opne year or or second hand, with a new camera.
My 50D is 1 month old, worth Euro 900, my 40D is 9 month old worth Euro 700.

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A picture a day, keep ageing away.

jrynash · Nov 3, 2008

I've had 40D for 13 months and 50D for 1 month. I've compared both, carefully. When combining features, performance and IQ, my 50D is a better camera than my 40D.

I'll say it. DPreview needs to pull and redo the 50D review

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